13:59:27 <ggus> #startmeeting Community Team meeting - 2022-07-18
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13:59:28 <hackerncoder> hi
13:59:28 <nina13[m]> hi!
13:59:30 <ggus> hello everyone
13:59:36 <ggus> it's community team meeting time o/
13:59:39 <championquizzer> hello! o/
13:59:55 <rhatto> hey :)
13:59:57 <ggus> here's our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-community-team-2022-keep
14:00:06 <ggus> please add your updates
14:00:08 <raya[m]> o/
14:00:15 <ggus> and let me know when you're done with the pad
14:00:29 <emmapeel> o/
14:02:37 <raya[m]> done!
14:02:44 <championquizzer> same :)
14:03:10 <emmapeel> same
14:04:21 <rhatto> done
14:05:31 <ggus> great!
14:05:46 <nina13[m]> done
14:05:46 <ggus> our first topic today is about 11.5 release
14:05:58 <ggus> ty, nina13[m]!
14:06:03 <ggus> * TB 11.5 user feedback
14:06:58 <ggus> last week applications team released TB 11.5, which contains some important features like connect assist and https-only
14:07:13 <ggus> nina13[m]: championquizzer: did we hear anything from censored users about connect assist?
14:07:17 <ggus> or any other feedback?
14:07:54 <championquizzer> nina13[m] found this bug https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41059
14:08:12 <nina13[m]> and the user just got it too
14:08:14 <championquizzer> seems we got another report of this just now
14:08:16 <championquizzer> yeah
14:08:36 <nina13[m]> got a ticket on cdr.link a minute ago
14:08:43 <ggus> ohh interesting
14:09:29 <nina13[m]> I thought it could be macos-related, but linux affected too
14:09:44 <championquizzer> yeah, not platform specific
14:10:19 <donuts> yep, I've renamed the ticket accordingly – thanks nina13[m]!
14:10:34 <ggus> hopefully it doesn't affect users from censored countries
14:11:13 <ggus> talking about it, last week the censorship in Turkmenistan started to target tor vanilla connections - https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html?start=2022-04-19&end=2022-07-18&country=tm&events=off
14:11:43 <championquizzer> ggus: i don't see any other things right now but have made a point in my agenda for the coming weeks to look for this type of user feedback and sync with donuts and applications
14:12:14 <ggus> championquizzer: ok, sound great!
14:12:38 <ggus> one of the countries that's part of the connection assist circumvention map is Turkmenistan.
14:12:41 <championquizzer> re. tm. yeah, we are seeing a lot of tm users on RT over the weekend too
14:12:57 <ggus> https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2022-04-19&end=2022-07-18&country=tm
14:13:19 <nina13[m]> I've got info that connection assist does not help in TM
14:13:29 <nina13[m]> will ask other users about it
14:13:37 <championquizzer> ty nina13[m]
14:13:37 <ggus> on metrics, obfs4 seems unaffected by the censorship
14:14:18 <nina13[m]> but many obfs4 bridges don't work there
14:15:30 <ggus> i wonder if we should ask more operators to deploy new bridges using the bucket "settings" (the bucket that connection assist use) or what
14:15:30 <nina13[m]> as for connection assist - many user in TM use TB for Android, not a desktop one
14:15:45 <ggus> nina13[m]: oh, interesting!
14:15:48 <championquizzer> (also related: https://forum.torproject.net/t/help-us-test-the-new-connection-assist-in-tor-browser-alpha/3654/4)
14:18:11 <ggus> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/censorship-analysis/-/issues/40029#note_2821517
14:18:19 <ggus> championquizzer: see valdikss comment
14:18:52 <championquizzer> i see
14:19:08 <championquizzer> interesting
14:19:29 <ggus> championquizzer: you could reply to that user pointing valdikss comment
14:19:39 <championquizzer> ack
14:20:15 <ggus> nina13[m]: do you know if front desk private bridges are also blocked there?
14:20:58 <nina13[m]> ggus: Yes, they are reported to be blocked
14:23:05 <ggus> nina13[m]: do you know which type of bridges are working, like a specific bridgeDB bucket / port? and do you know if there are any difference wrt censorship between using mobile connection and residential wifi/cable?
