14:00:20 <hiro> #startmeeting 14:00:20 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Jan 9 14:00:20 2020 UTC. The chair is hiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:20 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:31 <hiro> ok everyone welcome to the first www meeting of 2020 14:00:48 <antonela> hello hello 14:00:49 <hiro> let's see who's around... emmapeel ? ggus? 14:00:52 <hiro> pili? 14:00:55 <hiro> c1e0? 14:01:01 <c1e0> I'm here :) 14:01:05 <c1e0> Hi! 14:01:39 <hiro> I don't have much updates to be honest... I was back from vacation on tuesday 14:01:57 <hiro> but if any of you has, please put them in the pad... also add items to the agenda if you want 14:04:05 <hiro> ok shall we start? 14:04:12 <antonela> yep 14:04:36 <ggus> hello 14:04:37 <hiro> anto do you want to start with tor.network? 14:04:45 <antonela> yes, a quick summary 14:05:19 <pili> sorry! 14:05:22 <pili> I'm here now 14:05:30 <antonela> back in 2018 we looked at that domain to run some kind of intro portal to the network and also share educational material about how it works and "get started" kind of guides 14:05:44 <antonela> the domain was taken but now we have it on our hands 14:06:00 <antonela> i'd like to work on that portal under WWW activities during the first semester of this year 14:06:09 <hiro> yay \o/ 14:06:22 <antonela> we will follow the same workflow we are running for all tpo portals: lektor, dip and so on 14:06:45 <hiro> lego too :) 14:06:49 <antonela> yes 14:06:50 <emmapeel> holaaa 14:06:51 <antonela> there are some cool .network domains like https://regulation.network/ 14:07:00 <hiro> hola emmapeel 14:07:05 <antonela> i dont know, i have some ideas so lets see how it goes 14:07:17 <antonela> if you are reading this and you are interested to help, please ping me! 14:07:24 <antonela> i'll share mockups and content drafts here as well 14:07:31 * antonela that's all 14:08:01 <hiro> I always said antonela that I like something a bit interactive like https://donttrack.us/ 14:08:06 <emmapeel> but what will be the content of the portal? 14:09:25 <antonela> the plan is having content focused on the network: a link to metrics, a link to docs, how-to guides and that 14:10:30 <emmapeel> nice 14:10:53 <hiro> very nice!! 14:11:58 <hiro> ook, the next topic is the New support FAQ questions for Tor Mobile 14:12:04 <hiro> #topic New support FAQ questions for Tor Mobile 14:12:50 <hiro> I don't know who added this, so whoever did the mic is yours 14:12:56 <c1e0> So, after roaming Reddit, I think we should add two more Tor Mobile questions to the Support FAQs 14:12:57 <ggus> hey, c1e0, can we move this topic to community team meeting? 14:13:07 <c1e0> Okay, ggus :) 14:13:38 <ggus> we can read your feedback for december and pick some commons questions to the support portal 14:14:23 <hiro> oook so the next topic is moving on with dev website planning 14:14:26 <c1e0> The questions don't really feature for the month for December. Just over the months, all year round 14:14:27 <emmapeel> yeah. maybe we can have some days to review the pull requests, ggus? 14:14:42 <emmapeel> oops sorry that is not really part of this meeting 14:15:06 <pili> yup about dev websie 14:15:07 <pili> website 14:15:14 <hiro> #topic dev.tp.o 14:15:17 <pili> I believe we had scheduled that to start around now :) 14:15:33 <pili> so I want to check if we are still ok with this plan 14:15:37 <hiro> yes and we said we were going to have a rough structure of the website to show to people 14:15:50 <pili> ok 14:15:55 <hiro> do we intend to have this in mockups or on staging? 14:16:19 <pili> I think staging could be nice, I'm also open to whatever is easiest 14:16:35 <pili> and people have bandwidth for currently 14:17:06 <hiro> if we want it on staging we need to have a sitemap first... what do people think would be easier to show to the different teams? 14:17:07 <pili> e.g who's going to do the mockups vs staging 14:17:10 <pili> I can also do some of this if I have the site structure and some simple emplaes 14:17:27 <pili> we have a sitemap 14:17:28 <pili> let me find it 14:17:35 <pili> or at least a proposed one 14:17:36 <emmapeel> i prefer to work straight in staging 14:17:43 <emmapeel> no mockups, because it is duplicating work 14:17:56 <hiro> emmapeel we need mockups first anyways 14:18:07 <antonela> we have those! 14:18:12 * antonela hold on 14:18:23 <emmapeel> oh. i understood there was an option. sorry. 