14:00:05 <antonela> #startmeeting ux team 14:00:05 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Aug 20 14:00:05 2019 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:05 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:08 <antonela> hi emmapeel! 14:00:20 <pili> hi 14:00:27 <emmapeel> hello 14:00:32 <antonela> hi pili! 14:00:40 <antonela> how are you folks :) 14:01:13 <pili> still tired :/ 14:01:14 <antonela> lets use the regular pad for updates and discussion items 14:01:15 <antonela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2019-keep 14:01:18 <antonela> oh no pili 14:01:20 <antonela> is just tuesday! 14:01:35 <pili> I know, vacations are not good for the body clearly :P 14:01:48 <emmapeel> yeah is hard to come back 14:01:49 <antonela> you need vacs for the vacs 14:02:26 <emmapeel> antonela: are you in europe already? i kind of repented of not going to cccamp 14:02:36 <antonela> thurayya you around? 14:02:47 <antonela> emmapeel: im not making the camp 14:02:50 <thurayya> yess 14:02:51 <thurayya> hi! 14:02:54 <antonela> hey nah o/ 14:03:09 <thurayya> hello o/ 14:03:35 <antonela> emmapeel: dismiss that fomo, you are good at home :D 14:03:55 <emmapeel> yeah! fuck fomo yolo ftw 14:04:16 <antonela> haha 14:04:38 <antonela> okey lets do it 14:05:18 <antonela> hi T_ o/ 14:05:24 <clash> o/ I need to go out today, will try to keep up :) 14:05:49 <T_> Hello Antonela. Glad to be here 14:05:54 <antonela> hey clash! thanks -- stephw is back from OOO so maybe you both can sync about upcoming blogposts and cover images needs 14:06:08 <antonela> hi Tunde, thanks for coming :) 14:06:49 <antonela> so, first item is mine 14:07:30 <emmapeel> 14:05 <+antonela> lets use the regular pad for updates and discussion items 14:07:33 <emmapeel> 14:05 <+antonela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2019-keep 14:07:46 <antonela> thanks emmapeel <3 14:08:04 <emmapeel> i thought maybe T_ did not see it 14:08:25 <clash> hi antonela, I was thinking of making cover images for the most used ones first like TB releases 14:08:54 <antonela> clash: awesome, looking forward to see them 14:08:58 <antonela> clash: thanks! 14:09:05 <antonela> so, i'm working with thurayya on creating the feedback/reporting docs for communities running user research as we discussed during the stockholm meeting 14:09:16 <clash> shouldn't take long! 14:09:30 <antonela> im wondering what is the best place to host that material 14:10:15 <antonela> i failed in previous intents on doing it on the wiki and trac, so maybe is a good time to do it in a proper place like https://dip.torproject.org/ux/research 14:10:20 <antonela> what do you think? pili? 14:10:48 <thurayya> but will it be public? i can't access dip (i don't have an account) 14:10:51 <pili> I'm fine with that, we should make sure it's easy to link from the community portal 14:11:04 <pili> thurayya: it can be public 14:11:29 <antonela> thurayya: not the country reports, the checklist and the reporting docs 14:11:32 <emmapeel> we need to open dip to external collaboration also... not sure if it should be a topic of this meeting tho 14:11:44 <antonela> emmapeel: is a meta, but yes 14:12:03 <thurayya> ok - i was just wondering if there was a way to make it public if it was necessary :) 14:12:11 <antonela> emmapeel: i hope we can move forward with that idea tomorrow during the www meeting 14:12:27 <pili> opening dip up? :) 14:12:37 <pili> I'll talk to gaba about it in a few hours 14:12:41 <antonela> thurayya: yes, and the plan was to make them public in https://community.torproject.org/user-research/ 14:12:54 <antonela> pili, yes! thanks for doing it 14:13:02 <emmapeel> great! 14:13:35 <pili> we can probably follow a similar structure as training resources to share this research 14:13:48 <pili> i.e linking to the documents in dip 14:13:50 <antonela> pili, yes exactly 14:13:59 <antonela> do you think is a good move to host them there? 14:14:22 <pili> well, now that I think about it, will they be hosted in dip or gitweb? 14:14:49 <antonela> good question, how are those spaced being synced? 14:14:52 <antonela> *spaces 14:14:54 <pili> because that will break the way we do things currently for other projects on gitlab 14:15:12 <antonela> that is exactly what i wanted to talk with you :) 14:15:21 <pili> everytime someone pushes to the master branch on gitweb, the dip master branch gets overwritten with gitweb master 14:15:45 <antonela> i see 14:15:46 <antonela> how we can do it in a way that follows the current workflow for projects? 