15:03:14 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 15:03:15 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Jun 27 15:03:14 2019 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:15 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:45 <karsten> I'd say let's start, and when gaba joins us she can catch up using backlog. 15:03:56 <karsten> so, djackson is new here! 15:04:05 <karsten> thanks for joining us! 15:04:15 <djackson> Hi Karsten, hi everyone :) 15:04:26 <karsten> do you want to introduce yourself in a sentence, or shall I? 15:04:28 <acute> hi! 15:04:35 <irl> hi djackson, welcome 15:04:56 <djackson> I'm an intern at Mozilla for the summer, working on tor related stuff. Performance and metrics mostly 15:05:12 <irl> awesome! 15:06:07 <karsten> so, we met last week at all hands where you joined most of the tor meetings. 15:06:24 <karsten> djackson said he'd like to help us with selenium/tor browser measurements in the upcoming weeks. 15:07:06 <irl> ok cool 15:07:08 <karsten> and to give you, djackson, some context, irl is working on various metrics stuff and acute is focusing mostly on onionperf stuff. 15:07:20 <karsten> and gaba is our project manager. 15:07:33 <djackson> Okay, great, that's good to know 15:07:40 <irl> djackson: do you already have a testbed setup for this or are you only just starting? 15:07:49 <gaba> o/ 15:07:52 <karsten> hi gaba! 15:08:07 <karsten> irl: we have something from sysrqb! 15:08:20 <karsten> he set up something that produces measurement results. and graphs. 15:08:25 <irl> ah cool, so these things are all linked together 15:08:28 <djackson> Yeah sysrqb has a really nice prototype up and running 15:09:02 <karsten> we should probably try to invite sysrqb to our next meeting. 15:09:27 <karsten> so, I think we're already in the middle of the all hands summary. 15:09:39 <karsten> I'll keep talking :) 15:09:59 <karsten> last week we looked at some metrics data and identified a few mysteries. 15:09:59 <gaba> yes. thanks :) 15:10:16 <karsten> most of these are minor things, and some even have a ticket. 15:10:32 <karsten> I still have a couple notes here that I should turn into tickets. 15:11:05 <karsten> but most of the time last week we focused on input for a presentation how tor would fit into a private browsing mode. 15:11:30 <karsten> I think arma wrote a summary of some sort and attached the slides. 15:11:49 <irl> i have seen a slidedeck, so maybe that it the same thing you are talking about 15:12:06 <karsten> "Tor & Mozilla -- Whistler 2019" 15:12:12 <irl> yes 15:12:21 <karsten> okay, that's worth reading, I'd say. 15:12:38 <irl> "i have seen" meaning "i read that" 15:12:45 <karsten> hehe 15:12:51 <irl> just making sure i didn't need to read another one that i'd missed 15:12:58 <karsten> right, it's this one. cool! 15:13:03 <irl> excellent 15:13:18 <karsten> okay, what else did I miss... 15:13:36 <karsten> we did some pretty cool mountain bike downhill riding! 15:13:39 <karsten> anyway. 15:13:42 <gaba> :) 15:13:45 <karsten> I think this is it. 15:13:59 <gaba> so you said that you have new tickets that would be for the metrics team? 15:14:23 <gaba> it would be good to identify the work related to this for the team 15:14:24 <karsten> yes, though these are minor. I think the important work is the selenium/tor browser thing. 15:14:28 <gaba> ok 15:14:46 <karsten> we should start a ticket for this and identify all the work that's related to that. 15:14:59 <karsten> I can do that. 15:15:17 <gaba> yes, a master ticket with all the children for this weork 15:15:34 <karsten> ok. 15:16:07 <karsten> alright, this is on my list. shall we move on? 15:16:23 <gaba> yes 15:16:50 <karsten> Head start on roadmapping session (irl) 15:17:06 <irl> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019Stockholm/Notes/MetricsTeamRoadmapping 15:17:15 <irl> let's make sure we are ready 15:17:31 <karsten> yes, sounds great! 15:17:44 <karsten> shall we add ideas to the wiki page? 15:17:48 <irl> yes 15:17:51 <gaba> I would like to add a place where we have the priorities for the team on non-sponsored work. 15:18:07 <irl> all our work is non-sponsored 15:18:12 <gaba> yes :) 15:18:16 <gaba> still making it clear 15:18:23 <irl> ok 15:18:24 <gaba> priorities for the team 15:18:40 <irl> we should also do a capacity estimation before the session because we know what the team will look like 15:18:53 <gaba> i have something for capacity estimation but is out of sync 15:19:10 <gaba> (just a sec that im looking for the link) 15:19:55 <gaba> this is for all teams: https://nc.riseup.net/s/pdbXgkaHPWdcgNQ 15:19:56 <karsten> what's the time frame we're planning for? 15:20:05 <gaba> and gives us an overview of capacity for each one 15:20:45 <karsten> 6 months? longer? 