14:18:48 <hiro> my question is if we want to start coding the pages already 14:18:55 <hiro> or we can just use the mockups we have 14:19:01 <hiro> sorry if it wasn't clear 14:19:12 <hiro> When I did this 14:19:17 <hiro> #link https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/web/dev 14:19:19 <antonela> note that this mocks have one year old (or more) so we can use it just for a layout reference but the content will change 14:19:20 <antonela> https://marvelapp.com/4471ig9/screen/38979926 14:19:31 <hiro> I used the mockups from antonela 14:19:38 <antonela> good good 14:19:53 <pili> https://nc.riseup.net/s/tQZDCm6AAMkRRDR 14:19:57 <hiro> #link https://marvelapp.com/4471ig9/screen/38979926 14:20:10 <antonela> i think this is the only page that needs a new template 14:20:10 <antonela> https://marvelapp.com/4471ig9/screen/38979970 14:20:11 <hiro> #link https://nc.riseup.net/s/tQZDCm6AAMkRRDR 14:20:15 <pili> I think I was working off those mock ups when I came up with the sitemap 14:20:20 <antonela> all the others are layouts we already used 14:20:40 <hiro> #link https://marvelapp.com/4471ig9/screen/38979970 14:20:41 <antonela> (and maybe we dont need a new template) 14:20:54 <hiro> the template works ok to be honest 14:21:05 <hiro> but creating all the sections requires time 14:21:06 <antonela> pili is that nc link in tpo.net instance? 14:21:08 <pili> so if I have a site structure and/or some nice templates I can actually start filling in most of the details myself 14:21:15 <pili> antonela: not yet, I need to move it 14:21:32 <antonela> oh oki, just to dont loose it (i think the shut down day is close to come) 14:21:34 <pili> hiro: I don't mind creating the sections 14:21:35 <hiro> so I was wondeirng what we need to have other team start thinking about this website and the content they want to maintain 14:21:38 <pili> antonela: yup, it is 14:21:58 <pili> hiro: I think we should present them with our vision and see if there are any tweaks 14:22:11 <pili> this is already based on what was discussed with them during the stockholm dev meeting 14:22:18 <hiro> ok so what do you need for this vision? 14:22:20 <pili> so there shouldn't be any huge surprises 14:22:23 <hiro> the site up on staging? 14:22:30 <pili> hiro: yup 14:22:40 <hiro> ok so the site should go up on staging! 14:23:29 <hiro> #action hiro should put dev.tp.o up on https://lektor-staging.torproject.org/ 14:23:44 <hiro> ok I will try to do this early next week 14:24:05 <pili> sounds good, thank you 14:24:06 <hiro> and I will take this opportunity to clean up the build process and put all the scripts from the static website build on git 14:24:41 <hiro> #action hiro reviews the build scripts from the static www rotation 14:25:35 <hiro> oook 14:25:42 <hiro> all groot on dev? 14:26:07 <pili> I think so :) 14:26:14 <antonela> is groot 14:26:26 <hiro> next topic 14:26:31 <hiro> #topic update on glossary 14:26:38 <hiro> I think this is emmapeel? 14:27:04 <emmapeel> yep. 14:27:26 <hiro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx28m-M--4Q 14:27:45 <emmapeel> so, not sure where we are about the glossary etc, i added my model and not sure about templating, how to do that etc. also there was people thinking on a submodmain, i dont know about that 14:28:20 <hiro> I thought we wanted to leave it in support for now? 14:28:35 <emmapeel> yeah ok 14:29:39 <hiro> do one thing we can have is a section called glossary 14:29:55 <hiro> and each section is an instance of a model 14:30:13 <hiro> this model will have a name and a description 14:30:14 <emmapeel> https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/web/support/issues/82 14:30:51 <hiro> yeah all that you say there sounds good 14:31:15 <emmapeel> yeah, the model for the gossary term i have submitted at https://dip.torproject.org/emmapeel/support/commit/0d8ce8a717696832ef91349c92c063b47ab30547 14:31:38 <hiro> ok I think I can implement that 14:31:39 <antonela> i feel like i am a blocker here -- i can work on this layout and reviewing tickets regarding it next week emmapeel 14:32:06 <hiro> antonela do you think we need to change the layout a lot? 14:32:13 <hiro> I think I could implement it with what we have 14:32:22 <hiro> it's not a big project and I can fill it in this week 14:32:30 <antonela> yes we could and we can iterate after that 14:32:33 <antonela> that works for me 14:32:34 <hiro> ok 14:32:38 <hiro> sounds good! 14:32:49 <hiro> #action hiro implements https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/web/support/issues/82 14:33:04 <hiro> ok 14:33:13 <hiro> so we have about 30 minutes left 14:33:21 <hiro> do people want to do some ticket triage? 14:33:43 <hiro> antonela suggested it in the pad and I think it can be a graet idea 14:34:12 <pili> yes, good idea :) 14:34:23 <antonela> yep, how we can do it? which portal/query should we prioritize? 14:34:32 <pili> and if we have some time leftover we should also review community portal status 14:34:37 <pili> antonela: I used to have a query 14:34:38 <pili> one sec 14:34:46 <hiro> do we want to review community first? 