19:00:36 <pili> #startmeeting tor-browser-release 11/14 19:00:36 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Nov 14 19:00:36 2018 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:36 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:54 <pili> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/WiApfsWC6Xch1m6VixvdQ-uahFVocVKqaN43iCvyPlF 19:01:01 <pili> that's the pad ^ 19:01:26 <pili> I added in some tickets I thought might make it in to the next TBA release, but feel free to start crossing things out because I think it may have been a bit ambitious 19:01:33 * GeKo stumbles in 19:01:57 <pili> we can discuss the relative priorities a bit as well also and then if there are no requests we can move on to the security settings portion of the meeting :) 19:02:40 <antonela> jiji 19:02:44 <pili> I haven't put anything for the next Tor Browser desktop releases yet but we can discuss also if anyone has any particular requests 19:03:07 <GeKo> pili: we'll do a desktop alpha release earlier than the security fix one 19:03:19 <pili> ok 19:03:20 <GeKo> probably in the wake of the android alpha release 19:03:30 <pili> great, I'll add that in the pad 19:03:40 <pili> so 8.5 only? 19:03:42 <GeKo> we need test the new tor alpha 19:03:48 <pili> 8.5.x I should say 19:03:48 <GeKo> yes, i think so 19:03:58 <GeKo> but i am not sure about the stable yet 19:04:13 <GeKo> i guess that depends in part on updates to the banner 19:04:21 <GeKo> iirc there was the plan to test changes to it 19:04:57 <pili> right, I guess sstevenson can maybe comment on that :) 19:05:11 <pili> the plan is still for the TBA release to be on the 23rd November? 19:05:27 <GeKo> so far, yes, i think so 19:05:41 <sstevenson> we are working on updated banners for the 12/11 TB release 19:05:49 <GeKo> we'll see how far we get until monday and make a final decision then 19:05:54 <GeKo> sstevenson: ack 19:05:55 <sstevenson> i think the TBA banners are set 19:06:10 <pili> sstevenson: that's fine, so you don't want to try to get any new ones in before then? :) 19:06:11 <GeKo> so, then only a desktop alpha probably in addition to the new tba 19:06:18 <antonela> GeKo when is the deadline for those banners to have it ready for the next release? 19:06:34 <GeKo> you eman for 12/11? 19:06:38 <GeKo> *mean 19:06:41 <antonela> yep, what sstevenson mentioned 19:06:50 <GeKo> a week before latest 19:06:56 <sstevenson> we’ve accelerated the pace for the 12/11 banners so arthuredelstein can help before he leaves us 19:06:59 <GeKo> so ideally begin of december 19:07:00 <sstevenson> :-( 19:07:02 <antonela> oki, so first week of devember 19:07:06 <GeKo> yes 19:07:07 <antonela> perfect, thx 19:07:23 <sstevenson> we are hoping to have the language done by friday, but monday at the latest 19:07:30 <GeKo> pili: why got #28329 a stiek through? 19:07:33 <GeKo> *strike 19:07:47 <antonela> i uploaded my notes today! 19:08:00 <pili> I thought it may be a bit ambitious for the 23rd November release, but would love for it to go in! 19:08:06 <GeKo> sstevenson: i don't know who translates all this but we might want to have some kind of quality control here 19:08:35 <antonela> emmapeel via transifex 19:08:36 <sstevenson> yes, i know there were issues with “anonymity loves company” and its translation 19:08:51 <GeKo> yeah 19:09:05 <antonela> sstevenson: i tried to find that issue/comment and i didn't find it, is italian the problem? 19:09:15 <GeKo> and the other one where we actually inddicated that the money goes to mozilla 19:09:23 <GeKo> :( 19:09:26 <antonela> :/ 19:09:30 <pili> the italian one sounded more like a typo than anything 19:09:30 <GeKo> instead of mozilla matching the donation 19:09:37 <pili> I didn't read anything about the other one :( 19:09:57 <antonela> sstevenson: i tried to find that issue/comment and i didn't find it, is italian the problem? 19:09:59 <boklm> #28301 19:10:01 <antonela> sorry 19:10:07 <sstevenson> ah i didn’t hear about the mozilla one 19:10:13 <antonela> sstevenson: if you can list that issues, we can fix those 19:10:17 <GeKo> #28301 19:10:18 <pili> it's a hard one... how can we do that with the current localization process? can we rope in emmapeel to the meeting for comments? :) 19:10:44 <GeKo> ah, boklm was faster, thanks 19:10:47 <pili> as in, is there some sort of review process for translations? 19:10:57 <GeKo> i don't think so 19:11:05 <pili> italian should be an easy one to double check at least 19:11:06 <GeKo> at least we did not have one in the recent past 19:11:07 <antonela> oh was french not italian 19:11:10 <antonela> thanks boklm! 