19:00:50 <GeKo> #startmeeting tor-browser 11/26 19:00:50 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Nov 26 19:00:50 2018 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:50 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:55 <GeKo> alright 19:00:59 <GeKo> let's get started 19:00:59 <pili> hi 19:01:05 <mcs> hi 19:01:20 <boklm> hi 19:01:25 <pospeselr> hi hi 19:01:30 <sisbell> hey 19:01:48 <antonela> O/ 19:02:02 <pospeselr> bobble-head antonela :) 19:02:07 <sysrqb> ello 19:02:07 <antonela> haha fail 19:02:07 <igt0> :) 19:04:57 <GeKo> ookay, let's look over the status updates 19:07:19 <GeKo> sysrqb: should we sync some time this week for the sandboxing stuff? 19:07:32 <GeKo> i wished we had more time before the all hands meeting but here we are 19:08:00 <sysrqb> GeKo: yes, i'd like that 19:08:22 <sysrqb> plus anyone else 19:08:36 <pospeselr> yeah same 19:08:42 <sysrqb> i need to re-read the emails and remember what we talked about 19:08:48 <GeKo> yeah 19:08:58 <GeKo> so, given that we are struggling to get the alpha releaes out 19:09:02 <GeKo> first 19:09:16 <GeKo> i guess we could do some time on friday? 19:09:50 <sysrqb> that should be good 19:10:03 <sysrqb> i told tjr i'd email Moz peopee by eod on friday 19:10:09 <sysrqb> *people 19:10:15 <GeKo> good 19:10:45 <GeKo> so i guess something like 1900 UTC? 19:10:57 <GeKo> i'll send an email to tbb-dev 19:11:02 <sysrqb> that'll work for me 19:11:05 <GeKo> so anyone can join who is interested 19:11:10 <sysrqb> great, yep 19:11:20 <sysrqb> thanks 19:11:59 <GeKo> okay, it seems we are done with discussing status updates? 19:12:00 <sisbell> GeKo: what is meeting about? 19:12:28 <GeKo> it's about our strategy to improve tor browser sandboxing on our different platforms 19:12:47 <GeKo> independent from the content sandboxing mozilla provides 19:12:57 <sisbell> I see, thanks 19:13:04 <sysrqb> i think pili had a question about #25702 19:13:06 <GeKo> we eventually want to get funding for that as it is a huge topic 19:13:12 <sysrqb> but it looks like anto just answered it 19:13:16 <GeKo> yeah 19:13:38 <pili> yup, but I think the answer is also I need to create a ticket for it :) 19:13:51 <GeKo> please do 19:14:06 <antonela> yes, i have assets for tba folks 19:14:15 <sysrqb> ii tihnk @5702 could've been parent, with desktop and andrid children 19:14:21 <sysrqb> *android 19:14:27 <antonela> yep 19:14:39 <pili> yup, I just couldn't see any android children :) 19:14:44 <sysrqb> but at this point, i think a child for TBA makes sense 19:14:48 <sysrqb> yeah :) 19:14:59 <sysrqb> for a good reason 19:15:18 <pospeselr> if it's not too much of a pain to get android build's going I'd be happy to grab that as part of #25702 19:15:26 <pospeselr> or as a child or whatever 19:16:04 <pili> ok, let me just create a ticket quickly just so we don't forget 19:16:35 <GeKo> re the question when we release the new icons 19:16:49 <antonela> yes, 19:16:50 <GeKo> i don't have a string opinion 19:17:02 <GeKo> we could leave it riding the 8.5 train 19:17:13 <GeKo> testing the alpha and nightly versions 19:17:17 <antonela> i like to save it for 8.5 :) 19:17:40 <GeKo> you mean all icons once we switch to 8.5 stable? 19:18:02 <antonela> nono, lets test alpha and nightly 19:18:21 <GeKo> okay, yeah, that's what i thought 19:18:33 <GeKo> so review and merge to alpha as usual and no backport 19:18:38 <GeKo> wfm 19:18:48 <antonela> cool 19:19:09 <GeKo> we could sync with comms for the alpha release once the new icons got in 19:19:16 <antonela> we should sync with stephw at some point 19:19:17 <antonela> yes 19:19:20 <GeKo> not sure if that's worthwhile 19:19:30 <GeKo> but we could bring this up at this week's release meeting 19:19:35 <antonela> exactly 19:19:48 <antonela> pili, could we have stephw on wednesday too? 19:20:44 <pili> yup, I'll invite her 19:20:49 <antonela> super, thanks! 19:21:38 <GeKo> okay, discussion time 19:21:49 <GeKo> let's start with our release situation 19:22:07 <GeKo> we did not get our releases out last week, so let's try as soon as possible this week 19:22:32 <GeKo> the remaining blocker i am aware of is the orbot integration 19:22:44 <GeKo> i am basically done reviewing all patches 19:22:54 <GeKo> and it looks mostly good 19:23:06 <GeKo> we "just" need to assmeble the final pieces and make them stick 19:23:29 <sisbell> GeKo: I'll start testing today 19:23:38 <GeKo> then there is the possible issue that an update does not use our included torbutton bu the addon we shipped so far 19:23:47 <GeKo> which is quite concerning 19:23:54 <sysrqb> pospeselr: i don't personally know how difficult it'll be, so maybe igt0, sisbell, or I should look at it