17:58:29 <nickm> #startmeeting network team, 11 Feb 17:58:29 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Feb 11 17:58:29 2019 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:58:29 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:58:33 <nickm> welcome all! 17:58:37 <ahf> hello everyone 17:58:38 <nickm> happy february! 17:58:53 <nickm> how is post-brussels recovery? 17:59:04 <ahf> great 17:59:14 <ahf> thanks for a good meeting (and a fun fosdem for everyone who stayed around for that) 18:00:10 <dgoulet> hi 18:00:17 <nickm> I see dgoulet and catalyst and ahf; gaba will be 5 min late; teor is still off for a few days, I think,... 18:00:28 <nickm> Are mikeperry and asn around? 18:00:40 <mikeperry> nickm: yah 18:00:42 <ahf> asn most likely isn't 18:00:48 <ahf> he said so on the pad too 18:00:48 <nickm> ok 18:00:59 <nickm> hadn't seen that yet. (Sorry to miss you, asn!) 18:01:02 <nickm> mikeperry: cool! 18:01:26 <gaba> o/ 18:01:42 <nickm> anyways, let's get started! gaba has started inputting our fresh new roadmap into a fresh new kanban -- let's see if it matches what we're doing? 18:02:07 <gaba> i have everything there but the anti-censorship stuff. Hopefully I will have it in the roadmap today 18:02:11 <nickm> IIUC trac remains the ground truth about what's done and how done it is -- we're just using the kanban to keep tabs on our roadmap 18:02:39 <ahf> love it 18:02:43 <nickm> maybe after you're done we should all check the roadmap to see if it matches the stuff we're doing in Feb-May at least, according to the photos on the web? 18:02:51 <gaba> yes 18:02:59 <ahf> gaba: cool! and we move some of the things i can see that are anti-censorship related from the network team kanban to the anti-censorship team one? 18:03:05 <gaba> yes 18:03:10 <ahf> cool! 18:03:23 <gaba> im thinking we can have the snowflake stuff in the snowflake roadmap that involves several teams 18:03:38 <gaba> the bridgedb stuff may stay in the network team for now, what do you think? 18:03:45 <ahf> let's do that as a product one too? 18:03:54 <ahf> i think having roadmaps on the products makes a lot more sense for the non-core-tor things? 18:04:11 <ahf> err, having kanban boards per product 18:04:13 <gaba> ok, we can try that. I will update the bridgedb roadmap with the stuff we have then 18:04:24 <ahf> (it might be others in here disagree) 18:04:29 <dgoulet> where is the new roadmap? (kanban?) 18:04:36 <ahf> dgoulet: there is a link to storm on the pad 18:04:37 <nickm> Can chutney tickets (like #29280) and bridge stats listing (#29269) go here too? 18:04:51 <dgoulet> ahf: nice I see it now, thanks 18:05:01 <ahf> bridge statistics probably should go, hm, i don't with the chutney one 18:05:14 <ahf> we have many chutney things on our roadmap after brussels? 18:05:22 <gaba> there are 2 or 3 18:05:24 <ahf> my mind only remembers the anti censorship team things :-/ 18:06:10 <nickm> they are a significant amount of time for me and teor 18:06:29 <nickm> also, I think we broke #27908 into smaller stuff, and broke that up into separate months? 18:06:47 * nickm is looking at "in progress" on the kanban and comparing it to my february roadmapped items 18:06:53 <ahf> nickm: where do you prefer having them for your workflow? to keep them on the network team one? then i think we should do that 18:07:10 <nickm> imo chutney is mostly a network team thing 18:07:15 <ahf> agreed 18:07:23 <ahf> let's keep that on the network team one then 18:08:02 <nickm> is anybody working on anything this week that is _not_ currently "in progress" on the kanban? 18:08:14 <nickm> for me there's the two tickets I mentioned above. 18:08:26 <ahf> looks right for me 18:08:34 <nickm> also I'm not doing #27908 this week afaik, since it should be broken up 18:08:40 <gaba> nickm: yes, those tickets are the bridgedb stuff that i still had no tiem to add 18:08:45 <nickm> dgoulet, mikeperry, catalyst? 18:08:51 <dgoulet> #26288 needs to go "In Progress" 18:08:56 <dgoulet> because I depend of the PRNG in review ;) 18:09:15 <nickm> dgoulet: you should be able to move it to "in progress" -- grab it by the thing on the upper right 18:09:40 <mikeperry> I am going to work on #29204 this week so I have a chance for dgoulet to comment and review before he goes on leave 18:09:42 <dgoulet> nickm: I can _barely_ see the Kanban in TB right now ... :S still loading... and I can drag :S 18:09:45 <dgoulet> can't drag* 18:09:58 <gaba> you need to be log into storm to drag 18:10:04 <nickm> ok, I moved it 18:10:06 <dgoulet> thx 18:10:12 <nickm> it was "in review" now it's "in progress" 18:10:28 * catalyst hunts for the kanban 18:10:39 <nickm> the link is on the pad, right under the spreadsheet link 18:10:44 <gaba> the kanban will be in much better shape next week. sorry 18:10:45 <nickm> meeting pad is https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2019.1-keep 18:11:04 <nickm> https://pad.riseup.net/redirect#https%3A//storm.torproject.org/shared/_mx8PMGOHFBOximocl1gy3COvhLPr6k3Ja7JA1vNIXr is the kanban I hope 18:11:15 <nickm> err, without the riseup mess 18:11:21 <nickm> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/_mx8PMGOHFBOximocl1gy3COvhLPr6k3Ja7JA1vNIXr 18:11:42 <catalyst> thanks. found it independently already 18:11:45 <nickm> great 18:11:52 * catalyst finds the head of the meeting pad too cluttered to parse easily 18:13:29 <nickm> storm request -- it would be helpful for me if more people uploaded avatar photos. It doesn't need to be a picture of you -- an animal or a plant or an object would be fine. But these weird pixel-avatars never work for me 18:13:36 <dgoulet> mikeperry: just ping me on IRC once you want a review 18:14:08 <nickm> so, can anybody still not see the kanban? is everybody's this-week work currently marked "in progress?" 18:14:46 <mikeperry> I logged in but I am stuck in card view and can't get back to the whole board for some reason.. 18:15:04 <dgoulet> I see most of it but most of it is still loading but so far so good for the In Progress 18:15:07 <nickm> try the "x" on the upper right of the card, if you see one? 18:15:19 <mikeperry> aha yes 18:15:45 <gaba> mikeperry: let me know later what you are working on and we move it. so far everything is in backlog for the stuff you are working on 18:16:26 <mikeperry> gaba: yes I am just trying to move #29204 for this week (it's 5 points) 18:16:29 <nickm> dgoulet: at Brussels, did we decide that the right thing for review assignments was to point everybody at trac, and for the spreadsheet to be just for you and asn to keep track? 18:16:45 <dgoulet> nickm: I believe so it was one of the conclusion 18:16:45 <mikeperry> I am now stuck in some column view.. bleh. still can't get back to the original full board view 18:16:56 <catalyst> collapse the left sidebar? 18:16:57 <dgoulet> nickm: did we all decide that? ... that is unknown to me lol 18:17:23 <nickm> I think we were okay with that. I'll adjust the pad... 18:17:25 <catalyst> mikeperry: if you see the words "apps" and "grains" in the left sidebar maybe try collapsing it? 18:17:30 <gaba> mikeperry: ahh, you have to click several times to the icon near "search" 18:17:41 <mikeperry> ah there we go that was it. yes 18:18:21 <nickm> When folks are ready to look at tickets for review: here are all the needs_review tickets on trac that have a reviewer listed for them, sorted by reviewer: 18:18:25 <nickm> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=needs_review&reviewer=!&max=300&col=id&col=summary&col=reviewer&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&order=reviewer&report=82 18:18:30 <nickm> This is a report; it's also in the pad 18:19:02 <ahf> cool 18:19:27 <nickm> If you want, you can make one that's only the ones for you, and just look at that: that's what I've done. 18:19:43 <nickm> (You can do a custom query on trac, and then bookmark it in your favorite browser) 18:20:07 * gaba brb 18:20:51 <dgoulet> there is a large backlog of needs_review btw so don't be surprised on the amount :S 18:21:00 <dgoulet> but ofc, we might have failed to properly load balance 18:21:16 <nickm> official rotations this week are catalyst on bug rotation and mikeperry on CI+coverity. 18:21:39 <nickm> catalyst and mikeperry: I'd like to help with both of those if you notice anything that will take more than a brief moment; I know there may be backlog 18:22:14 <catalyst> nickm: ok, thanks! 18:22:54 <nickm> Nobody has added any announcements or discussion that I can see -- I removed a couple that were left over from before Brussels... 18:23:10 <nickm> As for proposed tickets -- did we wind up with a process here coming out of brussels? 18:24:47 <nickm> I see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019BrusselsNetworkTeam/Notes/ReleasePlanning 18:25:04 <gaba> we didn't discuss proposed tickets :/ 18:25:26 <nickm> I'm going to try to focus on 0.3.5 and 0.4.0 stuff for planning -- maybe I can come up with a process there, trying to follow what's suggested on that wiki. 18:25:38 <gaba> ok, thanks! 18:25:40 <nickm> i'll document what I do, make it undoable, and we can see how we like it next Monday? 18:25:51 <gaba> it sounds good 18:26:57 <nickm> okay. Anything else to talk about today, or did we just have ourselves a short meeting? 18:27:13 <nickm> gaba: did you want to add anything? 18:27:55 <gaba> no, only that I'm gathering documentation on software development practices (as I said in my status) 18:28:04 <gaba> if you want to add anything let me know 18:29:14 <nickm> okay, I think we're done! 18:29:28 <nickm> Thanks, everybody! I'll hang out online for a while longer, in case I can be helpful w anything 18:29:38 <gaba> o/ 18:29:52 <nickm> cheers all! It was good seeing you in person, and I look forward to all the important things we'll be doing between now and the next meeting! 18:29:55 <nickm> #endmeeting