14:00:02 <ggus> #startmeeting Community Team Meeting - 2021-12-13 14:00:02 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Dec 13 14:00:02 2021 UTC. The chair is ggus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:02 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:08 <ggus> hi everyone! 14:00:09 <championquizzer> hello all o/ 14:00:22 <miko[m]> hi championquizzer ! 14:00:26 <ggus> Starting now the community team meeting o/ 14:00:36 <championquizzer> hello miko[m] 14:00:38 <ggus> here's our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-community-team-2021-keep 14:00:47 <ggus> please add your updates 14:01:05 <ggus> and then we will discuss our agenda :) 14:02:41 <emmapeel> ggus: when we write 'this week' do we mean the one that just passed, or the next week? i mean, do we write what we plan to do, or what we did? 14:03:22 <ggus> what we plan to do, but feel free to add "last week" too 14:03:23 <championquizzer> i only write the stuff i want to do this week 14:03:33 <emmapeel> i see. thanks 14:03:59 <championquizzer> and if the same thing appears in consecutive weeks i try to add updates 14:04:13 <gaba> last week is what we use in other teams for updates from last week 14:04:17 <gaba> i see you are adding it emmapeel 14:04:28 <emmapeel> yes 14:04:41 <emmapeel> i separated into last and this noe 14:04:46 <emmapeel> *now 14:06:05 <miko[m]> im done too! 14:07:24 <ggus> done 14:08:55 <ggus> looks like people are done, let's start 14:09:04 <emmapeel> im done yes 14:09:06 <ggus> * Russia update 14:09:22 <ggus> Last week Tor was officially blocked in Russia 14:09:43 <ggus> since then we're receiving a lot of user support requests in .ru 14:10:47 <ggus> there are news articles about the ongoing situation in Russia in different languages 14:11:39 <championquizzer> yes! the frontdesk template we created for this issue has been used ~100 times (probably more) 14:11:41 <ggus> you can see how this is impacting users by looking this graph: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-country.html?start=2021-09-14&end=2021-12-13&country=ru 14:11:51 <emmapeel> ggus: is the connection to Tor blocked, or the website? i mean now 14:12:05 <ggus> emmapeel: both 14:12:33 <ggus> website *.torproject.org block is happening in more ISPs 14:12:36 <emmapeel> damn 14:12:45 * gman999 lurking 14:12:52 <gman999> you mean just in .ru ggus? 14:13:15 <emmapeel> gman999: yes, we are talking about the Russian situation 14:13:17 <ggus> and in some isps, i heard that are located in Moscow, tor connections are blocked and users need a bridge 14:13:40 <gman999> what about .ru relays? what is the situation with those? 14:13:59 <ggus> gman999: some relays are going offline 14:14:13 <ggus> and relays operators are reaching out to us to understand what's happening 14:14:48 <gman999> rough 14:14:57 <ggus> https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/country:ru%20type:relay%20running:false%20 14:15:17 <darkk> *.torproject.org is blocked for ~90% of user-facing ISPs, the network is blocked for some smallish number of ISPs. I've not heard any reports but ones coming from some subset of Moscow ISPs & mobile networks. 14:15:20 <ggus> not all of them are offline because of the censorship 14:15:56 <emmapeel> thanks darkk 14:17:02 <ggus> so, last week we published a blog post - https://blog.torproject.org/tor-censorship-in-russia/ and anti-censorship team is doing an awesome work to unblock tor and mitigate this censorship 14:18:14 <ggus> and also last week, we wrote a Rapid Response Fund project for this situation 14:18:32 <ggus> the project will allows us to hire a translator and a part time user support person 14:18:43 <ggus> plus other anti-censorship tasks 14:19:20 <emmapeel> yes! 14:19:22 <ggus> for example, improving our telegram bot for bridges and get some funding for dynamic bridges 14:19:50 <ggus> we didn't hear from this fund yet, but we believe this week we will have an answer from them. 14:20:24 <miko[m]> wow! 14:21:39 <ggus> and you can read more updates about Tor and this situation here: https://twitter.com/torproject/status/1469076697588842498 14:23:02 <ggus> questions? or other thoughts about this topic? 