16:00:19 <cohosh> #startmeeting anti-censorship meeting 16:00:19 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Apr 15 16:00:19 2021 UTC. The chair is cohosh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:19 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:45 <cohosh> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-anti-censorship-keep 16:00:54 <cohosh> dcf1: thanks for running the meeting last week 16:01:19 <dcf1> no problem 16:02:06 <cohosh> there's not much on the agenda for today 16:02:49 <cohosh> looks like microsoft still hasn't cut off our access to domain fronting 16:04:06 <cohosh> i've started putting together our march monthly report: https://pad.riseup.net/p/s_4y64GAf7y7foF_IKEK 16:04:15 <cohosh> so if anyone wants to add to it, feel free 16:05:39 <cohosh> the only discussion point is whether we want to select a reading for our next reading group 16:06:09 <cohosh> i would be down to discuss some of this throttling work 16:07:25 <dcf1> so far there's just the online report, no peer-reviewed publication yet 16:07:38 <dcf1> maybe we could get a censored planet person to discuss it with us 16:07:54 <cohosh> yeah that would be cool 16:08:11 <arma2> i bet we could get roya to engage if we asked 16:08:11 <cohosh> we've done readings in the past that weren't peer reviewed 16:08:27 <arma2> (or also eric etc, many options) 16:08:41 <cohosh> but we could also wait on it if it's work in progress and we want to see what else happens first 16:09:12 <cohosh> seems like there is a lot of potential discussion for future work and how we understand blocking :) 16:09:35 <cohosh> before we pick it, are there any other suggestions? 16:10:33 <dcf1> I'm looking at https://github.com/net4people/bbs/wiki/Reading-list 16:10:50 <dcf1> There is a new one I added a couple days ago from usenix security 2021, "domain shadowing" 16:11:08 <cohosh> oh yeah! we had the authors write a blog post for us that is still in the works 16:11:19 <cohosh> so they would probably be interested in joining for discussion 16:11:34 <dcf1> I skimmed it and at first didn't seem to see what it is doing differently than CacheBrowsing, except that you configure the CDn to point to other people's domains 16:11:40 <dcf1> oh great 16:11:58 <cohosh> okay let's pick that actually since we are currently engaging with the authors 16:12:21 <cohosh> and then we can see if there are any developments in the throttling work and leave it for a future discussion 16:13:15 <cohosh> this is stuff is also interesting: https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/68 16:14:00 <dcf1> someone got back a couple weeks ago to say they were doing experiments from China on that, but I haven't heard any results 16:15:18 <dcf1> yesterday someone posted what appears to be leaked schedule of what VPNs Roskomnadzor plans to try to block in the next 2 years, but there's no proof of its authenticity 16:15:22 <dcf1> https://ntc.party/t/rkn-will-try-to-block-the-following-vpn-services/1022 16:16:23 <dcf1> Tor is not on the list (neither is PIA, as valdikss points out) 16:16:34 <cohosh> woah nice 16:17:39 <cohosh> is goodbyedpi considered a VPN? 16:18:26 <dcf1> not really as I understand it, it doesn't interpose a proxy. you just connect directly to the distination using various flow-reconstruction-foiling tricks. 16:20:48 <cohosh> hm okay i see valdikss comment on the credibility 16:22:27 <cohosh> alright, unless there are objections i'll announce domain shadowing for the next discussion and see what we need to do to get the blog post published 16:22:47 <cohosh> sounds like we have some good ideas for future sessions as well 16:22:55 <cohosh> anything else to discuss this week? 16:23:47 <dcf1> I haven't forgotten snowflake!31, just haven't had time yet 16:24:14 <cohosh> okay no worries, it's not blocking me right now 16:24:19 <agix> hi 16:24:26 <cohosh> agix: hey! 16:24:56 <gaba> cohosh: did you see the issues from irl? no rush but it would be good to have a reply there https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/metrics/collector/-/issues/40002 16:25:04 <gaba> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/metrics/relay-search/-/issues/40003 16:26:12 <cohosh> gaba: yes, and i probably won't have time to work on them in the next couple weeks 16:26:22 <agix> cohosh hey 16:26:28 <cohosh> do you need feedback on something or just the actual bridgestrap work? 16:27:14 <cohosh> this would also be a good first task for meskio once he starts :) 16:27:47 <arma2> agreed ("hi, here's a codebase!" :) 16:28:24 <gaba> only a reply with timeline for iain to organize himself with work 16:28:31 <gaba> yes! 16:28:34 <cohosh> lol we used this ticket as our hiring programming challenge 16:28:58 <arma2> even better 16:29:07 <cohosh> or a slight modification of it 16:29:09 <cohosh> anyway 16:29:26 <cohosh> i'll respond with a timeline, thanks gaba! 16:31:28 * cohosh waits another minute to see if there's anything else before closing the meeting 16:33:02 <cohosh> #endmeeting