16:05:36 <donuts> #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting, 8 November 2022 16:05:36 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Nov 8 16:05:36 2022 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:05:36 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:05:40 <donuts> pad is here: 16:05:41 <donuts> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2022-keep 16:06:02 <donuts> please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda, or skip to adding your weekly updates 16:09:21 <nah> i'm done! 16:09:28 <championquizzer> me too 16:09:40 <donuts> okay two quick announcements: 16:09:50 <donuts> SOTO is tomorrow! But we'll talk about that in a sec 16:10:07 <nah> wohoo 16:10:58 <nah> championquizzer: i just pinged you in a ticket i've been working on 16:11:03 <donuts> Secondly 11.5.7 was shipped with a small patch to match up the locale from single-locale Tor Browsers to multi-locale versions when 12.0 gets released 16:11:07 <nah> ups 16:11:30 <donuts> Sorry nah, you want to go ahead? 16:11:33 <championquizzer> nah: ack! 16:11:38 <nah> i can go later 16:11:41 <nah> go for it, donuts 16:11:57 <donuts> okaydokes, SOTO slides are basically done! 16:12:03 <donuts> https://www.figma.com/file/hpFOx2b4I7nznw1UE6uiby/Presentations?node-id=1301%3A1285 16:12:06 <donuts> just a couple more to finish 16:12:33 <donuts> we did a lot of work this year, so it was hard choosing what should go in 16:12:54 <donuts> I'm going to do a practice run this afternoon, so if I run over (which is likely) I may need to remove a few more slides 16:13:00 <nah> wow, figma soto slides! 16:13:03 <championquizzer> v nice 16:13:32 <donuts> it was so much easier than jumping between Figma and something else :P 16:13:37 <donuts> hopefully it works fine tomorrow 16:14:01 <nah> hehe looks beautiful 16:14:09 <donuts> I've added the countries championquizzer has been forwarding user feedback from to the second map, since that's user research too 16:14:38 <donuts> I know we've had feedback from russia,iran and turkmenistan about blocking – but is the same true for belarus and china? 16:14:46 <donuts> or has user feedback from those countries been more limited? 16:15:18 <championquizzer> limited but we've surely had feeedback from these countries too 16:15:29 <championquizzer> from user support perspective 16:15:51 <donuts> fine, I'll keep them in – I think it's important to acknowledge that we're keeping an ear to the ground in censorship hotspots when we're talking about UR 16:16:45 <donuts> okay that's it from me! 16:16:55 <donuts> any questions/comments? or nah do you want to go ahead now? 16:17:08 <nah> sure, i'll be quick 16:17:13 <championquizzer> sounds good, donuts. the graphics looking very nice btw :) 16:17:33 <donuts> championquizzer: ty! a lot of it is nicob's hard work! 16:17:37 <nah> sorry - i need 5min 16:17:41 <nah> got a situation here 16:17:45 <donuts> nah: no worries 16:17:45 <nah> no 16:17:48 <nah> i'm ok now 16:17:50 <nah> sorry 16:17:51 <donuts> oh okay 16:18:10 <nah> ok, so, we've been working in a risk assessment for user research 16:18:16 <nah> in censored regions 16:18:39 <nah> the main goal for this is to avoid putting users at risk 16:18:45 <nah> while testing tor features 16:18:53 <nah> or any other tools that we test 16:19:07 <nah> for now, it's tor browser for desktop, tor browser for mobile and onionshare for mobile 16:19:56 <nah> an almost-to-go file has been created and shared to collect feedback 16:20:09 <donuts> \o/ 16:20:15 <nah> so we can restart our testing in the locations (censored regions) 16:20:35 <nah> i pinged gus, gaba, and others to share their thoughts on that :) 16:20:37 <nah> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/92#note_2852372 16:20:45 <donuts> awesome nah! 16:20:48 <championquizzer> great! 16:21:09 <nah> and that's it 16:21:43 <donuts> I'll be able to review it last I think (after everyone else's feedback has been added), I need to catch-up on some other work for sponsors after SOTO and then I'm going to be afk Wed-Fri next week 16:21:56 <donuts> but after that I should be free to start catching up on reviews :) 16:22:07 <nah> ty donuts! 