14:00:30 <antonela> #startmeeting ux team 14:00:30 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Jan 14 14:00:30 2020 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:30 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:35 <antonela> hello folks o/ 14:00:43 <antonela> a new ux team sync this week 14:00:50 <nah> o/ 14:00:55 <antonela> please use our regular pad to add topics for discussion or updates https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2020-keep 14:01:00 <antonela> oi emmapeel, diogosergio, nah 14:01:09 <emmapeel> o/ 14:01:52 <antonela> how are you people 14:02:52 <emmapeel> i can say im back from vacations finally, although a bit stressed wtih all tails releases 14:03:27 <antonela> how are the pumpinks growing this winter emmapeel? 14:04:19 <emmapeel> got lots of pumpkins, mine and also swapping. nice warty pumpkins from neighbours, my lip balm was very succesfull for barter 14:04:39 <antonela> niice 14:05:06 <emmapeel> i will make sure you get one 14:05:15 <pili> hi, sorry, late as usual :( 14:05:19 <pili> here now though :) 14:05:22 <c1e0> o/ 14:05:42 <antonela> hi pili, hi c1e0 14:05:59 <antonela> emmapeel: :) 14:06:34 <antonela> okey, lets start 14:06:47 <diogosergio> Im back from Holidays too, so now ready to get back to contribute. 14:07:27 <antonela> there is a chance i can make fosdem, i'll define it end of this week / next week 14:07:51 <antonela> for what we talked about in the middle of the week, there is going to be an space (am i right?) for research 14:08:07 <emmapeel> im losing the will of travelling again... ufff ... feel like staying home 14:08:20 <antonela> i'll be already in berlin so is not so hard 14:08:21 <diogosergio> i'm working on my presentation, would be good to meet you guys and if help is needed over there 14:08:26 <antonela> oh nice diogosergio 14:08:38 <antonela> nah and ggus and pili are going to be there for sure 14:08:39 <emmapeel> also no booth that is the place where i truly shine :D 14:08:44 <antonela> haha 14:09:05 <pili> diogosergio: will you be at fosdem then? :) 14:09:07 <antonela> you are our conversion boost emmapeel 14:09:08 <nah> antonela: i think the space is at the offdem 14:09:17 <pili> nah: antonela yup! 14:09:26 <emmapeel> antonela: i can give you tips on signal :D 14:09:32 <antonela> hahah please 14:09:39 <diogosergio> pili: yes :) doing my first presentation ever.. 14:09:48 <antonela> so, pili, how is the space? any link to learn more? 14:10:01 <antonela> nah: we can start pre screening / testing onion services 14:10:06 <pili> https://ps.zoethical.org/t/tor-relay-operators-meeting/3083/5 14:10:34 <pili> that's the thread about the relay operators meetup which we are _not_ going to do there 14:11:00 <pili> but there are other opportunities to meet with other communities we want to help 14:11:16 <pili> antonela: we have the opportunity to ask for a space/time to do something 14:11:34 <pili> I wanted to coordinate with others that will be there first though 14:11:45 <pili> my talk is on saturday afternoon 14:12:04 <pili> and I'm helping out with the decentralized internet and privacy devroom on sunday 14:12:13 <antonela> i cannot commit to organize stuff pili, i'm just willing to join what is happening 14:12:30 <pili> antonela: that's fine and expected :) 14:13:05 <pili> I can go ahead and suggest an AMA session with Tor people at OFFDEM 14:13:14 <pili> and it would be nice if others can join me 14:13:20 <pili> and during that time we can do some testing 14:13:23 <ggus> I can :) 14:13:28 <antonela> sure, i can 14:13:39 <nah> me too 14:13:45 <ggus> ATA: Ask Tor Anything 14:13:52 <antonela> :) 14:13:53 <emmapeel> heh 14:13:54 <pili> so it would be good to know what availability/plans other people have so it's not just me :D 14:14:11 <weasel> AT AT 14:14:18 <antonela> hola weasel :) 14:14:47 <antonela> will we see the weasel's in fosdem this year? 14:14:56 <nah> pili: i'm not presenting anything \o/ 14:14:57 <weasel> haven't planned on that yet. 14:15:07 <antonela> same, lets plan :) 14:15:28 <antonela> okey, so nah lets sync together on that 14:15:30 <weasel> I'm just slowly surfacing. anyway, this channel is logged. so not here :) 14:15:41 <pili> ok, I'm going to tentatively suggest Saturday morning to be at OFFDEM, what does everyone else think? 14:16:00 * diogosergio *thumbsup* 14:16:07 * antonela knows nothing about the schedule but 14:16:10 <antonela> yes sounds good pili 14:16:33 <nah> works for me 14:16:38 <antonela> super 14:16:41 <antonela> anything else regarding fosdem? 14:16:51 <antonela> diogosergio: which is your session? could we have the details? 14:17:00 <antonela> is the open design folks room? or? 14:17:09 <nah> about the testing there - should we talk here or at #ux-team? 14:17:09 <diogosergio> Yes, design. 