first 19:23:56 <GeKo> sysrqb will look into that 19:23:57 <sysrqb> before you waste too uch time on it 19:24:28 <pospeselr> okay! 19:24:45 <GeKo> so apart from those two things anything else that needs to get in? 19:25:08 <GeKo> #26843 would be swell but that requires anybody other than me reviewing and testing it 19:25:30 <GeKo> i think it works although i wrote the patch without the orbot integration 19:25:41 <GeKo> but that should just work, right? :) 19:26:29 <GeKo> sisbell: thanks. yeah, 27977 is the single-most important bug right now 19:27:18 <GeKo> okay, not much need for discussion, great 19:28:57 <GeKo> let's talk about arthur's stuff then 19:29:33 <GeKo> looking at the list the most important job is the continuing uplift coordination 19:29:48 <GeKo> who would be up for that role? 19:30:53 <GeKo> i guess the plan would be to talk to arthur about all the things this entails (or which arthur did) 19:30:54 <pospeselr> what all doe sthat involve? coordinating with mozilla people and updating/modifying patches for uplift? 19:30:59 <GeKo> and then takit from there 19:31:11 <GeKo> pospeselr: yes, pretty much that 19:31:30 <pospeselr> i can have a go at it 19:31:40 <GeKo> but there is pretty much room on how one wants to fill that role 19:32:03 <GeKo> great, thanks, richard! 19:32:26 <GeKo> i'll ping arthur and we can get it started and adjust later on 19:32:41 <pospeselr> yup added a 'bug arthur about patch uplift' to my todo list :p 19:32:45 <antonela> haha 19:33:06 <GeKo> pospeselr: okay, even better. could you start an email thing and cc me 19:33:12 <GeKo> so we have some process on record 19:33:19 <GeKo> and start from that one 19:33:22 <pospeselr> can do! 19:33:48 <GeKo> looking at the remaining items i think we can pick them up ad hoc 19:34:19 <GeKo> we should not move into the trap to pick up everything right now given that we have one less in our team 19:34:39 <GeKo> i have some ideas about the rebase but need to think a bit more about it 19:35:14 <GeKo> any suggestions? objections? 19:35:50 <sysrqb> none from me right now 19:36:27 <GeKo> we can move on to the next topic while folks keep thinking about it i guess 19:36:45 <GeKo> there are two meetings this wwek that are slightly related i think 19:37:06 <GeKo> so, i guess feel free to join them. i won't have time for both 19:37:36 <antonela> about snowflake: is a kickoff, i'm not sure what is needed on TB side, so if any tb folk can show up could be useful 19:37:49 <GeKo> pili: a gentle reminder for the android build part for snowflake that the network-team still thinks they need to do 19:38:07 <pili> yup, I spoke to gaba about it :) 19:38:20 <pili> I can bring it up again at the meeting 19:38:29 <GeKo> yup, sounds good 19:38:33 <pili> (or remind her about it if I can't make it :D) 19:38:51 <GeKo> 11pm utc is quite rough for me :) 19:38:58 <pili> yup, me too ;) 19:39:27 <GeKo> okay, all hands 19:39:42 <GeKo> what do we need to discuss? 19:39:56 <GeKo> is there stuff we still want to coordinate? 19:42:36 * antonela looks at the gdoc 19:42:51 <GeKo> okay. it seems the folks going there have everything sorted out? 19:42:54 <GeKo> great 19:43:08 <pospeselr> who all is going this time around? 19:43:09 <antonela> we have date and time now 19:43:18 <GeKo> pili and i were wondering whether it would be useful to show up remote to some sessions? 19:43:42 <GeKo> if that's the case let us know i guess 19:43:53 <antonela> yes, would be 19:44:16 <antonela> not sure about timezones but i can stream my computer if is needed 19:44:38 <pili> sounds good, I imagine it will be tricky, but we can try :) 19:45:16 <antonela> sandboxing, ux/ui and "Synergy of Anti-tracking and Tor Technology" are the tb related ones i think 19:45:42 <GeKo> okay 19:45:46 <sysrqb> are there any questions we should try and discovery answers to for people who won't be going? 19:46:34 <GeKo> mozilla's mobile roadmap 19:46:39 <sysrqb> (if anyone thinks of something, they should let us know) 19:46:44 <GeKo> but i guess you have this covered already 19:47:21 <GeKo> then i still think it's worthwhile figuring out our options for extension inclusion into tor browser for esr68 19:47:34 <sysrqb> ah, yeah, that's on my list too :) 19:47:59 <GeKo> which one :) 19:49:20 <GeKo> (i hope "both" is the answer ;) ) 19:49:49 <GeKo> i guess that's it for today? 19:49:57 <GeKo> or do we have anything else to discussion? 19:50:25 <GeKo> *discuss 19:50:27 <sysrqb> (mobile was already on my list, but we can add the extensions question, too :)) 19:50:56 <GeKo> thx 19:51:30 <GeKo> okay, i am calling then. thanks for coming and happy release-preparing for this week :) *baf* 19:51:35 <GeKo> #endmeeting