15:20:46 <gaba> the roadmap? We are aiming for 6 months but we need to talk about the process on changing this. Not sure if it worked so well this last 6 months 15:20:55 <karsten> not really, no. 15:21:22 <gaba> and things will change 15:21:25 <karsten> but I think that's specific to the past 6 months. it can work. 15:21:48 <karsten> so, 6 months until end of 2019? 15:21:54 <gaba> are you both going to be working 4 days a week? 15:21:57 <gaba> yes 15:22:00 <irl> yes 15:22:01 <karsten> yep. 15:22:02 <gaba> ok 15:22:41 <karsten> alright. 15:22:53 <gaba> I would like us to agree on priorities during the meeting that can lead those changes. 15:23:08 <irl> we can probably think of a scale of tickets for 1 month, projects for 6 months and high level goals for 18 months 15:23:43 <karsten> sounds good to me. 15:23:48 <irl> we have a monthly retrospective meeting where we adjust tickets on the roadmap, and another meeting in 6 months for adjusting projects 15:24:21 <irl> if we don't have an in-person meeting we can also just have an extended retrospective 15:24:42 <gaba> sounds good. I think what didn't worked so well about monthly retrospectives is not having totally clear the priorities for the team. 15:25:23 <gaba> we can adjust those priorites in those monthly meetings but it would be good to start with all on the same page about them 15:25:33 <irl> yeah 15:25:55 <karsten> should we schedule another monthly retrospective before stockholm? 15:26:00 <karsten> or is that too much? 15:26:35 <irl> if we do we should see it as meeting prep 15:26:38 <gaba> yes 15:26:45 <gaba> we should do as a meeting prep if we do +1 15:26:53 <karsten> okay, let's do it. 15:27:12 <karsten> when's a good time? 15:27:18 <gaba> I can work on what I think of all those 4 steps in https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019Stockholm/Notes/MetricsTeamRoadmapping and we can discuss and finish things during that prep meeting 15:27:19 <karsten> next week same time? 15:28:01 <gaba> next week I will be traveling to Sweden... 15:28:08 <karsten> oh? 15:28:14 <gaba> I will be ok on the 4th but I would prefer that is the week after 15:28:15 <gaba> ohhh 15:28:20 <gaba> the week after is already the meeting 15:28:22 <gaba> :| 15:28:35 <gaba> What about on the 8th? 15:28:51 <irl> 8th is ok for me 15:28:53 <karsten> works for me. 15:29:00 <irl> at 1500 utc 15:29:04 <gaba> ok 15:29:11 <karsten> great! 15:29:14 <gaba> I will be able to do it earlier too :P 15:29:18 <karsten> heh 15:29:46 <karsten> I think it's fine to keep the time. 15:30:02 <gaba> ok 15:30:11 <karsten> alright, anything else on the roadmapping session topic? 15:30:48 <karsten> okay. before we move on: 15:30:53 <karsten> djackson: do you have a tor trac account? 15:31:08 <djackson> I don't, let me set one up 15:31:09 <karsten> I said on the pad that I'd copy you on the new ticket. 15:31:22 <karsten> cool! can you tell me your user name after that? 15:31:56 <karsten> there's one remaining topic for today: Reminder: WIP Tor meeting schedule https://nc.riseup.net/s/FFkikRBmKDZyLw9 15:32:27 <gaba> this is only a reminder 15:32:35 <gaba> that we are working on the schedule 15:32:56 <djackson> registered as djackson 15:33:03 <karsten> djackson: perfect! 15:34:51 <karsten> gaba: okay. I don't see anything obviously missing on the schedule. 15:35:39 <irl> i'm sure however it is moved around there are going to be clashes, i don't think anything is missing 15:36:32 <karsten> okay! 15:36:48 <gaba> ok 15:37:01 <karsten> so, next week you'll be traveling, gaba? 15:37:10 <gaba> I will be traveling on the 2nd 15:37:18 <gaba> I may be really jetlagged on the 4th 15:37:27 <gaba> 2nd/3rd traveling 15:37:32 <karsten> possibly. 15:37:45 <karsten> is it okay if we keep the meeting date/time and you try to make it? 15:37:53 <karsten> if jetlag doesn't allow, okay. 15:38:04 <gaba> yes please 15:38:07 <karsten> cool! 15:38:28 <karsten> I think we're done. 15:38:41 <karsten> I'll start creating tickets now. 15:38:57 <karsten> thanks, everyone! have a good day/evening. bye! o/ 15:39:08 <irl> bye! 15:39:11 <gaba> thanks, have a good day! o/ 15:39:14 <djackson> o/ 15:39:27 <acute> bye! 15:39:34 <karsten> #endmeeting