16:00:12 <meskio> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting 16:00:12 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Jul 17 16:00:12 2025 UTC. The chair is meskio. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:12 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:15 <shelikhoo> (enters the meeting room early to slack off...) 16:00:16 <meskio> hello everyone!!! 16:00:17 <shelikhoo> hahah 16:00:22 <meskio> ask me in private to give you the link of the pad to be able to edit it if you don't have it 16:00:24 <meskio> I'll wait few minutes for everybody to add you've been working on and put items on the agenda 16:00:37 <meskio> ups, I miss one line on the copypaste: 16:00:41 <meskio> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469 16:01:10 <meskio> I think some people is AFK for PETs or other reasons 16:01:17 <meskio> so maybe this will be a short meeting 16:02:04 <shelikhoo> yeah, I don't have too much to report 16:02:32 <meskio> me neither 16:02:37 <shelikhoo> just one random observation that even running snowflake probe in my home 16:02:44 <shelikhoo> there is a lot of connection failiure 16:03:03 <meskio> ohh, bummer, grafana was looking better now 16:03:05 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:13.609 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:13.609 [notice] Delaying directory fetches: No running bridges' 16:03:05 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:13.931 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:13.931 [warn] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake" wrote a STATUS line without TRANSPORT: "TYPE=version IMPLEMENTATION=\\\\"snowflake-client\\\\" VERSION=\\\\"2.11.0 (58b1d48e)\\\\""' 16:03:05 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:14.613 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:14.613 [notice] Bootstrapped 1% (conn_pt): Connecting to pluggable transport' 16:03:05 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:14.614 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:14.614 [notice] Bootstrapped 2% (conn_done_pt): Connected to pluggable transport' 16:03:05 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:14.633 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:14.633 [notice] Bootstrapped 10% (conn_done): Connected to a relay' 16:03:06 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:15.476 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:15.476 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:07 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:16.985 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:16.985 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:03:09 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:26.987 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:26.987 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:03:11 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:27.593 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:27.593 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:14 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:29.292 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:29.292 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:03:16 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:39.293 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:39.292 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:03:18 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:39.524 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:39.523 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:20 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:39.869 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:39.868 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:03:25 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:49.870 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:49.870 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:03:27 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:50.185 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:50.185 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:29 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:52:50.535 tor: b'Jul 17 15:52:50.535 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:03:31 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:00.536 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:00.536 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:03:33 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:01.076 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:01.076 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:36 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:06.183 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:06.183 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker failure Unexpected error, no answer.' 16:03:38 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:11.208 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:11.208 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:40 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:11.317 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:11.316 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:03:42 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:21.317 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:21.317 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:03:44 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:22.030 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:22.030 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:46 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:27.135 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:27.135 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker failure Unexpected error, no answer.' 16:03:49 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:31.536 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:31.536 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:51 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:36.597 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:36.597 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker failure Unexpected error, no answer.' 16:03:55 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:41.891 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:41.891 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:03:57 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:42.096 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:42.095 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:04:00 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:52.097 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:52.097 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:04:02 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:52.632 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:52.632 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:04:04 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:53:52.756 tor: b'Jul 17 15:53:52.756 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:04:06 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:02.757 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:02.757 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:04:08 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:03.140 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:03.140 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:04:11 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:03.626 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:03.626 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:04:13 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:13.628 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:13.628 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": trying a new proxy: timeout waiting for DataChannel.OnOpen' 16:04:15 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:14.481 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:14.481 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": offer created' 16:04:17 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:15.292 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:15.292 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": broker rendezvous peer received' 16:04:19 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:24.699 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:24.698 [notice] Managed proxy "/usr/bin/snowflake": connected' 16:04:24 <shelikhoo> 2025-07-17 15:54:26.140 tor: b'Jul 17 15:54:26.139 [notice] Bootstrapped 14% (handshake): Handshaking with a relay' 16:04:26 <shelikhoo> (sorry for flushing the screen) 16:04:31 <shelikhoo> so there is a new theory that there are some broken snowflake proxies that are keep trying to match with client 16:04:33 <shelikhoo> and fails 16:04:35 <shelikhoo> since attempted connection does not add to connection limit 16:04:51 <shelikhoo> the server that failed to connect to client makes more attempt to match with client 16:05:43 <shelikhoo> so this artificially makes clients more likely to be matched with a broken proxy 16:05:45 <meskio> ohh, this could be part of the problem we were seeing when Iran blocked partialy internet 16:06:04 <shelikhoo> yes... it at least contribute to the feeling that snowflake is slow 16:06:27 <meskio> maybe something to add to https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowflake/-/issues/40465 16:06:35 <shelikhoo> yes. I will 16:06:36 <meskio> or maybe worth creating a new related issue 16:07:08 <shelikhoo> yes! I will add a comment about this first 16:07:22 <shelikhoo> but otherwise I have nothing more to share right now 16:07:24 <shelikhoo> EOF 16:07:25 <meskio> good, let's work on this issue, we'll need to investigate 16:07:43 <meskio> same here, let's keep it short for this week 16:07:57 <meskio> I'll wait 1min and close the meeting if nothing comes up 16:09:10 <meskio> #endmeeting