18:03:07 <Phoul> #startmeeting
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18:03:21 <anadahz> yay!
18:03:22 <Phoul> Alright, so to start lets give updates. Would anyone like to go first?
18:03:30 <Samdney> I can
18:03:54 <Samdney> I work on some mirror site stuff
18:04:05 <Samdney> See ticket #22150
18:04:31 <Samdney> I updated our mirror site
18:04:48 <Samdney> Wrote some "thank you" mails on the mirror mailing list :)
18:05:25 <Samdney> Next week(s) will work on the perl scrip which update our mirror site
18:05:29 <Samdney> that's it
18:05:46 <Phoul> Awesome! Thank you Samdney, glad the mirror stuff is getting done! Who would like to go next?
18:06:31 <ilv> Samdney: so is the mirror list updated now?
18:06:45 <Samdney> I think so.
18:07:09 <Samdney> I saw arma2 did an additional run this day.
18:07:28 <Samdney> But will check this ;)
18:07:33 <ilv> alright
18:07:59 <ilv> some time ago i did some sort of api for gettor, which included a list of mirrors as well
18:08:03 <ilv> https://gettor.torproject.org/api/mirrors.json
18:08:10 <ilv> we should keep synced too
18:08:17 <ilv> i don0t think it is right now
18:08:23 <ilv> don't*
18:08:33 <ilv> in case anyone uses it :P
18:08:58 <anadahz> Is this (https://gitweb.torproject.org/project/web/webwml.git) the cannonical git repository of torproject.org website?
18:09:39 <Phoul> anadahz: yes
18:09:48 <Phoul> Is that it for mirrors?
18:10:08 <anadahz> OK then it seems that the mirrors have been updated 15 hours ago: https://gitweb.torproject.org/project/web/webwml.git/commit/?id=36543fbc0d788679b20739087c9a9738d310ae74
18:10:21 <Samdney> You mean https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/mirrors ?
18:10:47 <anadahz> Not sure when or how the deployement is trigered
18:11:01 <anadahz> Phoul: Samdney yes!
18:11:24 <Phoul> I think we can move on for now, who would like to give the next update?
18:11:26 <Samdney> that's part of webwml :)
18:11:42 <ilv> alright i can go next
18:12:13 <anadahz> Samdney: Exactly and it's the source of the website.
18:12:30 <Samdney> anadahz: yes
18:12:51 <ilv> - I gave one talk about tor relays and participated in the tor meetup (with anadahz) at cryptorave, brazil
18:12:57 <ilv> there were lots of people interested in tor, some of them relay operators. notes about that here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2017SaoPauloMeetup
18:13:12 <ilv> some of the people present at the meetup are now in the tor-south channel and in the mailing list :)
18:13:26 <Phoul> Awesome!
18:14:03 <ilv> interestingly, there was another tor meetup a couple of days later in garoa hacker club to continue the conversation started at cryptorave (i wasn't there though, i guess anadahz can give more updates on that)
18:14:27 <ilv> (garoa hacker club in sao paulo)
18:15:00 <ilv> - otf people sent some questions to derechos digitales before making a decision about the tor campaign, we sent the replies yesterday. i hope this to be the final exchange of emails before a resolution
18:15:18 <ilv> - thanks to alison i started to talk with people from noisetor interested in relays in latin america. all very preliminar so far
18:15:28 <ilv> - and today there is a discussion about tor and anonymity in universidad autonoma de mexico. one of my colleagues will be there. i'm excited about the results of that discussion!
18:16:16 <ilv> that's it
18:16:40 <anadahz> - organized a Tor gathering at Garoa hacker club (https://garoa.net.br/wiki/Bate_papo_sobre_tor) that moved to a nearby bar due to the number of people. Garoa hacker club is not that big.
18:16:42 <Phoul> ilv: Thank you! Sounds like cryptorave was a success, thanks for doing all of that!