14:24:12 <nina13[m]> I asked, one user told me it works the same for cable and mobile
14:24:56 <nina13[m]> And I don't see any reasons why some bridges work and other don't
14:25:50 <nina13[m]> Often they work and then (fast enough) are being blocked
14:27:53 <ggus> nina13[m]: do you remember that list of private bridges that i shared with you from one operator? do you know if it works in TM?
14:27:59 <nina13[m]> The port 443 was praised by users, as better working
14:28:06 <ggus> nina13[m]: i could ask that person to run more bridges
14:28:48 <nina13[m]> ggus: The had beef working for a month than were blocked
14:29:58 <nina13[m]> ggus: We can ask and then check how it would work
14:30:11 <ggus> nina13[m]: mmm! ok, maybe TM is blocking some popular Tor friendly ISPs. we may need different providers
14:30:56 <nina13[m]> I know they block huge groups of ip addresses if it is important
14:32:25 <ggus> nina13[m]: do you know if 'moat' still works for them?
14:33:06 <nina13[m]> Not sure, but I can ask
14:33:40 <ggus> there's a spike on https distributor - https://metrics.torproject.org/bridgedb-distributor.html
14:33:55 <ggus> i thought it could be users from TM
14:34:37 <ggus> but it looks like the spike started in july
14:35:06 <nina13[m]> Interesting. I will ask to check that
14:38:30 <ggus> nina13[m]: championquizzer: for TM, what about this plan: 1. investigation. let's ask users to test some bridges from popular providers like Hetzner and see if it still works. if that doesn't work, we can try other low profile ISPs. 2. upgrade TB. Meanwhile, let's ask them to upgrade to the latest TB. 3. new bridges. if we discover which ISPs are still reachable from TM, we can ask operators to deploy
14:38:36 <ggus> bridges there and use 'settings' as the bridgedistribution method.
14:38:39 <ggus> what do you think?
14:39:47 <championquizzer> sounds good to me!
14:39:52 <nina13[m]> Sounds good!!
14:40:02 <ggus> i could spin more private bridges, but finding which ISPs are still reachable from TM would be important
14:40:33 <ggus> ok! any other user feedback about TB 11.5 release?
14:41:19 <championquizzer> i'm good :)
14:41:30 <raya[m]> l10n lab just reported that khmer font doesn't render on tb 11.5, emmapeel is on it
14:41:37 <championquizzer> ohh
14:41:59 <raya[m]> sorry it seems on tb alpha!
14:42:43 <emmapeel> yes, i think it works well in 11.5. can somebody that is not on Tails confirm?
14:43:02 <emmapeel> just open https://www.torproject.org/km/
14:43:21 <emmapeel> and you should see the beautiful khmer chars instead of squares
14:43:31 <ggus> it works fine here (linux)
14:43:50 <championquizzer> works fine for me too (debian linux)
14:44:46 <emmapeel> ok. it seems it does not work in alpha, but it works in stable
14:45:21 <ggus> emmapeel: are you going to open a bug on gitlab after the meeting?
14:46:10 <ggus> i'll move to the last topic
14:46:23 <ggus> * TB 11.5 documentation
14:46:42 <ggus> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/web/support/-/issues/298
14:46:51 <ggus> championquizzer: any updates here?
14:47:29 <championquizzer> yep, working on it. This (and other stuff related to TB 11.5 update) should be done by this week
14:47:48 <championquizzer> the other one https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/support/-/issues/40073
14:49:13 <ggus> ok! do you need any help from us?
14:49:33 <championquizzer> is ok! But will let you all know :)
14:50:00 <ggus> great! thank you, championquizzer
14:50:26 <ggus> we still have 9 minutes before wrapping up. any other topic that you would like to discuss?
14:51:51 <trinity[m]> (sorry if this is not the right place) the link to blog.tpo in a linkedin post about Tor annual report has been flagged as a malware (post in question: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tor-project_the-tor-project-2020-2021-annual-report-activity-6945781844504166401-49ST)
14:52:08 <ggus> :O
14:52:49 <nina13[m]> I can confirm
14:53:09 <ggus> trinity[m]: i'll ping comms team about this. thanks for letting us know.
14:53:48 <emmapeel> malware? wow
14:55:17 <ggus> alright, i'll stop the bot. we can continue discussing on #tor-project :)
14:55:22 <ggus> thanks everyone!
14:55:24 <ggus> #endmeeting