14:35:03 <antonela> is a trac query? i'd be sad if that is the case 14:35:06 <hiro> for me it's the same 14:35:25 * hiro starts being sad - it's going to be a trac query 14:35:25 <pili> antonela: I don't want to make you sad... :) 14:35:28 <antonela> haha 14:35:35 <pili> it's a long one as well :P 14:35:37 <antonela> when we will consolidate trac tickets and https://dip.torproject.org/groups/torproject/web/-/issues 14:35:43 <pili> I'll put it in the pad 14:36:35 <pili> it's there now 14:37:03 <emmapeel> oh wow 14:37:06 <pili> next to Anto's comment, in case anyone can't see it :P 14:37:17 <pili> maybe it's a bit of overkill... 14:37:44 <emmapeel> we have already talked about #32749 although maybe on the ux team 14:39:02 <emmapeel> but it seems the changes are not on the website yet 14:39:10 <antonela> si, and we have an iterated version upcoming 14:39:18 <hiro> it's on staging 14:39:29 <hiro> antonela is running ux research on the new version 14:39:33 <antonela> i just want to reference the change to our last research, for the records and for making changes that have some kind of user feedback documented 14:39:51 <antonela> so probably will be live this month 14:40:00 <hiro> #link https://lektor-staging.torproject.org/tpo/develop/download/ 14:40:26 <pili> ok shall we go top down though? :) 14:40:29 <hiro> #topic triage 14:40:39 <pili> i.e starting with #32874 14:40:52 <ggus> i think this should be closed: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26328 14:41:05 <ggus> ops, sorry 14:42:03 <hiro> pili reg #32874 I'd close with wontfix 14:42:18 <pili> ok, we should review the blog at some point though 14:42:29 <pili> also, annalee_ is the other outreachy intern for comms :) 14:42:50 <hiro> we shouldn't spend time on the blog 14:43:09 <hiro> I think the long term plan for the blog will be to migrate to a static website 14:44:04 <annalee_> o/ 14:44:08 <hiro> it's already requiring so much of our resources that I see no point in also throwing time at it 14:44:13 <hiro> except for usual updates 14:44:24 <emmapeel> welcome annalee_ ! 14:44:30 <ggus> +1 agree 14:44:40 <annalee_> Thanks :) I'm just here lurking around. 14:45:22 <hiro> welcome annalee_!!! 14:45:45 <hiro> ok next? 14:45:50 <pili> yup 14:45:57 <pili> #32874 we already spoke about 14:46:15 <pili> and #32460 we're working on 14:46:27 <pili> #32432 ? 14:47:09 <pili> ah, this reminds me we should also remove nusenu from being auto assigned the relays tickets 14:47:35 <hiro> ok I am doing this after the meeting 14:47:52 <pili> #32359 then 14:48:57 <hiro> I think this is a matter of substituting the image 14:49:11 <emmapeel> can i take #32432? 14:49:45 <hiro> sure emmapeel please do! 14:49:48 <pili> emmapeel: I don't see why not :) 14:50:00 <antonela> i uploaded a better asset at #32359 14:50:13 <pili> antonela: great :) we should be able to close soon then 14:50:36 <pili> #32288 sounds like a redirect also 14:51:06 <pili> or an updated link 14:51:32 <ggus> i changed the link in drupal dev, but i don't know if it was merged 14:51:38 <pili> ah ok 14:52:21 <ggus> yep, it was merged, we can close the ticket 14:52:29 <ggus> is redirecting to contact page 14:52:33 <emmapeel> yay! 14:52:36 <pili> woo 14:52:57 * antonela pushing and closing #32359 14:53:06 <pili> I think #32199 can be closed also 14:54:06 <pili> shall we move on to #32127 ? 14:55:59 <ggus> pili: i don't know if gettor xmpp is working 14:56:10 <ggus> that's the only reason for this ticket to be open 14:56:14 <pili> maybe that should be one for hiro or cohosh 14:56:17 <ggus> if someone could test xmpp 14:56:44 <hiro> it is not 14:56:54 <hiro> and I don't think we intend to have xmpp for gettor 14:57:14 <hiro> but I can discuss this today at the anti-censorship meeting 14:58:12 <ggus> ok 14:58:35 <hiro> I think maybe we should think of a different distribution channel? 14:58:37 <ggus> if we will not support anymore, we should remove from support and tb-manual 14:58:42 <pili> ggus: +1 14:58:51 <ggus> hiro: telegram/whatsapp/signal :) 14:59:09 <pili> are we good with it then, shall we move to #32120 ? 14:59:18 <pili> oh, we're at the hour though 14:59:35 <pili> is there another meeting here now? 14:59:49 <ggus> i don't think so 15:00:01 <hiro> metrics ? 15:00:16 <pili> metrics sometimes come in at this time :) 15:00:31 <pili> I guess they're not around today 15:01:06 <pili> hiro: what do you want to do? 15:01:40 <emmapeel> i have another thing now 15:01:41 <antonela> i can take #32120 - not solving it but ping the right people to get it done 15:02:15 <hiro> 32120 I don't think is a website ticket 15:02:22 <hiro> thansk antonela 15:03:30 <pili> ok 15:04:29 <antonela> that's all folks? lets continue the triage next week? 15:04:47 <antonela> (i'll take a look to the issues with my face and see what is going on there :) 15:05:36 <emmapeel> im groot 15:05:53 <ggus> wfm 15:06:29 <pili> +1 15:08:32 * antonela goes for f00d 15:08:43 <hiro> yes let's end this 15:08:46 <hiro> #endmeeting