18:17:27 <ilv> Phoul: yes! :)
18:18:15 <Phoul> anadahz: didnt mean to interrupt, go ahead :)
18:18:44 <anadahz> - catch up with a number of people after the CryptoRave and initiated "spikes" for people to host relays at the Brazilian universities. Some people started already arrange to deploy relays in Brasilia and Bahia
18:19:19 <asn> coool :]
18:19:23 <ilv> great! :D
18:19:34 <Phoul> Yay!
18:19:38 <anadahz> - participate to some ad-hoc presentations, open questions about Tor in different places in Sao Paulo
18:20:49 <anadahz> - spoke today with the administrator in a university at Teresina, PI (Brazil) to host a/some relays and offered to do a presenation, it seems that the people are OK with hosting relays, tomorrow they will grant me access to a VM here.
18:21:03 <anadahz> *here: Teresina's university
18:22:11 <anadahz> - I handed some OrangePis to people that can perhaps make them usable Tor relays and find out (benchmark) if they perform adequate enough (in term of network throughput).
18:23:42 <anadahz> - Gave an OONI talk at Cryptorave (https://ooni.torproject.org/post/ooni-cryptorave-2017/) and together with the CodingRights run a test-lists workshop for LATAM.
18:23:42 <Phoul> Curious to hear the results of that. Not familiar with the orangepi.
18:24:27 <anadahz> Phoul: OrangePi costs 3-4 times less than a Raspberry Pi and can be shipped worldwide (via aliexpress).
18:24:53 <Samdney> and technically differences?
18:24:57 <Phoul> Hopefully a spec bump comes with the price? (compared to rpi)
18:25:09 <Samdney> big differences?
18:25:11 <anadahz> Not really
18:26:06 <anadahz> the one that I have tested OrangePi zero has similar CPU specs but 512M ram (instead of the 1G in RasPi)
18:26:07 <Phoul> Oh, I read that backwards (higher price than rpi, not less, oops).
18:26:40 <Phoul> Makes sense now, sorry about that.
18:27:12 <Phoul> anadahz: anything else? :)
18:27:16 <anadahz> EOF
18:27:32 <ilv> awesome, thanks for all the work anadahz
18:27:38 <Samdney> +1
18:27:41 <Phoul> Yes, thank you!
18:27:46 <anadahz> ilv: thank you too!
18:27:59 <Phoul> Is there anyone else who would like to give an update? If not, I will go.
18:29:09 <Phoul> Alright, I will go :)
18:30:15 <anadahz> ilv: please update the events (or I can do it) when you have any notes/material from the event in Mexico - https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/CommunityTeam/Projects/GlobalSouth#Events
18:30:38 <ilv> yes, i will!
18:30:40 <Phoul> For the support portal, a number of answers have gone up over the last couple weeks. The operator document has started to be filled in as well. Alison has been reviewing answers as they go up, and Roger has been providing feedback as well. Samdney also provided some edits for the portal. We are still meeting every monday with the UX team to discuss this, if you'd like to be involved in those meetings le
18:30:46 <Phoul> t me know (they happy on jitsi meet).
18:32:02 <Phoul> I've also been working on cleaning up Transifex again, as we have some dead teams / languages that have no translators.
18:32:27 <ilv> Phoul: sorry for not helping with the operator stuff as i said i would :(
18:32:41 <Phoul> ilv: No worries :) its not finished!
18:32:56 <Samdney> still a lot of work!
18:34:10 <anadahz> ilv: thx!
18:34:23 <anadahz> What is the operator document?
18:34:43 <Phoul> https://gitweb.torproject.org/support-portal.git/tree/plain/operator.txt
18:35:01 <Phoul> We are working on raw information for the support portal currently. That is the document that houses the operator questions.
18:35:16 <Phoul> Linda / others are working on the website itself.