14:15:54 <emmapeel> that is not the problem pili, the problem is that ppl is pushing to dip 14:16:15 <pili> we would need to create a new repo on gitweb for the user research materials 14:16:22 <antonela> like https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/outreach.git/ is empty but 14:16:26 <pili> right 14:16:33 <emmapeel> we should not allow individuals to push to https://dip.torproject.org/web/%20* 14:16:34 <pili> I think I got that one created :) 14:16:45 <antonela> https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/community/outreach has stuffs 14:16:46 <pili> emmapeel: I agree 14:17:05 <emmapeel> we were talking with hiro about that today, it seems she has a plan 14:17:14 <emmapeel> çbut wants to do first the git flow docs 14:17:18 <pili> I just mean that we shouldn't create repos that are just on dip 14:17:30 <antonela> exactly, we shoudn't 14:17:31 <pili> the underlying source of truth should be a git-web repo 14:17:35 <emmapeel> ah yes 14:18:15 <antonela> so basically, we need tsa to create repos in gitweb for us and some sync workflow between them? 14:18:18 <pili> anyway, we can do that laso 14:18:24 <pili> s/laso/also 14:18:27 <pili> antonela: yup 14:18:41 <pili> I have a couple of example tickets if you want to take a look 14:18:50 <antonela> pili, oki, that structure i shared here like ux/research, is good? 14:19:43 <pili> yup 14:20:09 <antonela> oki, lets sync offline about the best steps to make it happen 14:21:08 <antonela> like i dont have the full picture about the sync between gitlab and dip, this is one of the reasons i didn't succeed with the media folder sorting 14:21:28 <antonela> maybe we can talk with hiro tomorrow about it during the regular www meeting 14:21:44 <pili> sure 14:22:13 <pili> I think you have to give permissions to torproject-pusher account on the repo in gitlab 14:22:21 <pili> in order to get the sync happening 14:22:30 <pili> but not sure what else needs to be hooked up on the backend 14:23:20 <antonela> yep 14:23:31 <emmapeel> antonela: i can help you to understand a bit if you want! 14:23:46 <antonela> please emmapeel 14:24:24 <emmapeel> ok, lets do it after meeting 14:24:34 <antonela> super, thanks! 14:25:15 <antonela> pili, what is the blocker on #29955? is there anything that needs help? 14:25:42 <pili> we just need to get a blog post out sysrqb has offered to write it :) 14:26:09 <pili> then the GP guys are ready to do the rest 14:26:25 <antonela> ohh perfect 14:27:25 <antonela> emmapeel: should we call for reviewers on specific languages? 14:28:05 <emmapeel> antonela: yes, some langs are getting harder 14:28:35 <emmapeel> lemme upload the stats 14:28:38 <antonela> maybe we can use social media for it, lets talk offline about it 14:29:01 <antonela> not too much else for today folks, is there anything you have for the group? 14:29:31 <thurayya> yes! 14:29:36 <antonela> :) 14:30:05 <thurayya> i'm working with the faq for phase 2/report - i'm wondering if i should do the same for phase 1 14:30:19 <thurayya> just had a look at the pad https://pad.riseup.net/p/ZtEAJDodmJ0mCpZWkMP1-keep 14:30:28 <thurayya> but there is nothing there :| 14:30:50 <antonela> i can do the phase 1 thurayya 14:31:03 <antonela> i have those notes since i did the travels :) 14:31:19 <thurayya> ok - if you need any help ;) 14:31:25 <antonela> will follow your phase2 format 14:31:30 <pili> I have some notes also I can add 14:31:45 <antonela> awesome, thanks pili 14:31:46 <pili> from India 14:31:58 <antonela> ahh nono, phase 1, 2018 i think 14:32:30 <antonela> you have india phase 2 pili 14:32:34 <pili> right 14:33:24 <antonela> cool, nah lets work together on that -- i can add phase 1 to your reporting 14:33:44 <thurayya> pili: i'm working on g drive, i can share with you as well 14:34:09 <pili> ok 14:34:45 <thurayya> that's all from me for now ;) 14:34:52 <antonela> thanks thurayya! 14:35:11 <antonela> last week i sent a recap on the tb usage survey we ran during the dev meeting in stockholm -- if you want to explore the answers, there is a csv linked 14:35:18 <antonela> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/ux/2019-August/000455.html 14:35:40 <T_> Thanks, I've found this super-useful 14:36:15 <antonela> thanks T_! i shared some ooni links to you, i hope those are useful as well 14:36:51 <antonela> T_ ggus is traveling this week, so some latency is expected (re:community-contacts) 14:37:18 <antonela> oki -- anything else folks? 14:37:45 <T_> Thanks, noted 14:37:46 <emmapeel> sorry i crashed. here the stats https://share.riseup.net/#WqBFdlXwSpopIKb5dmkKiw what is not yellow needs translators 14:38:02 <antonela> translators or reviewers? 