19:11:11 <GeKo> both 19:11:12 <pili> we have resources ;) 19:11:20 <arthuredelstein> transifex has a mechanism for reviewing translated strings 19:11:28 <arthuredelstein> but it's largely not being used for most locales 19:12:04 <arthuredelstein> if we can have people who can do those reviews I think emmapeel can set you up with an account 19:12:31 <arthuredelstein> actually, I take it back, some locales are getting reviewed 19:12:37 <arthuredelstein> see https://torpat.ch/locales 19:13:01 <GeKo> arthuredelstein: by whom? 19:13:14 <GeKo> i mean not by tpo people, right? 19:13:17 <arthuredelstein> there are volunteer reviewers as well as volunteer translators 19:13:18 <arthuredelstein> correct 19:13:25 <pili> ok, let me think about it, I guess we need to balance the need of getting translations out quickly with checking they are correct 19:13:27 <arthuredelstein> but we could have tpo people volunteer as reviewers 19:13:53 <GeKo> pili: yes, and there are more critcial things than others 19:13:55 <pili> yeah, it would have to be voluntary for sure, people are quite busy :/ 19:14:11 <GeKo> so, we could rope in people for important stuff, like the banner 19:14:22 <pili> yup 19:14:29 <GeKo> i mean those mistakes are quite embarassing tbh 19:14:46 <sstevenson> yes 19:14:55 <pili> ok, so once we have the new banner text and we have translations we should get people to review 19:15:05 <arthuredelstein> embarassing but probably the main strings in tor browser are also very important :) 19:15:07 <pili> I'll circle back with emmapeel to see about setting that up 19:15:12 <GeKo> i actually wonder why this happened this year 19:15:17 <GeKo> never heard about it before 19:15:23 <sstevenson> let me know what i can do. we might want to consider a very simple banner to be localized 19:15:44 <antonela> sstevenson: will we need to translate different strings for 12/11? 19:16:08 <sstevenson> i think we were planning on whatever process occured the first time around 19:16:37 <arthuredelstein> if some strings are long or complex we could consider restricting them to en-US 19:16:47 <sstevenson> the simplest localized banner, “we need your support” resulted in the most clicks to the donate page 19:16:48 <antonela> that means? im asking because if yes, is better to have them soonish so we can have a proper review process 19:17:06 <arthuredelstein> sstevenson: what percent of our donors are from non-en-US locales? 19:18:14 <sstevenson> good question - we don’t have that data 19:18:33 <sstevenson> but we received about half the number of clicks on all translated banners 19:19:12 <sstevenson> when we do know the country someone is from, i think about a quarter, or a bit more are non-us 19:19:21 <pili> ok, sounds like we need more info.... let me follow up on this offline if that's ok? :) 19:19:38 <sstevenson> sounds good. i can dig into the data if that is helpful 19:20:05 <pili> yup, just to know how much effort is realistically necessary, or which languages we should concentrate more on reviewing 19:20:41 <pili> as in, it's not as important to make sure we review language x really carefully if we've never had any donations from there... 19:20:47 <pili> maybe :) 19:21:25 <pili> ok, let's move on then 19:21:40 <pili> any updates to the list for the TBA a2 release? 19:22:00 <pili> anything that will definitely not make it 19:22:29 <GeKo> probably a bunch of things 19:23:04 <GeKo> i need to figure our whether we have anything for the improved linkability/fingerprinting resistance 19:23:50 <GeKo> i think we might get all out must haves done 19:24:01 <GeKo> + donatin banner 19:24:06 <GeKo> *donation 19:24:25 <GeKo> + #26690 19:24:41 <pili> that'd be great if we can :) 19:24:48 <GeKo> the other stuff probably not 19:24:58 <GeKo> maaaaaybe #26843 19:25:08 <antonela> emmapeel: ^^^ 19:25:13 <pili> :D 19:25:16 <pili> anything of note/worth highlighting for the 8.5 alpha release? 19:25:20 <GeKo> + the option to switch locales a la fennec 19:25:36 <antonela> icons? #25702 19:26:20 <GeKo> improved linkability defenses #26540 and #22343 19:26:32 <GeKo> which took a lot of work 19:27:23 <GeKo> a new tor alpha 19:27:29 <GeKo> and minor stuff 19:27:29 <pili> ok, let me add those to the list 19:28:10 <antonela> what about #25475? do we want it? asn mentioned some easter egg, we can do it! 19:29:02 <pili> \o/ 19:29:28 <antonela> but we need to review that list, all the cc people in that ticket are not in that list ha 19:29:38 <pili> ok, nice, icon would be really cool also... :) 19:29:58 <antonela> yes, but we will need comms support to do that 19:30:57 <pili> ok, anything else from anyone? requests? comments? 19:32:21 <pili> if not... I'll end the meeting and we can move on with security settings discussion :) 19:32:25 <antonela> im groot 19:32:30 <pili> groot! 19:32:36 <pili> #endmeeting