14:17:21 <antonela> nice, will stop by so :) 14:17:44 <diogosergio> https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/git_workflow_for_design_in_os_projects/ 14:18:02 <pili> oooh, nice one 14:18:09 <pili> I will try to attend 14:18:29 <nah> antonela: maybe it's a good opportunity to test both downloading page and onion services for users 14:18:58 <antonela> yes, lets plan on that 14:19:00 <pili> diogosergio: do you want to add it here? https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2020Brussels#TalksatFOSDEM 14:19:25 <diogosergio> yes, would be great 14:19:30 <antonela> yes! good stuff diogosergio 14:19:46 <diogosergio> Thanks guys! 14:20:15 <antonela> oki, anything else on fosdem? pili? 14:20:59 <pili> I'll be here on Friday: https://hsbxl.be/events/byteweek/2020/opensourcedesign/ 14:21:06 <pili> trying to learn something :) 14:21:12 <antonela> hsbxl is an awesome space 14:21:34 <pili> and I think that is all for me and UX/FOSDEM stuff 14:21:55 <antonela> nice nice 14:23:05 <antonela> okey, google summer of code 14:23:16 <antonela> projects, yes we have 14:23:34 <antonela> the styleguide maintenance that didnt make it last year? 14:24:08 <pili> yup, there's a few, I just need to go digging through my email to find them :) 14:24:27 <pili> and I know we always have lots of good automation/workflow ideas that could be suitable 14:25:00 <pili> even lektor plugin development and other related work 14:25:07 <pili> antonela: would you be confident mentoring/co-mentoring something? 14:26:02 <antonela> i think so 14:26:12 <antonela> if it is going to be development work we maybe want hiro to join this effort 14:27:06 <antonela> some work in TBA which doesnt have funding needs to be done too, not sure if is suitable for a student 14:27:10 <pili> ryup 14:27:11 <pili> *yup ;) 14:27:19 <antonela> but yes, we have projects 14:27:37 <antonela> when is the application deadline? 14:27:56 <hiro> I don't think lektor development is something exciting enough for GSOC 14:28:23 <antonela> but css and styleguide could be 14:28:44 <antonela> aunque, is python and people like python 14:29:25 <hiro> I'd check past GSOC projects and see what's in there 14:29:31 <antonela> what is the timeframe to collect projects pili? 14:29:37 <pili> antonela: sometime in february, I need to double check 14:29:45 <pili> that's the submission deadline 14:29:55 <pili> would be good to have something by the end of the month 14:30:00 <pili> for our internal deadline 14:30:01 <antonela> got it 14:30:23 <pili> 5th February 14:30:33 <pili> Applications for orgs open today 14:31:00 <hiro> why was tor rejected last time? 14:31:07 <pili> hiro: I think we could have some big website related projects that include lektor and other things :) 14:31:22 <pili> hiro: not sure, there's a few theories :) 14:31:38 <pili> we don't know for sure though 14:31:58 <antonela> weird, anws 14:32:07 <antonela> anything else on gsoc 14:32:07 <antonela> ? 14:32:44 <hiro> I don't want to jump onto anyone's toes but I think website development thrown into GSOC is not a good idea because I think google wasts exciting projects and html and css isn't exciting 14:33:12 <hiro> TBA and other stuff of the kind is the kind of stuff they might be looking at 14:33:49 <pili> hiro: fair enough :) 14:33:53 <hiro> but that's just my opinion 14:34:09 <hiro> so feel free to put that forward if you feel otherwise 14:34:19 <pili> I agree with you about them wanting exciting projects 14:35:00 <pili> and that html and css are not challenging enough for GSoC 14:35:05 <pili> I thought that there may have been things beyond that that we could do 14:35:31 <antonela> even for a frontend padawan? 14:35:39 <pili> if there isn't we can just look for projects/mentors in other teams 14:36:03 <emmapeel> frontend padawan <3 14:36:13 * antonela forever padawan 14:36:25 <pili> e.g maybe some stuff with website analytics 14:36:59 <pili> I don't know, we can go off and think about it 14:37:13 <antonela> could be, we can talk more about it during the www meeting this week 14:37:31 <antonela> nah: you next? 14:37:45 <nah> ok 14:37:58 <nah> we've been working on a research around new features for onion services. 14:38:21 <nah> this research is for (1) developers and (2) users of onion services in general 14:38:34 <nah> before releasing it, we want some inside volunteers to test the research 14:38:43 <nah> so we can see if the flow works 14:39:06 <nah> so, this is a call for anyone who is available for testing the user research on onion service 14:39:38 <nah> it will take only 5 min of your life, ideally :) 14:39:51 <nah> so if you can participate, ping me, please 14:40:01 <antonela> perfect nah :) 14:40:05 <antonela> thanks for moving this forward 14:40:41 <antonela> we have S27 meeting right after this one so i'll call for volunteers there too :) 14:40:57 <antonela> im sure devs will have suggestions and questions as well 14:41:03 <nah> thanks! :) 14:41:05 <pili> antonela: +1 great idea 14:41:28 <pili> nah: I can help to test the research 14:41:53 <nah> thanks pili! 14:41:54 <diogosergio> I can help out too, just ping you. 14:42:14 <nah> thanks diogosergio ! 