14:00:12 <antonela> #startmeeting ux team 14:00:12 <dunqan> hola 0/ 14:00:12 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Jun 4 14:00:12 2019 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:12 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:14 <antonela> lets do ittt 14:00:19 <antonela> hi folks, that time of the week 14:00:23 <emmapeel> hello everybody 14:01:17 <pari> haha hiii 14:01:58 <pili> hi people :) 14:02:20 <clash> hello everyone :) 14:02:23 <antonela> how are you? please add your status update and agenda topics at the regular pad https://storm.torproject.org/shared/YzW8tZJdSLXssDemXip9ubDnClv8VSmjbbt5Yabtt0C 14:02:36 * antonela should move it to nextcloud servers 14:03:15 <emmapeel> ey antonela how is it with the nextcloud stuff? where is it? 14:04:09 <antonela> some people have it in some trial period, the sysadmin team will notify when it is available (i think) 14:04:37 <antonela> emmapeel: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/operations/Infrastructure/NextCloud 14:05:13 <emmapeel> thanks! 14:05:18 <dunqan> oooo 14:05:19 <dunqan> fancy 14:06:10 <antonela> ye, is very cool, i hope we succeed implementing it across the org 14:06:15 <antonela> okey, lets do it 14:06:26 <antonela> *** triage timeeee *** 14:06:34 <antonela> pili :) 14:06:35 <pili> already?!? :D 14:06:57 <pili> no one has any other updates? :) 14:06:58 <pili> I thought we could leave it for the end 14:07:01 <pili> might be a bit boring for people otherwise... 14:07:14 <pili> but if no one wants to go ahead with any updates, we can do 14:07:25 <antonela> one thing 14:07:46 <antonela> pari, thanks for doing it! one hour is enough? 14:08:07 <pari> antonela: I think it should be! 14:08:34 <antonela> dunqan: i'll email you about some stuffs happening in Stockholm, the agenda is being defined, we should add an slot for introducing personas 14:08:45 <dunqan> awesome, ta 14:08:58 <dunqan> should we prep a proper presentation for it? 14:08:59 <antonela> pari, perfect, we will have simply secure folks there too so we can work together on shape that workflow with ngos 14:09:03 <antonela> dunqan: YES 14:09:04 <pari> or I can expand it to 15:00 and 16:00 session and include that too 14:09:17 <dunqan> cool well that can be my job for the next couple of weeks :) 14:09:34 <antonela> dunqan: hehe yes, i have a draft notes, will share with you soonish 14:09:37 <pari> antonela: wow, that'd be awesome 14:09:43 <dunqan> great, thanks! 14:09:54 <antonela> pari, yes take two hours slot 14:10:15 <pari> okay, done. Will update it on the agenda wiki 14:10:22 <antonela> we can make a kind of retrospective the first hour, what we have been doing, which data we have, problems at the field, and then move to next steps 14:10:27 <antonela> all this about user research 14:10:30 <antonela> super, thanks pari! 14:11:27 <pari> hmm.. sounds good. easily will take up the two hours 14:11:49 <antonela> clash, i replied your email about the pride month campaign, YES we should totally do it but we really need stephw to come back from vacs to move forward with it 14:12:03 <antonela> pari, yes i think so 14:12:24 <pili> antonela: I sent an email to comms about it 14:12:28 <pili> and clash ^ 14:12:36 <clash> antonela: I saw, I'm sending you the assets 14:12:49 <antonela> clash already made assets so if comms say yes, we could easy update them :) 14:12:49 <clash> pili: sounds good 14:12:52 <antonela> s/update/upload 14:12:55 <pili> we might be able to get a blog post out before stephw is back 14:13:03 <antonela> great, thanks pili 14:13:22 <antonela> emmapeel: i put at the pad a link to the montly recap (is just a bullet point at the moment) could you add the new locales you introduced in tpo? :) 14:13:45 * antonela everybody can add notes to the montly recap 14:14:02 <pili> actually, clash antonela can one of you cc me into the pride month campaign email? so we're all in the same page :) 14:14:07 <emmapeel> oh... sorry i didnt added locales to the website, but to the downloads page. there are now new Tor Browsers in cs, el, hu, ka 14:14:10 <pili> not sure if comms was already added to that thread also 14:14:37 <clash> antonela: oh I just sent it to you a minute ago 14:14:48 <antonela> pili, done 14:14:51 <antonela> clash: thanks! 