15:59:52 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 15:59:52 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Nov 29 15:59:52 2018 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:52 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:17 <karsten> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/5h1Goax5eNusxjXJ_Ty5Wl7hFR1uqCReUiN8xdlBG8T <- agenda pad 16:00:24 <karsten> anything that's missing? 16:01:02 <irl> not from me 16:01:12 <karsten> ok. gaba, are you around now? 16:02:03 <karsten> if not, let's move the first topic to the end. 16:02:25 <karsten> * next retrospective: dec 3rd 16:02:40 <karsten> sounds like the date works for all of us. 16:02:56 <irl> did we decide a time? 16:03:00 <karsten> what time should we pick? 16:00 UTC? 17:00 UTC? 18:00 UTC? 16:03:17 <karsten> I don't think we did. 16:03:46 <irl> 16:00 or 17:00 are ok, 18:00 is probably not 16:04:04 <karsten> okay. 16:04:19 <karsten> maybe gaba joins us later today. if not, email. 16:04:33 <karsten> moving on. 16:04:35 <karsten> * open reviews: #28353, #28137, #28305 (karsten) 16:04:47 <karsten> these are smaller reviews, I hope. 16:04:59 <irl> aah, but they are not all needs_review 16:05:05 <karsten> can you take a look and maybe do these reviews if they're indeed quick? 16:05:10 <karsten> possible, yes. 16:05:25 <karsten> some are needs_comment_by_irl. :) 16:05:37 <irl> i look at my query regularly to spot things that need review 16:05:44 <irl> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=merge_ready&status=needs_review&reviewer=irl&or&status=merge_ready&status=needs_review&owner=!irl&component=%5EMetrics&reviewer=&col=id&col=summary&col=reviewer&col=component&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=changetime&order=priority 16:05:49 <karsten> yes, I know. 16:06:24 <karsten> I'm asking, because november is almost over, and maybe something can still be resolved before EOM. 16:06:46 <irl> ok, november is over for me in 1 hour because tomorrow is a public holiday 16:06:51 <karsten> oh. 16:07:14 <karsten> let's forget about it then. 16:07:19 <karsten> next week. 16:07:32 <irl> ok, i can try to do them on the 3rd 16:07:40 <karsten> ok. 16:07:58 <karsten> let's move on to the next item then. 16:08:02 <karsten> * blog post (karsten) 16:08:08 <karsten> did you see my graphs? 16:08:18 <irl> yes i did 16:09:14 <irl> the first 3 are quite easy to understand i think 16:09:23 <irl> the one that compares databases is going to take more explaining 16:10:21 <karsten> okay, we can leave that out then. 16:10:55 <irl> the comparison between relays and cw is a very compelling argument for using cw as a better metric than relays 16:11:33 <karsten> would you want to draft some text for the post? you could also author it, if you want. 16:12:00 <karsten> agreed re: relays vs. cw. 16:12:16 <irl> yes, i can look at doing this 16:12:32 <irl> is that huge spike the time that everyone was at ccc and suddenly all the relays appeared on google cloud? 16:13:33 <karsten> heh, I don't know. could be! 16:13:53 <irl> i have memories of this happening but i don't remember which year, i'll see if i can find out. 16:14:02 <karsten> probably worth investigating, because that's probably a question folks would ask. 16:14:06 <irl> it is nice that the CW graph is unaffected by this change 16:14:11 <karsten> yep! 16:14:25 <karsten> so, the post is supposed to be published around dec 7. 16:14:50 <irl> i think i can draft some text on the 3rd, but you might have to finish it because sbs is coming to aberdeen for the active measurement / ooni hackathon 16:15:03 <irl> which is the 5th/6th/7th 16:15:13 <karsten> okay, that sounds good to me. 16:15:17 <irl> cool (: 16:15:29 <karsten> please prioritize this over the other reviews we talked about earlier. 16:15:38 <irl> ok 16:15:44 <irl> that is helpful 16:16:03 <karsten> okay, great! 16:16:11 <karsten> we ran out of topics, I think. 16:16:41 <karsten> unless you have more? 16:17:07 <irl> no, the collector work is keeping me busy and i think you answered all of the latest round of questions in your last email 16:17:21 <karsten> okay, cool! 16:17:23 <irl> oh, except one 16:17:26 <karsten> yes? 16:17:49 <irl> do you still think we should have the feature that does perform the downloads of /*/all given how little extra data we get out of it? 16:17:58 <irl> or should we ignore it until we have a better mechanism? 16:18:37 <karsten> are we going to import from cached descriptors, synced over from dir auths? 16:18:51 <karsten> hmm, maybe that's unrelated, though. 16:18:54 <irl> i'm not familiar with this mechanism 16:18:57 <irl> do we currently do that? 16:19:00 <karsten> yes. 16:19:35 <irl> this seems like a thing we should find a way to not do 16:19:45 <karsten> yes. 16:19:55 <karsten> we import gabelmoo's cached descriptors. 16:20:14 <karsten> gabelmoo puts them on a web server, and we download them from there. 16:20:49 <karsten> but it's probably unrelated, because your analysis shows that downloading /*/all doesn't give us much anyway. 16:21:00 <irl> right 16:21:03 <karsten> we need a different way to download really all descriptors. 16:21:20 <irl> ok, i will put this into the next steps then for dir-spec extension 16:21:26 <karsten> so, I think it's the right way not to download /*/all. 16:21:32 <karsten> sounds good! 16:21:44 <irl> ok then, that's everything from me (: 16:21:50 <karsten> cool! 16:22:12 <karsten> have a good long weekend! bye. :) 16:22:18 <irl> bye! 16:22:22 <karsten> #endmeeting