16:01:20 <donuts> #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting, 28 March 2023 16:01:20 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Mar 28 16:01:20 2023 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:20 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:28 <donuts> pad is here as always: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-keep 16:01:49 <donuts> please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda, otherwise feel free to head straight to filling out the weekly planning section 16:06:38 <donuts> okay I'm ready, ya'll ready? 16:07:10 <nicob> 👍 16:07:22 * championquizzer is ready 16:07:43 <nah> ready 16:07:51 <donuts> awesome 16:08:04 <donuts> would you like to go first nah? 16:08:09 <nah> sure :) 16:08:30 <nah> last week i shared a bit of the activities and research we did in ecuador in the previous week 16:08:46 <nah> today i want to share the results of the usability testings: 16:08:49 <nah> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/107#note_2890386 16:09:36 <nah> the points the caught my attention, particularly, is how users choose a bridge when given the option 16:09:52 <nah> "participants are more likely to chose the first bridge option listed, followed by "request a bridge". They understand that these two options are more likely to work than the others." 16:10:42 <donuts> it's a weird case of "users are doing the right thing because of the order we've presented the options, but may not necessarily know why" 16:10:56 <nah> yes, exactly 16:11:02 <donuts> which we can probably improve upon in future, but it's not super high priority 16:11:23 <nah> they assume that Tor gave this order because it works better. 16:11:29 <championquizzer> good points. i can confirm i have seen this user behavior from a support pov 16:11:41 <nah> actually, one person chose meek-azure, but the connection failed 16:12:35 <donuts> hopefully the new descriptions will help with things like selecting meek 16:12:44 <donuts> let me refresh my memory of what we've proposed... 16:13:07 <nah> the other point that i want to highlight is that 4 out of 5 research participants didn't understand the purpose of bridge-moji. they tried to interpret the emoji as something that would benefit their browsing: pencil as "this bridge would work better for academic search" 16:13:35 <nicob> oooooh interesting 16:13:45 <donuts> that's a big oof on our part 16:13:56 <nah> donuts: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/100 16:14:37 <donuts> a couple of earlier versions of the bridge card design preceded the emoji with "This bridge's ID:" and "Bridge-moji", but these were cut based on feedback from the wider group 16:15:20 <donuts> the build you tested included the new link, yep nah? 16:15:32 <donuts> e.g. https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41093#note_2872633 16:16:08 <nah> i wonder if we increase the visibility of "what is this?" on the list of the bridges (instead of individual bridge card) would work better 16:16:40 <donuts> wdym nah? 16:17:07 <nah> so, the new link is not in the list of the bridges 16:17:33 <donuts> where would it be instead, sorry? 16:17:45 <nah> instead it is located on the individual bridge listing 16:17:46 <nah> right? 16:19:07 <nah> the other point is to localize "what is this?" to spanish for the next testing 16:19:15 <donuts> it should be just to the right of the bridge-moji on each individual bridge atm 16:19:48 <donuts> shouldn't be too hard to localize that string 16:19:54 <donuts> did anyone try and click it? 16:20:10 <donuts> oh wait, I think I understand your feedback now – sorry 16:20:18 <donuts> it's not visible in the collapsed state? 16:20:25 <nah> yes, that's it 16:20:29 <donuts> right gotcha 16:20:40 <nah> only one person noticed the link and clicked on it 16:20:49 <donuts> okay we can fix that, and fix the l10n, and retest – but we can also consider more heavy-handed design amends too 16:21:03 <donuts> like resurrecting the "bridge ID" string 16:21:41 <nah> most of them actually tried to click on the emojis to see what happened 16:21:54 <nah> one of the participants tried to erase the bridge line to see if the emojis would change 16:22:13 <donuts> maybe we should wrap the whole block in a link to the manual too 16:22:41 <donuts> regarding the first bit of feedback about bridge lines... 16:22:55 <nah> yep, i think that would be nice too 16:23:03 <donuts> do you think you'd be able to prioritize this issue after the downloads warning please dan_b? 16:23:04 <donuts> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41617 16:23:25 <donuts> we'd love to test that one in Mx 16:23:36 <nah> that's the new one! 16:23:54 <nah> it would be great to do it in MX 16:24:18 <nah> i got a room with an organization to do the testings on the 20th and 21st/april 16:24:21 <donuts> oh i see it's already in dan's doing col, so I think they're on it already 16:24:28 <donuts> nah: awesome! 16:25:04 <dan_b> donuts: yep! was looking at that already 16:25:17 <dan_b> hopefully can start late today or tomorrow 16:25:55 <donuts> dan_b: fantastic, thanks! 