14:23:22 <ggus> we're interviewing today two potential candidates for helping us on user support 14:23:29 <championquizzer> nice! 14:23:36 <ggus> darkk: i will answer your email today 14:23:40 <emmapeel> i would like us to learn from this situation and maybe have a list of steps to take when it happens 14:23:59 <emmapeel> to maybe use when other country does the same 14:24:32 <ggus> yeah, in january we could do a retrospective 14:24:33 <emmapeel> and i think it wuld be nice that we have one place where we can know what is the situation now, how can you help if you are in Russia, if you are not... 14:25:04 <ggus> what to do in a case of fire 14:25:08 <emmapeel> yeah 14:25:56 <emmapeel> maybe also we can create such a document along with the anticensorship team 14:26:07 <championquizzer> +1 to this idea. We also need to put this at multiple places so that it's more accessible (in case of domain blocks) 14:26:47 <championquizzer> have we ever documented incidents like these? maybe on trac at some point in the history? 14:27:41 <ggus> there are tickets and blog posts about censorship in Iran, China... 14:27:44 <ggus> Belarus 14:28:09 <championquizzer> right 14:28:18 <emmapeel> it would be nice if somebody(tm) writes some sort of report 14:28:34 <ggus> ooni is about to publish their report 14:29:01 <emmapeel> oh great 14:29:11 <emmapeel> their reports are exactly what i meant 14:29:15 <ggus> but their tests only covers tor browser built-in bridges, vanilla tor connections, and torproject.org website connectivity 14:29:27 <ggus> it probably won't include how snowflake was blocked 14:30:36 <ggus> alright anything else about Tor censored in Russia? 14:32:10 <gman999> for low-latency purposes for .by and .ru, .lt is ideal location wise... 14:32:27 <gman999> IIRC.. since i looked at this a while ago. 14:32:33 <gman999> just an fyi 14:32:47 <ggus> nice! i didn't know 14:32:56 <gman999> heaving peering b/w .by and .lt 14:33:08 <gman999> most traffic peered that way and not through PL, etc. 14:34:24 <ggus> i will move to the next topic: * Bridges Campaign 14:35:02 <ggus> because of last week situation, we got a lot of new bridges! 14:35:10 <emmapeel> <3 14:35:20 <emmapeel> yeah, translators were the same heh 14:35:44 <ggus> https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/type:bridge%20running:true%20first_seen_days:0-6 14:36:03 <championquizzer> awesome 14:36:25 <ggus> great to see the community answering our call! :) 14:36:48 <miko[m]> 391 entries :o 14:36:48 <ggus> our campaign goal was 200 new obfs4 bridges 14:37:12 <ggus> and people deployed in 1 week all these bridges. 14:37:33 <championquizzer> for the length of campaign: https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/type:bridge%20running:true%20first_seen_days:0-25 14:38:18 <gman999> great stuff 14:39:08 <ggus> serge is busy these days, gman999 14:39:25 <ggus> we will need to review the campaign rewards asap 14:39:30 <gman999> yes... but not abnormal number of connections tbh 14:39:40 <ggus> and update the blog post 14:40:18 <ggus> as we can't give rewards for all these new operators 14:41:57 <ggus> gman999: let's see if the censorship moves to a country wide tor block 14:42:11 <ggus> then serge will have to deal with 300k users :) 14:42:18 <gman999> ha 14:42:21 <emmapeel> phew 14:42:32 <ggus> we had some spikes in Iran some years ago 14:42:37 <gman999> i track fstat (like lsof) and netstat 14:42:38 <miko[m]> don't participants need to apply separately to the bridge campaign to be eligible for rewards? or are all these new bridges applying for the rewards? 