16:00:03 <onyinyang> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting 16:00:03 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Jul 11 16:00:03 2024 UTC. The chair is onyinyang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:03 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:03 <onyinyang> hello everyone! 16:00:03 <onyinyang> here is our meeting pad: [https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469](https://pad.riseup.net/p/r.9574e996bb9c0266213d38b91b56c469) 16:00:07 <shelikhoo> hi~ 16:00:38 <meskio> hello 16:00:57 <theodorsm> hi! 16:03:33 <ggus> can someone share the pad link with me in pvt? 16:03:44 * meskio goes to do that 16:03:51 <onyinyang> thanks meskio 16:04:43 <onyinyang> it seems like there's not too much to discuss today but i'll give ggus a minute :) 16:05:56 <meskio> in the meant time: we will not have a meeting next week, most of the team will be at PETS 16:06:30 <shelikhoo> yes 16:07:35 <onyinyang> ok let's start 16:08:11 <onyinyang> The first topic, is Censorship in Russia 16:08:33 <ggus> i added that 16:08:55 <ggus> it seems RKN is starting to block some tor resources 16:09:25 <ggus> more recently they blocked some vpn apps in app store 16:09:56 <ggus> and if you use applecensorship site, you will see some tor apps blocked 16:10:00 <ggus> "tor" 16:10:08 <ggus> tob browser was blocked 16:10:53 <shelikhoo> I believe in reality these censor agencies just use keyword search and send demand letters 16:11:00 <ggus> yes 16:11:44 <ggus> they also emailed google about removing tor apps from play store 16:12:01 <meskio> does google complay with those requests? 16:12:08 <ggus> dunno 16:13:07 <ggus> in apple case, changing the apple id to another country seems to work: https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/377#issuecomment-2223302357 16:13:41 <shelikhoo> be aware that apple restrict users from creating an account that does not match their IP address 16:14:13 <shelikhoo> so it is not like the user could just switch the account 16:14:26 <shelikhoo> and often these VPN apps requires payment 16:14:49 <shelikhoo> so it will create some kind of barrier 16:15:34 <ggus> i was thinking in possible workarounds for orbot/onion browser in ios 16:17:28 <shelikhoo> maybe we could have a guide or something like that about how to create an apple account in another region? 16:18:05 <ggus> maybe frontline defenders already have that, i'll check 16:18:36 <shelikhoo> yes... 16:20:10 <ggus> should we create a new ticket for ongoing situation in russia in censorship-analysis? 16:20:14 <ggus> 2024 edition 16:21:23 <meskio> mmm, up to you, if is just the app stores being blocked I'm not sure how much we'll be able to help from the anti-censorship team 16:21:42 <meskio> but feel free to open it, that might be a warning of more things to come 16:22:06 <ggus> well, if you click on ntc.party link, you will see that they are also blocking bridges 16:22:26 <meskio> ohh, I see this link, mmm 16:23:26 <ggus> and it seems they fixed their blocking rule and *.torproject.org subdomains are blocked too 16:23:42 <meskio> yes, create the issue with all those info then 16:23:55 <ggus> ok! 16:26:14 <meskio> I think we are done with this topic 16:26:35 <onyinyang> ok let's move on to interesting links 16:27:00 <onyinyang> the first is theodorsm's thesis: 16:27:01 <onyinyang> https://theodorsm.net/thesis 16:27:21 <onyinyang> congrats on finishing this theodorsm :D 16:27:28 <theodorsm> Thanks! 16:27:29 <meskio> yeah!! pretty cool 16:27:40 <shelikhoo> hehe! congrats! 16:28:25 <meskio> I see theodorsm you are adding the thesis to our reading group, will be nice to discuss it but 55 pages (without appendixes) looks a bit too long for it 16:28:39 <meskio> I wonder if we could do a chapter or few 16:28:56 <theodorsm> Yes, I understand that is a bit too long 16:29:02 <onyinyang> or if there's any related paper? 16:29:37 <theodorsm> I am working on condensing it into a paper 16:30:07 <meskio> maybe we can wait for that paper to add it to our reading group 16:30:11 <theodorsm> So any feedback would be appreaciated, but it will probably take a month or so to compelete the paper 16:31:57 <meskio> I hope to have a look to your thesis on the comming days, but not sure I'll be able to do any deep reading soon 16:32:23 <onyinyang> that's no problem theodorsm, please let us know whenever it's ready and we'd be happy to discuss it in the reading group 16:32:55 <theodorsm> Thanks, ofc take your time, no rush! @meskio 16:33:01 <meskio> we should check FOCI papers for our reading group, but maybe better wait for august when more people is around 16:33:46 <meskio> I'll love to hear from the people attending what will be worth it from there, I'll miss FOCI :'( 16:34:10 <onyinyang> me too :( 16:34:11 <theodorsm> Would it be relevant to send out the thesis with the mailing list or should I wait for the paper? 16:34:37 <shelikhoo> hehe! I will share what I saw at FOCI! 16:34:57 <meskio> theodorsm: I think is a good idea to send an email with a link to your thesis to our mailing list 16:35:18 <meskio> (or do you mean somewhere else) 16:35:21 <theodorsm> @mesiko, ok will do. 16:35:46 <meskio> thanks 16:36:30 <onyinyang> ok the final item in the interesting links is: https://forum.torproject.org/t/snowflake-daily-operations-june-2024-update/13472 16:37:48 <meskio> :) 16:38:00 <meskio> happy to see snowflake bridge being stable and working 16:38:28 <onyinyang> \o/ 16:38:34 <shelikhoo> ^~^ 16:39:36 <onyinyang> I think that's it for our meeting today unless anyone has any final thoughts/comments/concerns? 16:39:55 <meskio> nothing from me 16:40:14 <shelikhoo> eof 16:40:35 <theodorsm> tnx for the meeting! 16:40:40 <onyinyang> ok cool, enjoy FOCI/PETS next week for everyone that's attending! 16:40:44 <onyinyang> #endmeeting