16:00:03 <Shelikhoo[mds]> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
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16:00:03 <Shelikhoo[mds]> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469
16:00:03 <Shelikhoo[mds]> editable link available on request
16:00:07 <Shelikhoo[mds]> hi~hi~
16:00:11 <onyinyang[mds]> hihi
16:00:11 <meskio> hello
16:00:24 <cohosh> hi
16:00:58 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I didn't see a new discussion topics
16:01:02 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I didn't see any new discussion topics
16:01:20 <Shelikhoo[mds]> let's wait for 2 min for everyone too add their topic if any
16:02:23 <dcf1> thx for updating the reading group wiki cohosh
16:04:11 <dcf1> can't believe we've read all that
16:04:42 <cohosh> yeah it's a lot!
16:05:11 <cohosh> anything we want to pick to read next? i have a few papers to follow up on after foci/pets
16:06:13 <meskio> thanks for looking into it, is been a long time we didn't update it
16:06:49 <Shelikhoo[mds]> yes, thanks cohosh
16:06:50 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I have add a topic: Update snowflake golang toolchain version
16:06:51 <Shelikhoo[mds]> There are quite a few dependencies updates missing for snowflake
16:06:51 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I think we should try to upgrade to the most recent golang toolchain version and issue an update
16:06:54 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Do we still have any blockers for version updates?
16:09:21 <cohosh> i don't know what the current state of Tor Browser go requirements are
16:10:08 <meskio> they tend not to be more outdated than one version behind (beside specific old platforms), but we should ask before updating
16:10:57 <cohosh> debian is still at 1.24 for stable, but i don't think that should block us
16:11:04 <Shelikhoo[mds]> yes! I will create a merge request with toolchain version update, and ask for opinion from browser team
16:12:09 <Shelikhoo[mds]> the issue is more or less like there is a dozen of security updates for the dependencies already, to the point it is not feasible to quickly determine if they apply to us
16:13:49 <Shelikhoo[mds]> so yes, I will ask browser team for opinions
16:13:50 <Shelikhoo[mds]> New reading group paper?
16:13:51 <Shelikhoo[mds]> the next discussion topic is :     New reading group paper?
16:14:16 <Shelikhoo[mds]> any suggestions?
16:16:17 <Shelikhoo[mds]> any paper that are suitable for the next reading group?
16:16:54 <cohosh> i have two on my list
16:17:28 <cohosh> https://www.petsymposium.org/popets/2026/popets-2026-0096.php
16:17:42 <dcf1> CensorLess: Cost-Efficient Censorship Circumvention Through Serverless Cloud Functions
16:17:49 <cohosh> https://www.petsymposium.org/foci/2026/foci-2026-0014.pdf
16:18:03 <cohosh> Who Carries Tor? Measuring Bandwidth-Weighted Transit Concentration
16:18:04 <dcf1> Who Carries Tor? Measuring Bandwidth-Weighted Transit Concentration
16:18:10 <dcf1> ops
16:18:28 <cohosh> there are more interesting papers but those i want to read fully and contact the authors about
16:18:30 <dcf1> I was going to say CensorLess
16:18:43 <cohosh> sorry i mean there are additional interesting papers
16:19:43 <dcf1> there are more interesting papers, but few that are more interesting
16:19:55 <cohosh> yes exactly heh
16:20:19 <cohosh> let's go with censorless
16:20:32 <meskio> both look good, let's do censorless
16:20:48 <Shelikhoo[mds]> nice!
16:21:06 <Shelikhoo[mds]> now let's find a good time slot
16:21:47 <gus[mds]> "who carries tor?" sounds more like a net-health+community discussion
16:21:52 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Will Aug/20 work for everyone?
16:22:17 <meskio> works for me
16:22:20 <onyinyang[mds]> I think that works for me
16:22:25 <cohosh> gus[mds]: it is, but i'm curious about a study into bridge diversity
16:22:34 <cohosh> as a followup to this paper
16:22:55 <meskio> we could invite net-health and community to that reading group if it happens :)
16:23:07 <cohosh> cool :)
16:23:12 <cohosh> aug 20 works for me
16:23:41 <Shelikhoo[mds]> waiting for cohosh about Aug 20 paper discussion timing
16:23:58 <cohosh> yeah it's good
16:24:46 <Shelikhoo[mds]> nice! It is decided!
16:24:54 <Shelikhoo[mds]> here are some interesting links
16:25:01 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I think these are new for this week
16:25:14 <Shelikhoo[mds]> https://blog.torproject.org/snowflake-volunteer-standalone-app-to-help-people-bypass-censorship/
16:25:32 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Titled: Snowflake Volunteer, an Android app to help people bypass censorship
16:26:07 <Shelikhoo[mds]> Thanks Sérgio Santos  >~<
16:26:19 <dcf1> that's the "bloco" proxy type that's now in our metrics
16:26:37 <SergioSantos> IPs in last days: 1341 > 1761 > 2154
16:26:57 <SergioSantos> I hope they continue to grow 🤞
16:27:03 <dcf1> congrats on the blog post
16:27:21 <cohosh> \o/
16:27:40 <meskio> nice
16:27:50 <Shelikhoo[mds]> nice!
16:28:51 <Shelikhoo[mds]> And here is the next topic:
16:28:52 <Shelikhoo[mds]> https://opencollective.com/censorship-circumvention/projects/snowflake-daily-operations/updates/2026-july-update-and-a-statement-about-mullvad-donations
16:29:04 <Shelikhoo[mds]> sorry next interesting link
16:29:21 <Shelikhoo[mds]> 2026 July update, and a statement about Mullvad donations from snowflake server ops
16:29:57 <dcf1> this is the public statement of the decision made by the bridge operators which I brought up a few meetings ago
16:30:32 <dcf1> the important part for this group is that we anticipate not being able to sustain the same level of operation on the snowflake-01 bridge
16:30:49 <dcf1> rate-limiting the bridge or otherwise reducing demand is one possible option
16:31:14 <dcf1> or perhaps the statement will stimulate new financial support and it won't be a problem
16:33:52 <Shelikhoo[mds]> yes... as I said the distributed bridge system does support than than 2 snowflake servers
16:34:19 <Shelikhoo[mds]> and with some work it is possible to spread the cost
16:34:25 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I think this the last topic in this meeting, anything more we wants to cover in this meeting?
16:34:56 <cohosh> nice writeup, thanks for sharing it
16:36:44 <Shelikhoo[mds]> I will wait for 2 more minutes before call this a meeting
16:36:46 <meskio> thank you for making the hard decisions
16:38:46 <Shelikhoo[mds]> #endmeeting