14:15:00 <antonela> emmapeel: i see, is good to mention too! 14:15:08 <pili> emmapeel: do we already have some sort of checklist/process for adding new Tor Browser locales? e.g update the website, update downloads page 14:15:17 <emmapeel> antonela: for sure. i just realise di was being uncler before 14:15:25 <pili> from the UX/website point of view at least? 14:15:28 <emmapeel> pili: i am afraid not 14:15:33 * cy63113 just snooping a little 14:15:45 <emmapeel> the devs used to do that, and boklm has made many of these changes 14:15:52 <emmapeel> maybe he overlooked this file tho 14:16:14 <antonela> hi cy63113! 14:16:15 <pili> e.g there is this: https://dip.torproject.org/web/tpo/wikis/How-to-enable-a-new-locale 14:16:22 <cy63113> hola!!!! 14:16:31 <pili> and this: https://dip.torproject.org/web/tpo/wikis/How-to-develop-on-the-website#how-to-add-a-new-release 14:16:40 <antonela> yes, hiro worked on them 14:17:11 <pili> would be good to document some more 14:17:23 <emmapeel> pili: but that is a locale to the website. i am the one doing that mostly. but we have two lists for languages that appear on the tables at https://www.torproject.org/es/download/ and https://www.torproject.org/es/download/alpha/ 14:17:44 <emmapeel> heh well i did that documentation in trac, and hiro moved it. sorry heh 14:17:48 <pili> right, so we should maybe add it to how to add a new release :D 14:18:07 <pili> and then how to add a new language for a release? ;) 14:18:24 <emmapeel> oh yeah, this is the one for new locales on tbb: https://dip.torproject.org/web/tpo/wikis/How-to-develop-on-the-website#how-to-add-a-new-release 14:18:31 <emmapeel> sorry i was talking about the previous link 14:19:29 <pili> yup :) 14:19:30 <pili> ok 14:21:02 <antonela> oki, emmapeel re:recap, add what you want to have highlighted ;) 14:21:34 <antonela> oki, pili i think now is time 14:21:35 <emmapeel> so, we are probably going to have a lot of material translated to Thai from next week on. it would be great if we can get a Thai alpha so the translators dont lose momentum :D 14:21:43 <pili> \o/ 14:21:48 <antonela> emmapeel: indeed 14:22:10 <pili> ok, so I have highlighted where we need to start from today: https://nc.riseup.net/s/K3rzDptT773QGsa 14:22:31 <pili> so from #30413 up 14:22:59 <pili> oh wait, there's #30381 first 14:23:08 <pili> but I think we should discuss this during the S27 meeting today 14:23:13 <pili> because I'm not sure of the UX work needed there 14:23:15 <antonela> yes about #30381 14:23:16 <emmapeel> antonela: ack! 14:23:45 <pili> emmapeel: re: Thai alpha, let's bring this up today during the release meeting 14:24:15 <pili> s/today/tomorrow 14:24:33 <antonela> #30413, i think that is related with some bug introduced by firefox, i'd like geko's review on that before warning users 14:24:36 <pili> anyway, let's move on with triage 14:24:45 <emmapeel> pili: ok! 14:24:56 <pili> ok 14:24:56 <antonela> some bug = the addons issue 14:25:50 <pili> yup 14:26:55 <pili> ok, move on to #30430 <- this is in progress I guess 14:27:08 <antonela> yes, i created it to trac changes/feedback 14:27:15 <antonela> we will keep it open until stockholm 14:27:21 <antonela> s/trac/track 14:28:02 <antonela> #30514 , that is a good one and is related with the work that wayward is doing 14:28:20 <pili> yup 14:28:29 <pili> just cc'd her to the ticket 14:28:34 <antonela> so my plan is once the support entry is done, work on the browser onboarding in order to link to it 14:28:48 * antonela goes to comment the tickeet 14:29:04 * antonela pili already did 14:29:08 <pili> :D 14:29:13 <pili> #30570 ? 