16:22:26 <nah> meanwhile, fabby and i will be workin in the user research plan considering this file 16:22:33 <nah> so that later we can start recruiting testers 16:23:48 <donuts> sounds good! 16:24:45 <donuts> okay championquizzer, I think you're good to go next! 16:24:52 <championquizzer> ty 16:25:13 <championquizzer> user support report for october: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2022-November/003494.html 16:25:46 <championquizzer> i wanted to discuss about the developments from china that we're seeing 16:26:16 <championquizzer> ok, so you might notice the user support request from .cn has gone down significantly 16:26:38 <championquizzer> in sept we had about 180 tickets 16:26:58 <championquizzer> last month, it was 38 16:27:38 <championquizzer> looks like we have more users from cn, as per metrics \o/ 16:27:46 <nah> yess! 16:27:47 <championquizzer> https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-country.html?start=2022-08-10&end=2022-11-08&country=cn 16:27:53 <nah> i was checking it too 16:27:59 <nah> a lot more! 16:28:15 <championquizzer> i think the changes to connect assist is working well and the major factor here 16:28:15 <nah> so, do you think it's because of connection assist? 16:28:20 <nah> nice :)))) 16:28:25 <championquizzer> yep, i believe so 16:28:35 <nah> and also obfs4? 16:29:11 <championquizzer> other observation is that gettor bot (both telegram and email districutor) updates to latest TB version automatically 16:29:42 <championquizzer> so more users from .cn. .ir (i.e. countries which heavily rely on gettor for TB) are suing up to date browsers 16:29:48 <championquizzer> *using 16:29:57 <championquizzer> nah: yep 16:30:12 <nah> https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2022-08-10&end=2022-11-08&country=cn 16:30:27 <nah> championquizzer: nice! that's good news 16:30:43 <championquizzer> hehe, i was just going to paste that link. thanks! :p 16:31:37 <nah> that's really good news 16:31:57 <championquizzer> i'm still trying to gain more user feedback if what we are observing is actually what they are seeing as well. let's see how this goes 16:32:10 <nah> it seems donuts it's having internet issues 16:32:20 <championquizzer> oops. wb, donuts 16:32:32 <donuts> baha, thank you 16:32:33 <nah> championquizzer: yep, that was my next question 16:32:47 <donuts> I've been blaming my internet but I think something's up with my IRC client 16:32:47 <nah> championquizzer: how do they usually share feedback? RT? 16:32:59 <donuts> it keeps disconnecting and refusing to reconnect 16:33:10 <donuts> the last thing I read was this: 16:33:11 <donuts> [11:27:18] <championquizzer> i wanted to discuss about the developments from china that we're seeing 16:33:15 <donuts> could someone copy paste the backlog please? 16:34:02 <championquizzer> nah: mostly via email aka RT, yes ....but telegram seems to be popular now as well i.e. we are getting more and more cn users on telegram support channel 16:34:25 <donuts> nah has just PM'd me the backlog 16:34:27 <donuts> great news! 16:34:37 <nah> done, donuts 16:34:55 <donuts> thank you! 16:35:01 <donuts> that's fantastic 16:35:17 <donuts> bah, OFTC is still complaining that I haven't been identified, IRC is a pain 16:36:12 <nah> championquizzer: nice, i would love to have a look on the connection assist feedback, if you have any thing more specific 16:36:15 <nah> to share 16:36:16 <nah> on pvt :) 16:36:25 <nah> donuts: do you use irssi? 16:36:37 <donuts> nah: no, textual 7 16:36:39 <championquizzer> cool. i don't have annything specific right now..but will keep you in loop most definitely 16:36:48 <championquizzer> nah: ^ 16:36:57 <nah> thank you championquizzer ! 16:37:04 <donuts> yes, thanks championquizzer! 16:37:22 <donuts> okay I'm gonna call the meeting so I can grab something to eat before my next one 16:37:29 <donuts> unless there's anything else for today? 16:37:38 <championquizzer> i am good 16:37:46 <nah> same! 16:37:59 <donuts> thank you both! 16:38:02 <donuts> #endmeeting