16:00:24 <onyinyang> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
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16:00:24 <onyinyang> hello everyone!
16:00:24 <onyinyang> here is our meeting pad: [https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469](https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469)
16:00:29 <shelikhoo> hi~hi~
16:01:07 <meskio> hello
16:03:08 <meskio> I think the point in the agenda is from last week
16:03:25 <meskio> should we remove it or there is more to talk about this week?
16:03:44 <shelikhoo> no news from me about that
16:04:16 <onyinyang> ok, removed :)
16:04:39 <onyinyang> So there are no discussion points :(
16:04:41 <meskio> I guess we might not have much to discuss this week :)
16:04:46 <onyinyang> but there are interesting links!
16:05:27 <meskio> looks like we'll need to keep an eye to myanmar
16:06:01 <shelikhoo> I think one particular thing we should look for is that
16:06:16 <meskio> we already have myanmar in circumvention settings
16:06:19 <shelikhoo> we usually assume that censor only controls the network in one region
16:07:03 <shelikhoo> but we typically don't think they could combine data from more than one region and sharing data between them
16:07:06 <meskio> yes, will be interesting to see if bridges get blocked together in both regions
16:08:05 <shelikhoo> let's say if a user setup proxy in US and access it from China, then US deploy a censorship device made in that that send its data to assist china in censorship of that proxy
16:08:15 <shelikhoo> which is not something we usually think about
16:08:43 <shelikhoo> but maybe in the future we need to say that when this happen, whether the proxy protocol will work less well
16:09:06 <shelikhoo> since user might wish to deploy proxy in a nearby region to improve network performance
16:09:33 <shelikhoo> without thinking too much about whether the firewalls will whispering with each other
16:09:44 <shelikhoo> and yes, they can also share block list
16:09:45 <shelikhoo> over
16:10:10 <meskio> yes, something to keep in mind
16:10:33 <meskio> on the other link, happy families is comming
16:10:58 <meskio> we've being discorgaing people to run exit nodes and bridges, because you can't add bridges to your family
16:11:15 <meskio> and clients might choose a path that goes both over your bridge and your exit node
16:11:25 <meskio> AFAIK happy families solves that
16:11:55 <shelikhoo> nice!
16:12:03 <onyinyang> cool
16:12:07 <meskio> this was not the main intention of happy families, the interest was to reduce the descriptors size by removing the long list of relay fingerprints of families on each relay
16:12:18 <meskio> but that use case was also taken into account
16:12:58 <meskio> that is all from me
16:13:06 <shelikhoo> eof
16:13:49 <onyinyang> alright, I guess if there's nothing else we can end the meeting
16:14:02 <meskio> sounds good
16:14:15 <onyinyang> #endmeeting