14:42:55 <nah> i write to you two by the end of the meeting ;) 14:43:35 <emmapeel> make it three! 14:44:15 <nah> perfect! 14:44:22 <antonela> nice, thanks folks for volunteering :) 14:45:04 <antonela> i added to the agenda two lines which i copy pasted from last week 14:45:21 <antonela> diogosergio: there are two tickets we triaged that are call for design 14:45:41 <antonela> if you are familiar with linux, i'd love to have a solution for that ancient ticket :) 14:46:10 <diogosergio> Okay, I will have a look. 14:47:17 <antonela> feel free to ping us or tbb-devs about it in the ticket 14:47:22 <antonela> thanks diogosergio :) 14:47:24 <diogosergio> I've been also looking at the download page and exploring some concepts for the verify signature section/page. 14:47:41 <antonela> ohh nice 14:47:52 <antonela> did you see the version we are currently testing? 14:48:04 <antonela> https://lektor-staging.torproject.org/tpo/develop/download/ 14:48:40 <emmapeel> i feel on marmot day, lets update it! 14:48:53 <antonela> i think the download flow is prior for ux/www this month so i'm happy to review your stuff regarding that diogosergio 14:49:01 <diogosergio> Ah yes, its pretty similar to what I had imagined, I went a bit out of scope and just explored some ideas to re-arrange the page. 14:49:36 <antonela> are you updating any ticket in trac or dip? 14:49:47 <antonela> make sure your versions get uploaded somewhere :) 14:49:49 <antonela> for the records 14:50:03 <diogosergio> Will do. 14:50:16 <antonela> super, thank you 14:50:34 <antonela> i think that is all what we had in the agenda 14:50:37 <antonela> anything else? 14:50:52 <antonela> good readings at the end 14:51:20 <nah> i'm good 14:51:29 <emmapeel> did some updates to the translations docs, not sure how to position stuff 14:51:41 <emmapeel> i mean, we have to leave trac, right? 14:51:59 <antonela> i want to leave trac, personally 14:52:00 <antonela> yes 14:52:12 <emmapeel> i have some docs in trac and thinking where to put them.. i am not sure 14:52:41 <emmapeel> i mean i am the only editor of the docs but somehow i feel the community portal a place not meant to host a wiki 14:53:09 <antonela> i agree 14:53:29 <antonela> do you think dip is a good place to host the wiki? 14:53:38 <emmapeel> anyway if somebody wants to help me find a place for my docs at https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/translation is welcome. there is a mess also with the localization lab docs 14:53:41 <pili> emmapeel: did we not create a localization project in dip in the end? :) 14:53:44 <pili> (I can't remember) 14:53:55 <antonela> i feel like yes, dip is a good place to host a wiki 14:53:58 <ggus> emmapeel: for example: https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/community/meta/-/wikis/home 14:54:05 <emmapeel> pili: yeah we didnt and i think it is part of the same problem 14:54:05 <antonela> right 14:54:08 <antonela> oi ggus <3 14:54:11 <hiro> the wiki is also shared across all the web projects... but localization is bigger than web 14:54:21 <emmapeel> yeah 14:54:31 <antonela> true, but if at some point we will all be in dip.. 14:55:30 <emmapeel> anyway so if anybody has ideas aboiut that... 14:55:41 <emmapeel> maybe i should open a ticket 14:55:46 <antonela> in trac? lol 14:55:53 <ggus> the problem with this apporach is that you need to enter in a particular wiki... i was thinking we could have a master repository to simulate a main wiki 14:56:04 <pili> well, there is the Tor Project group 14:56:08 <antonela> that could be a solution 14:56:09 <pili> do groups have wikis? 14:56:12 <emmapeel> yeah! that is a part of the problem! not sure where to open the ticket 14:56:14 <pili> I can't remember 14:56:18 <antonela> emmapeel: hahaha 14:56:21 <pili> or is it just projects? 14:56:26 <ggus> tor project group looks nice 14:56:59 <pili> emmapeel: I think trac is still ok to open this ticket 14:57:18 <pili> (S27 meeting here in 2 minutes...) ;D 14:57:22 <antonela> maybe is something we want to have documented 14:57:25 <antonela> yes yes 14:57:33 <antonela> anything else folks, could i call it? 14:57:38 <emmapeel> yeah ok will open ticket, when can follow up in tor-l10n 14:57:47 <emmapeel> s/when/we 14:57:48 <antonela> oki, thanks emmapeel 14:58:35 <antonela> thank you people for being around today! 14:58:38 * antonela will call it 14:58:40 <diogosergio> Thanks all! 14:58:51 <antonela> #endmeeting