16:00:11 <morganava> #startmeeting Applications Team Weekly Meeting 2025-06-09
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16:00:14 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[mds]> Hi!
16:00:16 <morganava> it's that time of the week again
16:00:23 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[mds]> Yay meetings are back!
16:00:25 <dan_b> ahoy
16:00:27 <morganava> most of us are back from travels near and far
16:00:30 <ma1> o/
16:00:44 <morganava> our pad as usual -> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-keep
16:02:28 <boklm> o/
16:02:32 <morganava> no new immediately actionable elements, but on my end I'll be editing/migrating our notes from the past few weeks to our gitlab wiki and will be working w/ bella to hand out our collection of action items
16:02:51 <henry-x[mds]> how was the browser hacking conference?
16:03:09 <morganava> i think good overall
16:03:29 <morganava> met lots of folks who seem interested in privacy and fingerprinting and what-not
16:03:58 <morganava> *maybe* weighing in on standards before they become official will be part of our workflow long-term
16:04:08 <henry-x[mds]> cool!
16:04:10 <dan_b> oooh!
16:04:12 <morganava> but of course that takes effort and planning and what-not
16:04:13 <dan_b> that does sound good
16:04:23 <morganava> but at least the interest to listen to our concerns is there
16:04:54 * morganava dusts off the release calendar
16:05:27 <ma1> yeah, the folks in the privacy working group would definitely be glad to have our imprimatur on their stuff
16:06:08 <morganava> I saw we have a 140 nightly end tag in now, are we on track for having our first 140esr alpha soon?
16:06:39 <morganava> well rather, are there any immediate blockers/concerns to go over otherwise we can kick it to the (pending) weekly'ish relase meeting
16:06:54 <PieroV> morganava: I'm trying to revert the addition of winpthreads
16:07:10 <PieroV> tjr helped, I'm trying to integrate the changes in my tor-browser-build MR
16:07:41 <dan_b> what time is the release meeting? i don't see one for this week?
16:08:04 <morganava> dan_b pending, probably 1700 UTC
16:08:05 <PieroV> That would be good for desktop, but Android hasn't seen much work so far
16:08:13 <morganava> i've a bunch of crabs to send out
16:08:23 <dan_b> aah ha
16:08:43 * ma1 checks tariffs on dutch crabs
16:08:44 <PieroV> It should be buildable outside tor-browser-build, but we still need to update the dependencies
16:09:12 <morganava> has anyone claimed the android dep update work yet?
16:09:22 <morganava> iirc dan's on p101 for now and claire's on hoiday
16:09:37 <PieroV> morganava: I sorta started it
16:09:53 <dan_b> my partner did once live in a dorm with another student whos parents did send fresh caught seafood internationally by mail... and the smell on arrival was... something else
16:10:09 <morganava> um
16:10:10 <PieroV> Bea started updating some parts of the toolchains
16:10:43 <PieroV> I'm starting on her branch and trying to build GeckoView. I'll inevitably fail, but it should be good to get going with deps
16:11:14 <morganava> ok
16:11:20 <dan_b> yeah this week i should be full capacity on onionmasq reproducibility and fdroid/vpn and then as time frees up patch rebaseing for 140 for my torcontroller one and the campeignbox
16:11:32 <dan_b> is 140 for android not building locally?
16:11:38 <dan_b> or just rough?
16:11:42 <PieroV> Right, all MRs should be ready to be retargeted
16:11:47 <PieroV> dan_b: some A-S troubles
16:11:57 <PieroV> I usually reverted the changes to get it to build when rebasing
16:12:02 <dan_b> aaah right. i guess i'd need a new tbb build of it?
16:12:08 <boklm> I can help with android toolchain update
16:12:17 <PieroV> Yes, but there are some deps updates missing
16:12:37 <PieroV> A preview for the work is at https://gitlab.torproject.org/brizental/tor-browser-build/-/commits/41453-a-s-update
16:12:43 <dan_b> ok so it's good im busy with 101 stuff cus it sound like i'd have a bit of a hard time testing android 140 rebases?
16:13:22 <morganava> alright
16:13:48 <morganava> well sounds like we're probably on track for Jul 1 for 15.0a1 (currently scheduled)
16:15:13 <PieroV> I expect some size increase for 140
16:15:18 <PieroV> It'll be annoying
16:15:31 <PieroV> Can we set a deadline for toolchain updates?
16:15:44 <PieroV> Like have nightlies going by the end of this week?
16:16:02 <morganava> i'd be happy with making that a *goal*
16:16:33 <PieroV> Desktop or both?
16:16:48 <morganava> let's aim for Desktop and be happy if we get Mobile :3
16:16:51 <PieroV> I think desktop will come even earlier :)
16:18:20 <morganava> as a reminder also *please* do a triage pass on the Bugzilla Triage; each of you should have 2 or 3 major versions in total to go through -> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/?sort=created_date&state=opened&search=Audit%20Firefox%20Changes&label_name%5B%5D=Bugzilla%20Review&first_page_size=100
16:19:38 <dan_b> yes i am behind on those, very meaning to get to shortly
16:20:12 <morganava> and finally, if you haven't yet, please do your expense reporting by the end of this week
16:20:21 <morganava> in Harvest^
16:20:35 <dan_b> 😅 also yes
16:23:23 <morganava> ok i don't have any other 'very important announcements'
16:24:05 <morganava> dan_b, boklm I think we've a 101 vpn reproducibility sync after this time slot
16:24:19 * Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[mds] points in the direction of my message just now in #tor-browser-dev:matrix.org , in case anyone here needs to contact me next week or the week after
16:24:19 <dan_b> it looks canceled to me?
16:24:21 <morganava> does anyone else have topics to bring forward?
16:24:47 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[mds]> Very much looking forward to doing a SocksTrace talk at MoneroKon
16:24:54 <morganava> dan_b: i just *confirmed* it in thunderbird just to be sure vOv
16:24:59 <morganava> hey fun jeremy
16:25:25 <morganava> i hope you have a good time
16:26:13 <Jeremy_Rand_Lab19[mds]> thanks morganava ! It would have been better if MoneroKon didn't collide with GPN (I would have liked to meet up with Tor people at GPN this year), but such is life, I'll still have a good time I'm sure
16:26:49 <morganava> ok
16:27:06 <morganava> then i hope you all have an excellent week and get your sleep-schedules back on track if you haven't already o/
16:27:19 <morganava> later!
16:27:19 <morganava> #endmeeting