18:35:31 <Samdney> Btw, on one of my mirror site tickets, I posed the question if we would also need a section about "running a mirror" on the support portal
18:35:47 <Phoul> Samdney: its already on the operator doc :)
18:35:58 <Samdney> ah, great
18:36:00 <anadahz> How one can contribute to the operator doc?
18:36:12 <Phoul> The easiest way is to send me edits
18:36:15 <Phoul> colin@tpo
18:37:11 <anadahz> any specific format/patch preference (like a git patch?) ?
18:37:31 <Phoul> git patch would be awesome. People have just been sending plain text edits, which is also fine.
18:37:38 <Phoul> But git patch would be great :)
18:38:34 <anadahz> Is this page (the operator doc) currently hosted somewhere?
18:38:43 <anadahz> (apart for the git repo)
18:38:52 <Phoul> No, this repo is content that will be hosted on the support portal once it exists.
18:38:57 <Phoul> It does not exist yet
18:39:22 <Phoul> There should be something more tangible soon.
18:40:39 <anadahz> is there any more feedback or material that was collected from various sources or just this: https://gitweb.torproject.org/support-portal.git/tree/plain/operator.txt ?
18:41:39 <Phoul> Those questions were pulled from what we get asked at the help desk, and questions ive seen asked as an exit operator. However, if you see things missing, by all means send edits and I will add them. I'm sure its missing things.
18:42:55 <Phoul> For material, we have the docs that already exist on the tor pages. But thats all. I have CentOS/Fedora versions of the debian answers mostly written, just need to test to make sure I didnt do something wrong there (im not a huge centos user).
18:43:42 <Phoul> Anyways, that was all for my update.
18:44:02 <Phoul> Was there anyone else who wanted to go?
18:44:27 <anadahz> re: Tor relays I suggest this ansible (automation deployment) playbook: https://github.com/nusenu/ansible-relayor
18:45:12 <ilv> anadahz: i recall you said that there were some intent to translate that?
18:45:21 <anadahz> I can add a short how-to in the doc in order to setup Tor relays fast and "secure".
18:45:50 <Phoul> anadahz: There are a bunch of potential options if we are willing to suggest third party tools like that (salt, a shell version, etc..). We have not yet decided if we are including tools like this though, I actually sent an email to Alison about this yesterday.
18:46:11 <anadahz> ilv: Indeed, perhaps we should ask nusenu what will be the best way to submit translations.
18:46:42 <anadahz> ilv: But meanwhile a version in Portonol should be created. :)
18:47:04 <ilv> agree. and i think the short how-to will be helpful in any case
18:48:05 <anadahz> I guess it makes sense to decide on an automation way, I just find the ansible to be the fastest (famous last words) and more convenient that I can suggest to people.
18:48:54 <Phoul> anadahz: Currently I think its more about deciding on if we want to suggest people use tools / configuration scripts that the Tor Project doesnt maintain. But yeah, if we decide to go forward there, we would need to pick which options we offered / suggested.
18:50:42 <anadahz> Today there were several relays (including guard nodes) seized in France - (as posted by Lunar) https://www.nextinpact.com/news/104302-wannacrypt-nuds-tor-saisis-par-autorites-francaises.htm
18:51:20 <anadahz> Perhaps it makes sense to write something about it and preferably offer support in some possible ways?
18:52:13 <Phoul> If someone who understand the situation well wanted to write something, I think that would be a good thing. But maybe arma2 or someone would like to weigh in on that.
18:52:17 <anadahz> ..also more than a month ago Dmitry Bogatov was arrested with charges of extremism (https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170417) in Russia.
18:53:00 <Samdney> This topics are difficult, since we are not lawyers ;)
18:53:05 <Phoul> Since I don't think anyone else wanted to give a report, are people OK with calling this meeting closed? (Can continue to discuss things after, just dont want to keep people who might need to go do other things)
18:53:14 <Phoul> we are approaching the hour mark
18:53:25 <ilv> that sounds good
18:53:29 <Samdney> ok
18:53:49 <Phoul> #endmeeting