15:58:38 <donuts> #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting, 16 May 2023 15:58:38 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue May 16 15:58:38 2023 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:58:38 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:29 <nicob> hi o/ 15:59:36 <donuts> welcome welcome 15:59:38 <donuts> pad is here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-keep 15:59:45 <nah> o/ 16:01:23 <donuts> please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda 16:01:29 <donuts> otherwise, feel free to fill out your todo lists 16:04:21 <donuts> okay i'm done, lmk when you're ready 16:04:53 <nah> i might be done, i think i'm forgetting something 16:05:08 <nicob> feeling similarly lol but also done i think 16:05:19 <nah> announcement: tomorrow it's happening the LatAm meetup \o/ at 2100 UTC 16:05:40 <nah> it's in spanish, we expect around 18 people to attend 16:05:47 * championquizzer is done too 16:05:56 <nah> i'll be there :) 16:06:11 <donuts> awesome, I've just added it to the pad! 16:06:12 <nicob> awesome! 16:07:01 <nah> another quick update 16:07:07 <donuts> other announcements: 12.0.6 was released on Friday – it *should* be the penultimate stable release in the 12.0 series, but more on that later 16:07:19 <donuts> sorry, go for it nah 16:08:12 <nah> we are working with partners in East Africa (the community team and the ux team together) with training and usability testing sessions. we expect this to be completed soon (probably by the end of next week) \o/ 16:08:19 <nah> np, donuts 16:08:44 <championquizzer> very nice! 16:08:44 <nah> on our side, we are reporting the download page and snowflake webpage usability testings 16:08:53 <donuts> fantastic! glad to hear it 16:08:56 <nah> (and these are the activities we are expecting to be completed soon) 16:09:00 <nah> yay :) 16:09:36 <nah> ok, done now hehe 16:10:19 <donuts> I don't see anything in bold, so let's check in with championquizzer – any updates this week? 16:10:43 <championquizzer> i got a couple of reports for the windows pro bug last week 16:10:53 <championquizzer> https://forum.torproject.net/t/tor-setup-application-not-launching/7069 16:11:08 <championquizzer> the solution in the thread seems to be working 16:11:43 <donuts> I am actually unsure of what the status is with that ticket 16:12:27 <donuts> hrm also I have totally lost the ticket too 16:13:03 <championquizzer> donuts: i'm not sure we had a gitlab ticket about this, hmm 16:13:21 <donuts> I thought I saw one somewhere, but it may have been a fever dream 16:14:30 <donuts> okay gitlab is failing me 16:14:40 <championquizzer> i have seen users complain about this mandatory aslr thing for other apps on win pro, so not sure if it's a TB bug per say 16:15:04 <donuts> richard/pierov: can you remember if we have a ticket for the windows pro installer issue? 16:15:31 <donuts> championquizzer: yeah, I just wanted to check whether or not the workaround is the long-term solution or whether there's anything else we can do 16:15:40 <championquizzer> right! 16:15:43 <richard> I think we do 16:15:44 <richard> one moment 16:16:39 <donuts> ty ty 16:16:41 * nah added another announcement (update) 16:16:42 <richard> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser-build/-/issues/40822 16:17:09 <championquizzer> aha, thanks very much richard 16:17:13 <donuts> awesome! thank you 16:17:17 <donuts> ah it's closed 16:17:33 <donuts> so is this fixed in 12.0.6? 16:18:01 <donuts> wait, 12.0.5? are all your reports from pre 12.0.5 chapionquizzer? 16:18:06 <donuts> *championquizzer 16:18:14 <donuts> I see that forum user is on .04 16:18:50 <championquizzer> donuts: hmm, it's likely the couple of report we got were from older versions. i will have to check 16:19:17 <donuts> okaydokes, if the issue's still happening post-12.0.5 best let Pier know :) 16:19:35 <championquizzer> sounds good! 16:20:11 <donuts> Nah: the Sponsor 30 project is indeed ending this month :D 16:20:24 <nah> yesss! 16:20:42 <gaba> \o/ 16:20:56 <donuts> The results of the code audit are currently with the applications team to execute, which leaves personas and the "final report" (now blog post) with us? Is that correct? 