14:38:40 <emmapeel> well, we keep getting translators but reviewers should be trusted people 14:38:49 <emmapeel> peolpe we know, etc 14:39:04 <antonela> i remember me used to have a tier 1 and tier 2 languages list, maybe we can check with those and plan a call for trusted reviewers with stephw 14:39:09 <antonela> s/me/we 14:42:20 <emmapeel> specially on languages that we dont speak at all! i feel confident on somebody i dont know to review italian, because i can see if they lie, even when my italian is not so good 14:42:21 <antonela> yes i know, like thai 14:42:21 <emmapeel> but russian... 14:42:21 <emmapeel> yeah 14:42:21 <emmapeel> i dont think we should make a call for reviewers 14:42:21 <antonela> yes, https://www.torproject.org/ru/ is a thing and looks awesome :) 14:42:21 <emmapeel> we can keep making calls for translators though 14:42:22 <antonela> do you upgrade translators to reviewers with some process? 14:42:22 <emmapeel> maybe a call on tor-internal, but not a public call 14:42:22 <emmapeel> antonela: yes, i can make anybody reviewer on transifex, if we give them that status, localization lab will accept it. i am trying to get more people onto transifex from our devs and that 14:42:22 <antonela> i like it, we have polyglots in internal as well 14:42:22 <emmapeel> loclab is also getting reviewers they know 14:42:23 <antonela> oki, let me know if there is anything we can do to make this a public call regularly, like monthly? maybe? 14:42:24 <emmapeel> even if somebody from tor-internal cannot do it, maybe they have a friend (i.e. greek) 14:42:39 <antonela> yep 14:42:41 <pili> yeah 14:42:41 <pili> we definitely need a way to prioritise languages and try to focus on those first 14:43:21 <antonela> agreed pili 14:43:24 <emmapeel> from our tier 1 we need help with korean, arabic, farsi.. as usual 14:43:33 <emmapeel> also on reviews 14:43:45 <emmapeel> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/o7Rh2S9bsMNN7Eh7C9cKaqxR371pR1AmpRxbu--nC34 tier 1 langs 14:45:26 <pili> we don't have anyone trusted that knows farsi? :) 14:45:53 <emmapeel> 'a way to prioritise languages' sounds nice, but the truth is that we depend on volunteer efforst so it is hard to prioritise unless we go to people that speaks those langs and ask them to translate 14:46:31 <pili> well, just knowing that we need more help with korean arabic and farsi helps :) 14:47:19 <antonela> exactly, we can ping community friends for it - internal is a good first step imo 14:47:32 <emmapeel> we dont have any trusted farsi speaker that is reviewing atm. i asked for some special cases to get some money to translate, between them arabic and farsi. i met some exiles in Berlin tht were eager to translate, but they had no money and could not afford to volunteer. but apparently we cannot give them like 500 euro to translate something and they cannot do it, cause they need to get a job to pay fo 14:47:38 <emmapeel> r their rents, etc 14:48:25 <emmapeel> that is a bit sad. poor people is not mean, is just that they donthave free time to volunteer... 14:48:46 <pili> emmapeel: yeah, I know 14:48:51 <emmapeel> that is why i dont like 'meritocracy' 14:49:29 <antonela> me either, we are privileged for being collabs in a tech open source project 14:49:48 <emmapeel> yes exactly 14:50:05 <emmapeel> also: i think the interface for rtl langs in transifex is very annoying :D maybe that is why farsi and arabic translators dont like to translate so much 14:50:16 <emmapeel> well.. transifex and the Internet in general 14:50:19 <antonela> and i see that point as critical -- maybe we can plan on derivate some funds for critical languages (if we have those funds) 14:50:43 <antonela> as a medium-long term plan ^^ 14:51:01 <antonela> for the short-term, i could send a call for translators to our lists and see what we have :) 14:51:06 <emmapeel> i talked with isabela a while ago and she said that paying for translations was not really on our budget. but maybe we can do a croudsourcing something... 14:51:30 <antonela> exactly, we can develop a plan to make it happens :) 14:52:17 <antonela> oki folks, thanks for this meeting - i like to work with you all <3 14:52:19 <emmapeel> antonela: my proposal was just to include the languages that are on our Tier 1, that are fromt he third world, and have no enough translations. 14:52:40 <emmapeel> ok! lets keep talking somewhere else :D 14:52:43 <emmapeel> sorry for spam 14:52:52 <antonela> emmapeel: lets talk about it and see what we can do, i cant promise funds but i can drop some ideas 14:53:03 <pili> yup :) 14:53:04 <emmapeel> yeah funds is not the only thing 14:53:58 <antonela> am i missing anything? can i call it? 14:54:22 <emmapeel> im groot 14:54:52 <antonela> thanks all! o/ 14:54:55 <antonela> #endmeeting