16:00:17 <shelikhoo> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
16:00:17 <shelikhoo> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469
16:00:17 <shelikhoo> editable link available on request
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16:00:19 <shelikhoo> hi~hi~
16:00:43 <onyinyang> I was just about to start the meeting >.<
16:00:44 <onyinyang> oh well
16:01:05 * dcf1 recognizes the facilitator
16:01:08 <onyinyang> hi "D
16:01:11 <onyinyang> :D
16:01:28 <shelikhoo> yes, I see I was the facilitator in the meeting
16:01:38 <onyinyang> that was for next meeting
16:01:42 <shelikhoo> for the "next meeting" field
16:01:45 <shelikhoo> oooooooo
16:01:48 <onyinyang> since meskio is away, we had to skil him
16:01:55 <shelikhoo> anyway it is not that important
16:02:01 <onyinyang> yeah, it's not lol
16:03:27 <shelikhoo> I didn't see any discussion topic
16:03:43 <shelikhoo> but there was a interesting link about tls1.3 getting blocked
16:03:53 <shelikhoo> let's discuss about this link first
16:04:00 <shelikhoo> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/censorship-analysis/-/issues/40057#note_3189889
16:04:00 <shelikhoo> "users from some regions report tls 1.3 being blocked" (Russia)
16:04:19 <shelikhoo> I wonder whether the thing get blocked is tls 1.3 or just ESNI
16:04:29 <dcf1> nina13[m]: do you have a link or reference? or is this information from user support requests?
16:05:06 <nina13[mds]> dcf1: it is from ntc.party - users reported this
16:05:10 <dcf1> I am curious whether it is TLS 1.3 itself, or TLS 1.3 + ECH.
16:05:27 <shelikhoo> oh yes ECH, not ESNI
16:05:32 <shelikhoo> my bad....
16:06:12 <dcf1> nina13[mds]: ok. if you have a link handy, it's helpful for me if you include it in the issue comment. otherwise I have to scroll through the NTC threads one post at a time, clicking the "translate" button, which I do sometimes but it takes a long time
16:07:16 <nina13[m]> dcf1: yep: https://ntc.party/t/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%8F-%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D1%8B/15818/6
16:07:57 <dcf1> Relating to the request to businesses to whitelist specific protocols/connections (https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/censorship-analysis/-/issues/40057#note_3187885), there's some references to similar requests back starting in 2021
16:08:01 <dcf1> https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/76
16:08:04 <dcf1> https://ntc.party/t/rkn-will-try-to-block-the-following-vpn-services/1022
16:08:15 <dcf1> nina13[m]: thank you
16:09:51 <dcf1> PS, sometimes it's convenient to know it's possible to trim the horrible '%XX%XX' part of those Discourse URLs: https://ntc.party/t/15818/6
16:10:33 <dcf1> The URLs derived from the thread title work ok for English, but not so much for UTF-8 Cyrillic text :)
16:13:04 <shelikhoo> at least it could be copy pasted.... for simplified chinese and japanese, characters share the same Unicode code, even if they are written differently
16:13:23 <nina13[m]> dcf1: thanks! Didn't know that
16:13:57 <shelikhoo> and basically one need to known that language the text is in to render it correctly
16:14:02 <shelikhoo> the same before unicode
16:14:05 <dcf1> shelikhoo: yes, the percent-encoding is the only reasonable thing to do for interchange of URLs, it's just not so nice to look at
16:14:56 <shelikhoo> I didn't see any discussion about ECH in the ntc party link
16:15:34 <shelikhoo> I could try if such blocking can be reproduced on vantage point
16:17:33 <shelikhoo> anything more we would like to discuss about this topic?
16:19:25 <shelikhoo> anything more we would like to discuss in this meeting?
16:19:37 <onyinyang> nothing from me
16:20:59 <shelikhoo> thanks! we could discuss the tls1.3 censorship topic again once we have more data
16:21:01 <shelikhoo> #endmeeting