16:21:08 <gaba> yes 16:21:33 <donuts> great, ty gaba :) 16:21:35 <donuts> nah/nicob did you manage to sync on the personas last week at all? 16:21:37 <nicob> woo! did you still need support with personas nah? 16:21:39 <nicob> oh! haha 16:21:40 <donuts> aha 16:22:00 <donuts> yes please I think nicob :) 16:22:17 <nah> yes! will coordinate with you on signal nicob, is that ok? 16:22:28 <nicob> yep sounds great :) 16:22:32 <donuts> awesome, thanks both! 16:22:35 <nah> also, starting a draft for the blog post with the info we received from tails so far, donuts 16:22:49 <donuts> oh fantastic 🌟 16:22:55 <nah> will pass it to you by the end of the week, as i'm off to vacations on friday 16:23:01 <nah> and then i'll get it back when i'm back 16:23:06 <nah> is that ok? 16:23:07 <donuts> sounds great! 16:23:12 <nah> great :) 16:23:23 <donuts> we should also collect photos somewhere, if we have any* 16:23:35 <donuts> *that we can/have permission to publish 16:23:49 <nah> i do have some pictures of the testings (no faces) and consent to use them! 16:24:01 <donuts> fantastic :D 16:24:37 <donuts> okay moving on with the agenda 16:24:43 <nah> ty! 16:25:00 <donuts> we have 1 interview/presentation scheduled for the product designer position, happening next week 16:25:46 <donuts> and another 5 candidates in the pipeline 16:26:13 <donuts> although I expect not all of them will be available any longer, so we'll still be aiming for 3-4 interviews/presentations total in the first round 16:26:46 <donuts> nah: I know you'll miss it, but if there are any questions in particular you'd like to see asked do let me know :) 16:27:28 <nah> :') thank you 16:27:58 <donuts> last thing on the agenda: Tor Browser 12.5 stable release update 16:28:00 <nah> i hope it goes well! 16:28:37 <donuts> ha same! 16:28:49 <donuts> So yesterday myself and the devs pruned the featurelist for 12.5 16:28:59 <donuts> which now looks like this (remember to peruse the closed tickets too): https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/?sort=closed_at_desc&state=opened&label_name%5B%5D=12.5%20stable&first_page_size=100 16:29:21 <donuts> we may not get 100% of that done in time, but it should be an achievable list (most of the open tickets are minor things) 16:29:34 <donuts> Anything that doesn't make it to the last alpha won't make the release 16:29:38 <donuts> speaking of which 16:30:23 <donuts> 12.5.0 stable is currently scheduled for July 5th 16:30:54 <donuts> I think there was some discussion about shifting things around slightly to account for our usual rapid-followup release to address any issues, but expect stable to land late june/early july 16:31:05 <donuts> this is 1 month later than originally planned 16:31:27 <donuts> any comments/questions? 16:31:33 <championquizzer> more time for me to work on the user support doc updates :D 16:31:42 <donuts> haha yes! 16:31:49 <championquizzer> donuts: thanks for the updates!! 16:31:58 <nah> super happy to see this release coming! thank you for all the hard work 16:32:00 <nah> it's great! 16:32:06 <nicob> more time for graphic assets hehe thanks for the update donuts! 16:32:14 <donuts> more time for EVERYTHING 16:32:17 <championquizzer> heh 16:32:18 <nicob> lolol 16:32:27 <donuts> however we'll have a very very short turnaround between 12.5 and 13.0 as a result 16:32:32 <donuts> like 3-4 months 16:32:54 <donuts> because of that, we'll be focusing on the ESR transition and won't be tackling anything other than minor features 16:33:08 <donuts> plus, the UX of those minor features will need to be "done" by July 16:33:18 <donuts> and we won't have time for usability testing 16:33:27 <nah> :'( 16:34:04 <donuts> on the flip side, being strict with 13.0 will leave us in a better position for 13.5 next year 16:35:15 <nah> nice! 16:35:47 <championquizzer> donuts: i remember reading some discussion about firefox esr dropping support for windows 7, but looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1594270 16:36:00 <championquizzer> seems is not happening soon 16:36:29 * donuts is checking... 16:36:45 <donuts> okay great :) 16:36:50 <donuts> that should make your life easier, lol 16:36:55 <championquizzer> lol 16:38:01 <donuts> okay that's the end of the agenda – anything else folks, or shall I close the meeting? 16:38:26 <nah> good 16:38:27 <nicob> good here 16:38:33 <championquizzer> have a good vacation nah! 16:38:40 <nah> tyvm :) 16:38:49 <championquizzer> thanks all o/ 16:38:53 <donuts> yes, enjoy your time off nah! 16:38:56 <donuts> thanks everyone! 16:39:01 <nicob> thanks everyone, and same nah! enjoy :) 16:39:03 <donuts> #endmeeting