16:26:06 <nah> that's great, thanks dan_b :) 16:26:15 <dan_b> np 16:26:35 <donuts> okay, anything else you'd like to share nah? 16:26:37 <nah> this is all from me, if you don't have any other questions 16:26:55 <donuts> perfect, tyvm for all your hard work and travel for this! 16:27:30 <championquizzer> i am wondering can we do something where if the bridge line is not complete no emojis will be generated at all? 16:28:13 <championquizzer> (might be easier said than done actually. just thinking out loud :) 16:28:16 <donuts> iirc it depends on us doing some level of validation for bridge lines in general, which is a bigger issue 16:28:24 <championquizzer> right 16:28:29 <donuts> we have a ticket about it, but it didn't make its way into this phase of work 16:28:35 <donuts> however i totally agree 16:29:05 <championquizzer> cool 16:29:07 <donuts> anyway champion of quizzes, i believe you're up next! 16:29:18 <championquizzer> thanks for the updates, nah! very nice work! 16:29:40 <championquizzer> yep, so a follow up from last week's windows bug 16:29:56 <championquizzer> thanks to pier for getting to the root of this and finding the solution 16:30:08 <championquizzer> https://forum.torproject.net/t/tor-setup-application-not-launching/7069 16:31:08 <donuts> nah/championquizzer/nicob: need to step away to deal with an emergency for 2 mins 16:31:12 <donuts> please continue without me 16:31:20 <championquizzer> ack 16:31:35 <nah> ack 16:31:57 <championquizzer> i am a bit stuck with this issue: https://forum.torproject.net/t/page-appears-blank/7066 16:32:09 <nah> championquizzer: is this a common error? 16:32:14 <championquizzer> my question is have we seen anything like this in testing? 16:32:36 <championquizzer> nah: not common, but I have another report of something very similar one month ago 16:32:55 <nah> i haven't seen this before 16:33:14 <championquizzer> basically, my first guess is antivirus messing up with the install but both of the tickets i have reported of not using any AV 16:33:14 <nah> during the testing, i'm using a spare computer to test nightlies with the users 16:33:25 <nah> but on previous remote testings i didn't see this 16:33:36 <championquizzer> i see 16:33:49 <donuts> back 16:34:03 <donuts> I saw the progress on the windows issue! that's great 16:34:07 <championquizzer> apparently nothing happens when clicking on the hamburger menu, so getting the Tor logs is also not an option 16:34:35 <donuts> championquizzer: looks like they're not connected 16:34:49 <donuts> i wonder if they have new tab set to blank 16:35:03 <donuts> weird that the hamburger menu wouldn't work though :/ 16:35:12 <donuts> in any case, they should be getting redirected to torconnect 16:35:16 <donuts> so maybe that's broken 16:36:02 <donuts> huh the URL bar should still work too 16:36:07 <championquizzer> yeah 16:36:10 <donuts> I see why you thought it might be AV or a faulty install 16:37:00 <donuts> okay I'm afraid I have no idea either, haven't came across this one 16:38:13 <championquizzer> i will try to reproduce this if i can and follow up with them. let me know if you see this and/or find something about this 16:38:25 <championquizzer> thanks :) 16:38:28 <nah> will do 16:38:32 <donuts> thanks championquizzer! will do 16:39:03 <donuts> we good to move on with the agenda? 16:39:15 <championquizzer> yep, i'm good with the updates 16:39:20 <nah> same 16:40:03 <donuts> so following today's fun announcement, we'll need to find a new time for our friday 1:1s 😂 16:40:38 * nah opening the calendar 16:40:50 <donuts> how about thursday afternoon instead? hopefully we can dodge S9/30 and comms meetings 16:41:07 <donuts> please let me know what times work for you around then 16:41:47 <donuts> maybe we could do 1800 for nah (is that too late though?) and 1900 for nicob? 16:41:56 <donuts> lmk if it's outside your working hours nah 16:41:57 <nah> donuts: the hour after s30 meeting works for me 16:42:17 <nah> it's not :) 16:42:24 <nicob> oh yeah 1900 should wfm since comms is at 2000 now 16:42:24 <donuts> awesome, ty :) 16:42:32 <donuts> also awesome 16:42:46 <donuts> okay I'll just perma-move the recurring events for now 16:43:05 <donuts> if the grand experiment fails we can always move 'em back if we want, or leave fridays as a meeting-free zone in the longer term 16:43:17 <donuts> that might be nice anyway 16:43:39 <nah> yep! 16:43:50 <nicob> cool, thanks donuts! 16:43:54 <donuts> thank you both! 16:44:13 <donuts> okay I was humming about giving a couple of team/project updates before the meeting closes 16:44:15 <donuts> but you 16:44:20 <donuts> lol woops 16:44:25 <donuts> but you're all mostly up to speed anyway 16:44:49 <nah> :D 16:45:05 <donuts> the team roadmap has had an initial pass done for Q2: https://www.figma.com/file/n4ETd0cUkcfj3KyclJQnt3/UX-Team-Planning?node-id=0%3A1&t=TAfV4MJoGjj9oB29-1 16:45:10 <donuts> please let me know if anything needs moved 16:45:23 <donuts> otherwise we can chat about it in person in CR 16:45:55 <donuts> secondly, there's a whole lotta stuff going on for S9/30/131 this and next month – so I just wanted to say ty for all your hard work on those projects 16:46:32 <donuts> miraculously everything appears to be going pretty much to plan, and we're on track to close these projects by next quarter 16:47:01 <donuts> after which we'll refocus back to S9, S96 and S101 for the remainder of the year 16:47:44 <nicob> only thing I see on the road map that will prob need to be extended past the CR meeting is the annual report :) 16:48:59 <donuts> right, lemme take a look... 16:49:03 <championquizzer> thanks for all the hard work, ux team! \o/ 16:49:43 <donuts> nicob: is that better? 16:49:52 <donuts> championquizzer: thank YOU for all your hard work too! <3 16:49:52 <nicob> yeah looks good! ty 16:49:55 <nah> donuts: thanks for adapting the roadmap and sharing the good news! the first 3 months of the year were very intense :) 16:49:56 <donuts> awesome 16:50:08 <nah> also thank you championquizzer \o/ 16:50:11 <donuts> 😬 16:50:18 <nicob> thank you all!! :3 16:50:24 <championquizzer> :D 16:50:45 <donuts> okay let's end it on positive vibes :D 16:50:55 <championquizzer> have a good week! o/ 16:50:56 <nah> hehe 16:50:59 <nicob> \o/ 16:51:13 <donuts> thanks everyone! catch you online! 16:51:14 <donuts> #endmeeting