14:28:46 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 14:28:46 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Oct 11 14:28:46 2018 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:28:46 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:29:51 <karsten> irl: you around? 14:29:52 <irl> hello 14:29:55 <karsten> hey 14:30:22 <karsten> anything else for the agenda? 14:30:36 <irl> i think nothing else from me for the agenda 14:31:04 <karsten> alright. 14:31:09 <karsten> * Monthly report (karsten) 14:31:15 <karsten> I pasted the draft to the pad. 14:31:19 <karsten> what's missing? 14:31:39 <gaba> good report! 14:31:40 <karsten> or, would you want to go through it after the meeting and mention anything that's missing? 14:31:44 <karsten> thanks! :) 14:31:56 <irl> i think i would need to look through after the meeting 14:32:01 <karsten> works for me. 14:32:16 <irl> i'll also put up the pdf for the slides today 14:32:19 <karsten> what about our slides used in mexico? 14:32:29 <karsten> do you have a good place for putting it? 14:32:44 <karsten> and if so, would you mind putting the SOTO slides there, too? 14:32:58 <irl> i have a talks section at https://people.torproject.org/~irl/ 14:33:01 <karsten> otherwise I'd put them on people.tp.o, but I'm not sure how long they'll stay there. 14:33:11 <irl> oooh maybe i do have a good place to put them 14:33:21 <irl> but we'd have to add an agenda item and it would be a whole thing 14:33:32 <karsten> please do. 14:34:04 <irl> added an item to the agenda 14:34:09 <karsten> heh. ok. 14:34:16 <karsten> alright, moving on for now? 14:34:18 <irl> ok 14:34:21 <karsten> * CollecTor release (karsten) 14:34:39 <karsten> this also concerns deployment. 14:34:50 <karsten> when is a good time for that, assuming that the release looks okay? 14:35:13 <irl> today is not good, tomorrow is not much better 14:35:25 <irl> if it is urgent then we can do tomorrow, but i would prefer monday 14:35:30 <karsten> okay. 14:35:47 <karsten> it's not urgent enough that we should risk putting out a release that we don't like. 14:35:59 <irl> ok cool, i will put it in my diary for monday 14:36:01 <karsten> monday 14:30 UTC? 14:36:20 <irl> sounds good 14:36:29 <karsten> okay! 14:36:31 <karsten> * Monthly retrospective plans (karsten) 14:36:44 <karsten> so, gaba, we talked a bit more about this topic while being in mexico. 14:36:52 <gaba> yes 14:37:01 <karsten> we were wondering if we should have a monthly retrospective via video. 14:37:13 <karsten> that would be separate from the weekly meetings. 14:37:37 <karsten> we'd go through the roadmap, and do whatever retrospectivly things one does. 14:38:07 <karsten> and we thought that it's probably okay if you attended those meetings and the weekly meetings only whenever it's convenient for you. 14:38:12 <gaba> it sounds good! yes 14:38:42 <gaba> I will try to do the weekly meeting whenever I can but will have the retrospective ones in my calendar for sure. 14:38:52 <karsten> okay, sounds great! 14:39:02 <irl> do we know already when they are? 14:39:10 <karsten> early in the month, maybe first or second week? 14:39:19 <karsten> we didn't pick a date yet. 14:39:24 <karsten> what works best? 14:39:42 <irl> 5-9th november i am offline 14:40:32 <karsten> how about the 2nd? 14:40:40 <irl> that sounds good 14:40:43 <gaba> ok 14:40:54 <irl> what is a gaba-friendly time? 14:41:09 <karsten> .oO( summer time is over then... ) 14:41:21 <karsten> .oO( unless it's not in all parts of the world ) 14:41:36 <gaba> after 9am PDT would be the best :) 14:41:57 <irl> 16:30 UTC? 14:41:58 <karsten> ah, it's indeed still PDT then. 14:42:02 <gaba> after 4pm UTC 14:42:08 <gaba> yes 14:42:11 <gaba> 4:30 great 14:42:24 <karsten> that's 17:30 CET, right? 14:42:31 <irl> yes 14:42:50 <karsten> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181102T1630 14:42:54 <irl> not great for a friday, but maybe it's ok to do it once and we aim for mondays in the future 14:43:03 <gaba> PDT will be until nov 4th 14:43:16 <karsten> sounds good to me. 14:43:49 <karsten> gaba: would you be able to prepare an agenda, just so that we don't leave anything important out? 14:43:57 <karsten> prepare/suggest 14:44:08 <gaba> yes 14:44:16 <karsten> cool! 14:44:49 <karsten> alright. moving on? 14:44:55 <irl> ok 14:45:04 <gaba> so which date we are talking about? firday nov 16th? 14:45:12 <irl> nov 2nd 14:45:16 <gaba> ohh, ok 14:45:17 <gaba> yes 14:45:32 <gaba> 2nd of november, not 2nd week :P 14:45:34 <gaba> fine 14:45:39 <karsten> sorry for the confusion! 14:46:16 <karsten> okay, great. moving on to the next/last topic: 14:46:19 <karsten> * Mirroring Tor Metrics data to the Internet Archive (irl) 14:46:43 <irl> i was thinking about places we can archive data to make sure it survives past the end of time 14:46:44 * karsten wonders how that originates from my question to put a pdf on irl's server.. 14:46:49 <irl> archive.org seems like a good choice 14:46:59 <irl> we can also put pdfs of slides there and link to them 14:47:29 <irl> in the past i've also put videos with recorded talks from local meetups on there 14:48:11 <irl> it's mostly an idea to think about for now but perhaps we would add functionality to a future collector (in a future roadmap) to perform uploads to archive.org as part of its operation 14:48:38 <karsten> https://archive-it.org/collections/9175 14:49:25 <karsten> we're not linking that from anywhere, I just happen to know it exists. 14:50:06 <irl> that's a scraping model though 14:50:13 <karsten> I'm not sure if putting up the SOTO pdf wouldn't be overkill. 14:50:18 <karsten> yes, it is. 14:50:31 <irl> you can also curate collections in more meaningful ways 14:50:59 <karsten> okay. so, yes, that would indeed be a future task then. 14:51:24 <irl> we could expand beyond just data though and have talks archived there too 14:51:32 <irl> but at some point we become tor's librarians 14:51:42 <irl> maybe this is what media.tpo is meant to be? 14:51:51 <karsten> plausible, yes. 14:52:16 <karsten> going back to the original question: 14:52:28 <karsten> should we put the slides up somewhere, just to link them from the monthly report? 14:52:39 <karsten> I'm okay with putting the soto slides on people.tp.o. 14:52:45 <irl> let's do that 14:52:48 <karsten> ok. 14:53:06 <karsten> and yours, too? 14:53:17 <karsten> if so, ~karsten or ~irl? 14:53:46 <irl> i will put mine in ~irl and link it from the table 14:53:52 <irl> because i told people they could get the slides from there 14:54:03 <karsten> okay, great! 14:54:03 <irl> for the SOTO slides i don't think it matters 14:54:16 <irl> if you mail them to me i will put them on the webserver too 14:54:17 <karsten> we could probably just leave them out, too. 14:54:31 <karsten> okay, will do. 14:54:58 <karsten> alright. anything else? 14:55:16 <irl> nothing from me 14:55:50 <karsten> cool! then let's end the meeting now. thanks, irl and gaba! ttyl 14:55:57 <gaba> thanks! 14:56:00 <irl> bye! 14:56:02 <karsten> #endmeeting