14:29:52 <pili> I added S9 to this ticket as it could possibly be something we test for Phase 3? 14:30:01 <antonela> I don't know what geko's plan are for it 14:30:07 <dunqan> I can take care of #30514 once the support entry is done, if you like 14:30:12 <dunqan> i'm already looped in anyhow :) 14:30:15 <antonela> dunqan: perfect! yes 14:30:58 <emmapeel> dunqan: there was a request for review on the text wayward is preparing 14:30:59 <emmapeel> let me find the email 14:31:17 <antonela> #30577 - yes, what is the release for it pili? 14:31:22 <dunqan> oh awesome emmapeel 14:31:23 <pili> antonela: we should discuss #30570 during the next browser meeting then :) 14:31:38 <emmapeel> dunqan: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-community-team/2019-June/000284.html 14:31:45 <clash> https://pad.riseup.net/p/torvpnreview-keep 14:31:48 <clash> the VPN doc^ 14:31:53 <antonela> pili, probably? 14:32:01 <dunqan> thanks! 14:32:03 <antonela> thanks emmapeel and clash! 14:32:06 <pili> re: #30577 2019-07-09 is what I have on the ticket :) 14:32:55 <pili> I have this work planned to start end of June 14:32:56 <pili> antonela: not sure if that's enough time for you? 14:33:50 <antonela> yes, commented at the ticket 14:34:01 <pili> I will add it as a discussion point for the release meeting tomorrow so we don't forget also 14:34:02 <emmapeel> hmmm... i am reading waywards pad and i think it will be better if they can add the content to a localizable resource, instead of asking people to translate the text to spanish. 14:34:14 <antonela> pili cool 14:34:44 <emmapeel> where is the VPN document going to be hosted? we should probably add it there and _then_ translate 14:34:55 <antonela> emmapeel: seems like they are working together on that piece, that is why Lili offered it 14:35:14 <emmapeel> yeah well but her work will be lost if she translates like this 14:35:23 <emmapeel> if she wants to translate she need to go in transifex and translate there 14:35:53 <emmapeel> and if we want the document translated, we need to add it to a localizable resource. otherwise it will become impossible to maintain 14:35:57 <antonela> yes 14:36:05 <antonela> pili, could you follow it ^ 14:36:09 <pili> yup 14:36:16 <pili> #30631 - this is in progress already from what I can see 14:36:52 <antonela> yep, maybe is done 14:37:54 <pili> same for #30664 ? 14:38:45 * clash afk for a bit, let me know if I can help somewhere :) 14:38:54 <pili> that is if we're happy to take clash fix :) 14:38:56 <pili> or maybe we want to discuss further 14:39:05 <pili> thanks clash! 14:39:05 <antonela> yes, i'd like to wait to 9.0 in order to load some icon iteration - anyways, we need all the assets to make that implementation 14:39:12 <pili> ok 14:39:16 <pili> 9.0 stable I guess 14:39:37 <antonela> yep 14:40:11 <pili> ok, finally #30750 14:40:17 <pili> not sure if that's ours or irl is going to do that? 14:40:57 <antonela> i feel very discouraged of working in a ticket that start with "cosmetic" 14:41:00 <pili> I think the component might not be the right one? 14:41:02 <pili> not sure 14:41:09 <antonela> haha, maybe? 