13:02:46 <hiro> #startmeeting Network Health 2026-11-02
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13:02:56 <hiro> #link https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-nethealthteam-2026-keep
13:04:01 <GeKo> i guess i can start?
13:04:09 <hiro> ok GeKo (IRC) it's just me and you I think..
13:04:22 <GeKo> so, last week was a bit shorter than usual but intense nevertheless
13:04:30 <GeKo> ah, okay, that's fine
13:04:31 <hiro> Juga mentioned they were solving some paper work issue...
13:04:41 <hiro> so please go ahead
13:04:59 <GeKo> alright. apart from the bad-relay stuff i worked on two things
13:05:17 <GeKo> the report for p183 is mostly done from my pov
13:05:38 <GeKo> i need to fix small things and fine-tune it a bit but the the meat should be there
13:05:49 <hiro> nice! thanks!
13:06:00 <GeKo> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/team/-/work_items/424#note_3482075
13:06:05 <GeKo> is the relevant commit
13:06:32 <GeKo> hiro: you could look over it as i guess we'll talk about it with gabaaa[mds] on wed
13:06:58 <GeKo> if both of you are happy with it i'll just polish it up and we are done on that front
13:07:05 <hiro> yep yep thanks I am going to do that...
13:07:24 <GeKo> apart from report writing i workeed with netteam folks on the dos and the 0.4.9.15 release
13:07:33 <GeKo> i think the defenses look good so far
13:07:45 <GeKo> there is fallout, though: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/analysis/-/work_items/116
13:07:53 <hiro> thanks for that
13:07:59 <GeKo> i suspect that's not due the dos defenses but the TAP rejection
13:08:13 <GeKo> which means 0.4.8.x clients are not allowed in the network anymore
13:08:31 <GeKo> i heard dir-auths are getting hammered now
13:08:42 <GeKo> so, i suspect they will bring this up later today in the sync
13:09:03 <GeKo> but they should be aware of this ticket already (at least a bunch of them)
13:09:23 <hiro> meaning they try to connect continuously? but is it only dirauth or also fallbacks?
13:09:28 <hiro> *dirauths
13:09:42 <GeKo> this week, apart from the many meetings, i'll try to investigate this issue and get back to p203 and the data format spec
13:09:57 <GeKo> i need to look at the fallbacks. not sure yet
13:10:23 <GeKo> it could be that the 0.4.8.x ones are so old that essentially only dir-auths are still reachable from the fallback list
13:10:52 <GeKo> it's puzzling that they get counted though
13:11:23 <hiro> I was looking at: https://grafana2.torproject.org/goto/s728wm?orgId=1
13:11:37 <hiro> and especially at the tunneled-dl clients count
13:12:06 <GeKo> it resminds me a bit of https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/analysis/-/work_items/101
13:12:23 <GeKo> but the underlying reason for that got fixed
13:13:00 <GeKo> and i was somehow assuming we'd avoid spikes like the ones in #116 with those fixes
13:13:14 <hiro> and two things struck me. 1. bridge clients also spike and also snowflake, 2. They do not spike for tunneled-dl for bridges but do for relays
13:13:16 <GeKo> but then i've not looked close enough at that ticket yet
13:14:06 <hiro> that snowflake bw spike probably not relayted
13:14:32 <GeKo> re 1., yeah. i've not looked for 2. but you could add that part to the ticket, if there is anything interesting...
13:14:45 <GeKo> anyway, i think that's all for me for last and this week
13:15:41 <hiro> yeah I am going to have a look at those thanks
13:17:02 <hiro> ok I can go, I have pending issues from fixing db data and I am looking back at the notes from the dev meeting and put all the projects ideas into proposals
13:17:19 <hiro> so that these are ready for next year and also so that the memory is still fresh from what we discussed
13:17:28 <hiro> will also try to order a bit our priorities on the wiki and so on
13:18:03 <hiro> I'll cc you all on the proposals created so if you think there is anything to add up you can
13:18:28 <GeKo> sounds good
13:18:40 <hiro> and that's mainly all for me
13:19:50 <hiro> something that we can chat about next monday is that maybe once a month we could have a sync by voice
13:20:25 <GeKo> fine with me
13:20:29 <hiro> but we have to check how to make this work with the various projects syncs... this was an idea from juga so we can chat when they are online
13:21:14 <GeKo> one thing i just realized: metrics-alerts@ is telling is that we start to drop consensuses on collector again
13:21:21 <GeKo> both flavors
13:21:35 <GeKo> did anything change on collector-rs side?
13:21:46 <GeKo> juga: ^
13:22:46 <hiro> is there anything I am blogkin you on GeKo (IRC) or anything you need from me?
13:23:32 <GeKo> nope
13:23:34 <GeKo> all good
13:23:57 <GeKo> just the report review so we are set for the wed sync
13:24:50 <hiro> it does, but I have checked and we are not, unless I am mistaken?
13:25:09 <hiro> it started with the switch from summer-time to winter-time
13:25:11 <hiro> or just normal time
13:26:18 <hiro> I found one missing actually... and this is the first time I do... been checking all week
13:26:22 <hiro> and it is today at 9am
13:27:13 <hiro> and another one on the 31st
13:27:23 <GeKo> hrm, okay
13:27:54 <hiro> so yeah I was mistaken... nothing changed... I only restarted the service 2-3 days ago to update the onionperfs
13:28:34 <GeKo> we miss 2026-11-01-20-00-00-consensus as well it seems
13:29:00 <hiro> I'll open an issue...
13:29:15 <hiro> it is weird because we should also have that file locally from moria1
13:29:28 <hiro> and gabelmoo
13:30:22 <GeKo> and for some notifications it seems the 4h waiting time was not enough
13:30:56 <GeKo> that's for the consensus-ns only messages yesterday at least
13:30:57 <GeKo> ok
13:32:47 <hiro> yeah it's weird...
13:33:01 <hiro> anyways I also find it strange that we do not get that from collector-2
13:34:34 <hiro> It think the 4h waiting is because we got that eventually from collector-2 but not all of them are there... strange that we miss on both services
13:34:44 <hiro> anywasy I'll open an issue. Thanks
13:35:10 <hiro> I'll end the meeting then if there isn't anything else
13:35:47 <hiro> #endmeeting