14:29:38 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 14:29:38 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Oct 25 14:29:38 2018 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:38 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:30:26 <gaba> hey! 14:30:30 <karsten> hi! 14:30:52 <gaba> hi! 14:31:08 <karsten> 2 topics. anything more? 14:31:26 <irl> not from me 14:31:34 <gaba> 1 more is just to mention this gspreadsheet 14:31:45 <gaba> I'm only putting stuff there to organize myself a little on metrics 14:31:51 <gaba> Just want to clarify that 14:32:04 <gaba> It is not a decision I'm making for the team 14:32:09 <karsten> added to the agenda. 14:32:17 <karsten> no worries about changing things that need changing. :) 14:32:31 <karsten> okay, let's start? 14:32:37 <gaba> ok 14:32:44 <karsten> * gaba wants to update wiki page on releases, ok? (gaba) 14:32:51 <karsten> you mean the list on the team page? 14:32:57 <gaba> yes, It is ok if I update the releases part of the page? 14:32:59 <gaba> yes 14:33:04 <gaba> move 2017 to historical 14:33:06 <karsten> fine with me! 14:33:09 <gaba> and add the 2018 ones 14:33:09 <gaba> ok 14:33:22 <gaba> I will do it in the next couple of days 14:33:36 <irl> this doesn't look like something we've been updating at all 14:33:40 <irl> i didn't even know it was there 14:33:45 <gaba> since 2017 14:33:47 <gaba> ok 14:34:02 <karsten> I wonder what we're using it for. 14:34:12 <karsten> I mean, it's more useful when it's up-to-date. 14:34:15 <gaba> it would be good for people that may want to contribute 14:34:18 <gaba> yes 14:34:39 <irl> i did plan to have releases actually in metrics-web 14:34:52 <karsten> hmm? 14:34:53 <irl> but i never figured out where the data comes from 14:35:10 <karsten> ah, listed on the website? 14:35:13 <irl> yeah 14:35:22 <karsten> could be from git tags. 14:35:30 <karsten> or from dist.tp.o subdirectories. 14:35:43 <irl> the announcement link is the tricky bit, i think there is a manual step 14:36:18 <karsten> could be a table on a wiki page that we parse in a similar way as news. 14:36:23 <irl> yeah 14:36:26 <karsten> none of these is trivial. 14:36:53 <irl> it doesn't need to be solved now, just this is a use case for the table 14:37:05 <irl> it's probably easier to keep it up to date as we go along than try to reconstruct it later 14:37:05 <gaba> ok 14:37:24 <karsten> okay, so gaba updates the team wiki page for now? 14:37:32 <irl> sounds good to me 14:37:35 <gaba> good 14:37:39 <karsten> great. thanks! 14:37:54 <karsten> * Roadmap and Google Spreadsheet (gaba) 14:38:39 <gaba> The retrospective usually is an exercise to see what works and what needs to change 14:38:48 <gaba> We can have 1 specific session on roadmap 14:39:01 <gaba> Not sure how you were thinking of merging both sessions 14:39:11 <karsten> in the past we updated the roadmap at our first weekly meeting in a month. 14:39:18 <karsten> we could do that, too. 14:39:26 <karsten> and keep it out of the retrospective. 14:39:45 <gaba> yes, we can do one thing and then the next one in the same meeting 14:40:28 <gaba> the other thing is that at the network team we are adding sponsors to the tickets 14:40:37 <gaba> it would be great to have that for the tickets that are related to metrics 14:40:40 <gaba> add the sponsor 13 14:40:43 <karsten> wait, which meeting is it that you'd like to use for the roadmap updating? 14:41:03 <gaba> We can extend the one from retrospective but would be a 2nd thing to do in the same meeting 14:41:06 <gaba> On nov 2nd 14:41:32 <karsten> I'm also fine with moving it to the IRC meeting, if that works better. 14:41:34 <karsten> up to you. 14:42:09 <gaba> yes, the irc meeting on nov 2nd 14:42:12 <gaba> sorry I was not clear. 14:42:28 <karsten> wait, when is the video meeting? :) /me is confused 14:42:44 <gaba> mmm, I'm also confused. 14:42:53 <gaba> We are having a retrospective meeting on November 2nd in irc. 14:42:54 <gaba> Right? 14:42:57 <karsten> irc on nov 1, video on nov 2. 14:43:00 <gaba> ohh 14:43:19 <karsten> at least that was the plan. 14:43:30 <karsten> irc on nov 1 is just the weekly meeting like today's. 14:43:33 <irl> that is what i have in my diary 14:43:38 <gaba> ohh, ok 14:43:44 <gaba> i didn't realize the one nov 2nd was video 14:43:48 <gaba> much better! 14:43:53 <karsten> also, nov 1 at 14:30 utc, nov 2 at 16:30 utc. 14:44:07 <gaba> yes 14:44:12 <gaba> great. sorry for the confusion 14:44:15 <karsten> could be failure to communicate. 