14:41:25 <pili> the whole ticket is very hard to parse 14:41:42 <pili> I think it was opened this morning and irl was talking with the ticket creator 14:42:01 <pili> ok, I'll follow up on this one 14:42:12 <antonela> ye, is about ux and is about researchers, the component is not ux/researchers 14:42:23 <pili> I think we're done with the triage! :D 14:42:31 <pili> getting easier each time, I like this :) 14:42:42 <emmapeel> nice! 14:43:08 <dunqan> 🙌 14:43:15 <antonela> yesss, that is great 14:43:16 <antonela> thanks pili! 14:44:01 <pili> yw 14:44:18 <pili> (now I need to actually follow up on some of these... :P ) 14:44:32 <antonela> i'd like to take the few minutes left to talk a bit about community.tpo 14:44:44 <antonela> i worked on ui stuffs, hiro merged everything 14:45:15 <antonela> i think is very important to have a different template for inner sections, hiro is working on it 14:45:45 <antonela> can we go through the to-do list? https://pad.riseup.net/p/Yo2MJh1pYSNlqd9IoCCj 14:46:05 <antonela> pili, did you moved opened issues on dip already? 14:46:16 * antonela should work on the content for the user research part 14:46:16 <pili> not yet 14:46:36 <pili> I was wondering which we were going to be fixed in the next few days and which were longer term 14:46:53 <hiro> yeah I am doing websites bug now 14:46:55 <pili> I was doing a quick review just before this meeting 14:46:56 <pili> and yes, we can discuss that now 14:47:39 <antonela> i'd like to have the inner section in a better shape before send it to the list pili 14:47:40 <pili> I added one item which I think is a ticket in dip already about the section nav 14:47:55 <pili> antonela: that's fine, let me know when I can email the list for review 14:48:00 <pili> I was planning to do it tomorrow, but I can wait 14:48:15 <antonela> i can work on the website today/tomorrow, then i should move to other stuffs 14:48:20 <pili> I had made a few changes to content in my fork which I should submit to git-web 14:48:32 <pili> but actually, I'm not sure of the correct process to make a PR on gitweb 14:48:55 <pili> I don't want to push directly 14:49:22 <emmapeel> i dont like .onion! /me roots for onion 14:49:57 <emmapeel> also it does not translate well because you are talkin gabout servicios cebolla not servicios .cebolla 14:50:03 <antonela> emmapeel: agreed 14:50:24 <antonela> i think steph will review all the content before we freeze it for translation 14:50:38 <antonela> and that should include a consistent approach to mention it 14:51:14 <emmapeel> or we can also do a little regexp and she will not even have to think about this! 14:51:28 <antonela> emmapeel: haha nno 14:51:29 <emmapeel> :D im ok with whatever you decide really 14:52:20 <antonela> pili, the content at the outreach and training sections is already up? 14:52:55 <pili> for training I think it's only on my fork 14:53:04 <pili> for outreach there's no actual content afaik, just resources 14:53:16 <pili> but I should double check with ggus and flexlibris 14:53:42 <antonela> oki, i wanted to check with ggus, but he is running activities this week so will be hard to sync on timezones 14:54:34 <pili> yup 14:54:38 <antonela> also, we should define where is the best place to have all this material? like, should i upload the content at the community repo folder? 14:54:41 <antonela> what was decided on it? 14:54:56 <pili> I need to read the meeting backlog, one sec 14:55:23 <pili> 14:17:42 <pili> then let's go with what ggus said, keep in community portal for now and create an issue to remember to find a better place for these resources 14:55:36 <pili> so yes, let's upload to community repo 14:55:58 <pili> let me create the ticket now :P 14:56:07 <antonela> pm mode on 14:56:11 <antonela> oki, lets do it 14:57:34 <antonela> i think that is all 14:57:41 <pili> yup! 14:57:42 <antonela> anything else folks? am i missing something? 14:57:47 <pili> on to the next meeting... 14:57:50 <pili> I'm good 14:58:04 <antonela> thanks for coming all! 14:58:05 <antonela> o/ 14:58:08 <antonela> #endmeeting