14:59:43 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 14:59:43 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Sep 12 14:59:43 2019 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59:43 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:02 <gaba> I'm adding the agenda 15:01:11 <gaba> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/5h1Goax5eNusxjXJ_Ty5Wl7hFR1uqCReUiN8xdlBG8T 15:01:14 <karsten> thanks! 15:01:36 <karsten> I have to run very quickly, back in 3. 15:01:50 <gaba> ok 15:02:05 <gaba> irl, acute: you around? 15:02:31 <irl> hello 15:02:34 <gaba> hi 15:02:40 <irl> acute has a driving lesson so won't be here today 15:02:50 <gaba> ok 15:03:03 <gaba> do you have anything else for the meeting today? 15:03:04 <karsten> back. hi! 15:03:33 <irl> hello 15:03:36 <karsten> I don't. the proposal is what matters most, IMO. 15:04:04 <gaba> ok 15:04:05 <karsten> shall we start? 15:04:08 <gaba> yes 15:04:20 <karsten> can we send notes (notes from the pad and link to log) at the end of the meeting to the tor-project mailing list? 15:04:30 <irl> yes, why not 15:04:35 <gaba> like other teams are doing for their weekly meeting 15:04:36 <gaba> ok 15:04:43 <karsten> I personally don't fine those very useful, but I don't mind sharing logs. 15:04:44 <gaba> only the agenda and the log of the meeting 15:04:52 <karsten> find* 15:05:00 <irl> if we made an effort we could use meetbot commands properly 15:05:03 <karsten> this is all already public information. 15:05:04 <irl> but we've never done that 15:05:07 <karsten> right. 15:05:08 <gaba> the agenda so people know what we talked about :) 15:05:32 <karsten> would you send those mails, or would I have to do it? 15:05:41 <gaba> it is a way for people to know that metrics is still meeting (if we do not announce each weekly meeting) 15:05:48 <gaba> as you wish :) 15:06:20 <gaba> i can send them 15:06:25 <karsten> if you're okay with it? 15:06:30 <gaba> yes, no problem 15:06:38 <karsten> thanks! 15:07:08 <karsten> next topic? 15:07:33 <irl> ok 15:07:48 <gaba> ok 15:07:50 <karsten> scalability proposal 15:08:01 <karsten> this is a bit of a moving target. 15:08:08 <gaba> yes 15:08:17 <irl> this has been a bit exhausting 15:08:24 <karsten> yes. 15:08:37 <irl> between this, email and vanguards in debian i've not done any roadmap this week ): 15:08:47 <gaba> we can try to have a retrospective with al later to see how to improve this process 15:09:25 <karsten> it would have been useful to have a mike clone participate in all this. 15:09:32 <irl> +1 15:09:34 <gaba> yes... 15:09:51 <karsten> so, his notes on that pad were very helpful to me to understand what's needed. 15:10:00 <gaba> do we need to talk with him or that list he did yesterday is good for this? 15:10:32 <karsten> most of that list makes sense to me. there are some details that don't, but those are probably not the most important bits. 15:10:48 <gaba> so, next step abou this? do we include those in the proposal 15:10:51 <karsten> should we try to do a mapping between his list and what we already have in the proposal? 15:10:56 <gaba> yes 15:11:41 <karsten> yes, I think we should include his list. my goal is to provide all relevant tools for others to do their work later on. 15:12:08 <karsten> I don't want to develop something that we find useful, which turns out to be not a priority for others, only to find out that we're missing other important stuff. 15:12:11 <gaba> we could work in the same pad at the bottom. I will add the list we have from the proposal 15:12:35 <karsten> what's the timing again? 15:12:43 <karsten> that other proposal is due next week or so? 15:12:54 <gaba> the other proposal to DRL is 9/20 the deadline. This one for MOSS is ongoing 15:12:58 <gaba> yes 15:13:08 <karsten> ok. 15:13:25 <karsten> so, sure, if moving to the pad means that mike sees our comments and can comment on them, then let's do it. 15:13:46 <karsten> we can go back to the gdoc once we're certain that we have our requirements. 15:13:53 <gaba> mmm, I wonder if we should merge both proposals and then talk with mike directly 15:14:34 <karsten> if we could keep this in developer language for now, I'd appreciate that. 15:14:56 <gaba> karsten, irl: do you think you can work on this today? 15:15:09 <irl> i have 45 minutes of work time left this week 15:15:10 <karsten> no, but tomorrow morning. 15:15:11 <gaba> not sure what you mean by developer langauge :) 15:15:16 <karsten> non-funder language. 15:15:26 <karsten> like the stuff that mike wrote on the pad. 15:15:34 <gaba> ah, ok 15:16:19 <irl> it'd be cool if mike could do some user stories for the tools we're going to make 15:16:24 <irl> where mike is the user probably 15:16:47 <irl> the requirements i read on the pad could still do with some context to really nail them down 15:17:02 <gaba> can we chat tomorrow then? and see if mike can join? 15:17:24 <karsten> hmm 15:17:50 <karsten> what can we do in the remaining 42 minutes of this week? 15:18:22 <gaba> can you merge mike's list into the proposal? 15:18:39 <karsten> well, yes. 15:18:44 <gaba> the must-have list 15:18:46 <karsten> so, we continue in the proposal? 15:19:25 <gaba> do you think is a good idea? please propose something else if you think it will be a better use of this time to move the proposal forward 15:20:19 <gaba> do you both want to jump in a jitsi now to talk about this? (wonder if it will be better) 15:20:28 <karsten> yes, we could. 15:20:35 <karsten> or bluejeans? 15:20:43 <gaba> bluejeans 15:20:44 <gaba> ok 15:20:45 <irl> ok one minute, need to find the ipad 15:21:04 <karsten> alright, let's end this meeting then. no roadmap update this week. 15:21:13 <karsten> end-and-continue-via-bluejeans. 15:21:24 <irl> ok cool 15:21:41 <karsten> #endmeeting