14:42:50 <gman999> i dump to a file every 3" or so. 14:43:04 <gman999> i can graph that out .. . i have the data since aug 14:43:17 <ggus> miko: they need to apply separately 14:43:26 <ggus> but they are applying on frontdesk@ and on the forum 14:43:32 <championquizzer> and a lot of them have applied 14:43:35 <championquizzer> yes 14:43:41 <gman999> there must be something cheaper to do for all of them 14:43:42 <miko[m]> !!! 14:44:21 <ggus> gman999: yeah, maybe stickers is low cost? 14:44:34 <emmapeel> maybe we could offere free advertisement on torproject page? if they want a link to something 14:44:42 <gman999> how many tshirts as rewards were offered? 14:44:56 <gman999> maybe cover soem of the cost through another grant? 14:45:00 <gman999> just a thought 14:45:34 <miko[m]> socks are neat and smaller just saying xD 14:45:39 <ggus> 10 kits with a hoodie, 20 kits with a tshirt, 10 tshirts for random operators 14:46:03 <gman999> then *something* to the others then... 14:46:34 <gman999> even though nothing was promised 14:46:41 <ggus> right, i will update the ticket before the holiday break 14:46:59 <ggus> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/relays/-/issues/24 14:47:23 <ggus> we have another topic 14:47:32 <ggus> on our agenda 14:47:41 <ggus> * Outreachy - Review Relay Operator Survey - https://pad.riseup.net/p/c2Tiel6twPpOKFNhTUoZ-keep 14:48:01 <ggus> Miko is working on this survey 14:48:03 <ggus> for relay operators 14:48:23 <ggus> this is part of her internship project 14:48:39 <ggus> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/relays/-/issues/27 14:49:06 <ggus> miko: do you have a deadline for feedback? 14:49:55 <miko[m]> by the end of this week maybe we could launch the final questionnaire? 14:50:16 <miko[m]> and let it collect responses up to Jan 10 14:50:20 <ggus> sounds good! 14:51:05 <ggus> gman999: if you can share your feedback regarding the questionnaire, that would be helpful 14:51:10 <miko[m]> so i think i have this week to collect feedback from experts here 14:51:24 <gman999> me? why would anyone care about what i think? 14:51:27 <ggus> nice! i think it's doable! 14:51:35 <gman999> seriously... we need the known unknown ppl 14:51:39 <ggus> gman999: that's a great question! :P 14:51:45 <gman999> lol 14:52:07 <gman999> we've got to engage the new/quiet ops ppl. 14:52:28 <gman999> tpo community as we know it is only a small fraction of the actual community IMHO 14:52:41 <ggus> gman999: i mean, we want your feedback regarding the questions. but you can skip answering the survey. 14:52:46 <gman999> :) 14:52:52 <gman999> lmfao... oops... got it 14:52:53 <gman999> sorry 14:53:04 <ggus> but you can also answer the survey!!! 14:53:10 <ggus> hahah 14:53:18 <miko[m]> hehehe 14:54:10 <gman999> oops! 14:54:25 <miko[m]> please write any concerns wherever you like xD 14:54:45 <miko[m]> or if there's something i have missed do lmk 14:54:58 <gman999> great miko... 14:55:09 <gman999> i'll def have some input, but looks good 14:55:37 <miko[m]> thank you! by all means take your time :D 14:55:56 <gman999> what i'm *really* curious about is operators past experiences running internet accessilbe services... 14:56:03 <gman999> or if a relay is their first 14:56:19 <gman999> since if it's their first then we need more basic sysadmin education 14:56:35 <gman999> ntpd not rdate, single purpose server, etc. 14:56:56 <ggus> good observation 14:57:11 <ggus> gman999: let's follow up on #tor-relays 14:57:24 <gman999> it's been an issue to me for a long long time ... 14:57:28 <gman999> cool. 14:57:34 <ggus> i will need to stop the bot since i have another meeting starting in 2 minutes 14:57:34 <miko[m]> noted! 14:57:43 <gman999> sooo popular ggus 14:57:49 <ggus> thank you miko for working on this! 14:58:07 <ggus> thanks everyone! o/ 14:58:08 <ggus> #stopmeeting 14:58:11 <gman999> ty ggus 14:58:12 <miko[m]> thank you all for your insights! 14:58:16 <championquizzer> thanks all! o/ 14:58:20 <championquizzer> have a great week 14:58:26 * GeKo hands ggus an #endmeeting 14:58:39 <ggus> #endmeeting