14:44:29 <karsten> this has changed once or twice. 14:44:41 <gaba> ok, understood now 14:44:46 <karsten> okay, great! 14:44:46 <irl> i have 1630 in my diary which i think means that summer time is over then 14:44:50 <irl> or i put the wrong time 14:44:59 <karsten> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181102T1630 14:45:01 <karsten> from the pad. 14:45:11 <irl> yeah, summer time is over 14:45:14 <irl> ok 14:45:16 <karsten> yep. will be. 14:46:13 <karsten> so, are going through the roadmap on the 1st or the 2nd? 14:46:25 <gaba> 2nd 14:46:35 <karsten> okay! 14:46:37 <gaba> or 1st if you prefer the 1st 14:46:39 <gaba> ok 14:47:00 <karsten> I don't feel strongly. let's try the 2nd and learn how it goes for the next time. 14:47:07 <gaba> ok 14:47:21 <karsten> so, regarding sponsor tickets: 14:47:36 <karsten> we should probably create tickets for most/all roadmap items. 14:47:50 <gaba> ok 14:47:57 <karsten> I guess the issue is that both irl and I know what we mean by these items, so the tickets aren't immediately useful to us. 14:48:13 <karsten> but it's clear that they're useful to you and others who want to follow what is being done. 14:48:28 <gaba> they can be useful for other people commenting on those issues and to know who is doing them 14:48:34 <gaba> yes 14:48:42 <karsten> I'll create or link tickets. 14:48:51 <karsten> until next thursday. 14:49:34 <gaba> thanks 14:49:38 <karsten> okay. do you have any other questions on the roadmap? 14:50:03 <gaba> nop 14:50:09 <gaba> estimation would be nice to have too :) 14:50:14 <gaba> but we can talk about that on the 2nd 14:50:19 <karsten> estimation of what's done? 14:50:21 <gaba> you are already doing that... 14:50:23 <gaba> with M, L 14:50:28 <gaba> how much time 14:50:33 <gaba> for each issue 14:50:34 <karsten> okay, yes. 14:50:51 <karsten> do you need anything beyond those estimates there? 14:51:02 <gaba> no 14:51:09 <karsten> okay. 14:51:40 <karsten> alright, moving on? 14:51:55 <gaba> yes 14:51:56 <irl> ok 14:52:00 <karsten> * Updating geoip files on Onionoo hosts (karsten) 14:52:10 <karsten> this is related to the relay country mismatch thread. 14:52:29 <sukhe> win 23 14:52:32 <karsten> irl, do you object if I just go update the geoip files on both onionoo instances, whenever there are new files available? 14:52:40 <sukhe> (sorry) 14:52:47 <karsten> :) 14:53:08 <irl> i do not 14:53:21 <karsten> okay, cool. it seems overkill to coordinate that once per month. 14:53:30 <karsten> then I'll do that today and once per month. 14:53:32 <irl> but it should be some automated process 14:53:44 <karsten> we'll have a service for this... :) 14:53:46 <irl> that you trigger manually, but the actual replacement is automated 14:53:55 <irl> or at least it's well documented protocol 14:54:13 <karsten> wget 2 files, unzip them, move them into place, hope nothing breaks. 14:54:24 <irl> do you not have to restart onionoo? 14:54:39 <karsten> no. you're just not supposed to do it in the middle of an hourly run. 14:54:49 <karsten> so, step 0: check where the updater is. 14:54:53 <irl> ah ok 14:55:01 <irl> we should have a lockfile 14:55:15 <karsten> we should have this service. 14:55:19 <irl> yes, ok 14:55:24 <irl> we will make a service 14:55:52 <karsten> okay, cool! 14:55:58 <irl> btw did you see maxmind changed their mind? 14:56:03 <karsten> yes! 14:56:06 <irl> the database will not be broken anymore 14:56:14 <karsten> does that resolve our roadmap item? 14:56:17 <irl> no 14:56:21 <karsten> or, make it lower prio? 14:56:33 <irl> lower priority 14:56:38 <irl> https://research.torproject.org/techreports/geoipdbcomp-2009-10-23.pdf 14:56:41 <karsten> which is something. 14:56:42 <irl> we should do this again 14:56:51 <irl> "work left to do" 14:56:53 <karsten> it was fun to do it. 14:57:15 <karsten> okay. 14:57:38 <karsten> anything else for today? 14:58:06 <irl> karsten: can i use your head to shoot lasers at code? 14:58:16 <irl> for the year end campaign? 14:58:38 <karsten> my head is somewhat unclear what this means, but: maybe? :) 14:58:46 <karsten> ah! 14:58:57 <karsten> it will be one head among many? 14:59:01 <irl> yes 14:59:02 <karsten> use it. 14:59:05 <irl> cool 14:59:16 <irl> nothing else from me (: 14:59:25 <karsten> (this conversation was more useful with context.) 14:59:31 <karsten> alright! 14:59:54 <karsten> talk to you next week! thanks, irl and gaba! bye! 14:59:54 <gaba> ok 14:59:58 <gaba> thanks! 14:59:59 <gaba> bye! 14:59:59 <irl> bye! 15:00:02 <karsten> #endmeeting