16:01:58 <hiro> #startmeeting 16:01:58 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Jul 3 16:01:58 2018 UTC. The chair is hiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:58 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:58 <antonela> yess do it 16:02:00 <isabela> aha 16:02:06 <hiro> :P 16:02:18 <antonela> haha thanks hiro 16:02:22 <antonela> hello all! 16:02:40 <kevinsimper> hey everybody 16:03:15 <antonela> i was waiting for nyinz but seems like she is not around 16:03:30 <antonela> anyways, thanks people for joining us! 16:03:50 <isabela> lets put have a action item to review time/date of the meeting since we have new peeps now 16:04:12 <antonela> we didnt have meetings the last few weeks and looks like too much time passed! 16:04:32 <antonela> yes isa, we should check if it works around the different timezones 16:04:53 <kevinsimper> It is 6pm here in Denmark and that works fine :) 16:05:13 <hiro> I am groot w this time too 16:05:24 <kevinsimper> But if it was either later or earlier I wouldn't mind 16:05:33 <antonela> cool 16:05:34 <hiro> yeah same 16:06:37 <antonela> we usually start reviewing our roadmap and check how we are with our to-do things. Isa, hiro and I we are working on having it ready to share (we already have been working on all the stuffs) 16:07:05 <antonela> so, i'll recap some things we are into right now 16:07:19 <kevinsimper> cool 16:07:45 <antonela> - Torproject.org redesign -> support.tpo got their soft launch and we are now testing, debugging and open it for translations 16:08:25 <kevinsimper> tpo is a abbriviation for .torproject.org? 16:08:32 <hiro> yes 16:09:06 <antonela> torproject.org will have content freezed for the end of this month, so we can start to build those pages based on mockups and update the content this month/early next 16:09:15 * emmapeel online 16:09:22 <antonela> emmaaaa welcomeeee 16:09:23 <hiro> hola emmapeel :) 16:09:29 <isabela> emmapeel: ! 16:09:31 <antonela> we are so happy to having you here <3 16:09:45 <emmapeel> hola! uff im sorry i am in a bit of a frenzy 16:09:47 <antonela> emma will help us with localizations and doing some of her magic too 16:10:27 <isabela> antonela: i will send a ping to stephw and see where we are and how we can help her (will revive the sponsor9 meetings on friday too) 16:10:56 <antonela> emma, i know isa have some things to share with you about the localization processes , and also we have been putting together an onboarding doc for you, so lets sync after the meeting about it 16:11:03 <antonela> isa, cool, thanks! 16:11:13 <emmapeel> cool! 16:11:30 <kushal> antonela, Can we share support.tpo among students and collect their feedback? 16:12:16 <antonela> kushal, i'd like to have it localized before showing people who have a different mother language 16:12:23 <antonela> I think we have hindu as a tier1 16:12:42 <kushal> antonela, Hindi :) 16:12:51 <antonela> oh sorry :# 16:12:53 <emmapeel> kushal: if they help traslating they are going to see it earlier, just saying... 16:13:12 <antonela> yees 16:13:15 <kushal> antonela, most of the people I know will be able to read English better. 16:13:28 <kushal> emmapeel, I will ping folks for translation too 16:13:47 <emmapeel> cool, thanks :D 16:13:56 <antonela> yes, since we have a lot of english speakers/readers, we would like to collect feedback for the translates 16:14:05 <antonela> anyways, yes you can show it is living at support.torproject.org 16:14:39 <antonela> the community list got the soft launch email announcing it, so there is a flow for giving feedback too 16:15:09 <antonela> the other big project we have for this year is Tor Browser 8 16:15:11 <kushal> antonela, Okay. 16:15:17 <antonela> kushal, thanks! 16:15:31 <antonela> Tor Browser 8 alpha launched last week \o/ 16:15:41 <isabela> lets all download it! 16:15:53 <emmapeel> i havent had time to test it but word in the street is that 'it looks cool' 16:15:55 <isabela> is looking goooooood 16:16:04 <antonela> it will allow us to run user testing with the alpha and also to test all the things enough before go to stable 16:16:49 <antonela> the alpha includes the new circuit display, .onion security indicators + new Tor icon button 16:16:54 <isabela> (today at 1900 utc we will have a meeting where we are organizing the work around this release and the mobile release - just fyi in case anyone here wants to follow) 16:16:58 <antonela> yes! 16:17:01 <hiro> Kushal: I wanted to mention that support-staging.torproject.org gets all the updates 16:17:12 <antonela> oh thx hiro 16:17:30 <hiro> a bit before the support.tpo site. In case you find some bugs they might have already been solved there 16:17:57 <antonela> so, those are our 2 big projects right now 16:18:19 <kushal> hiro, Okay, thanks :) 16:18:23 <kevinsimper> Weird how the .DMG changed name for the new Tor Browser 8 16:18:43 <emmapeel> it is still ot the Tor Browser proper... maybe is that? 16:18:49 <emmapeel> *not 16:20:09 <antonela> that said, now people can give their updates about what they have been doing last weeks and at the end, i have something i'd like to have your feedback 16:20:27 <antonela> sounds good? 16:21:23 <hiro> groot 16:21:36 <antonela> go for it friend 16:22:02 <hiro> ok I can go. 16:22:28 <hiro> I got somefeedback for support.tpo so I put it all in and pushed to support-staging.torproject.org 16:22:39 <hiro> as people will find more bugs I'll keep updating it. 16:23:19 <hiro> Also at the moment the repositry is hosted on oniongit, but I think this week we will be moving to github. I will send you all an email about how to send merge requests and contribute 16:23:41 <hiro> last week the newsletter was also migrated to lektor 16:23:44 <hiro> it's now online 16:23:52 <hiro> and it is also using the tor-styleguide :) 16:23:56 <antonela> \o/ 16:24:07 <hiro> newsletter.torproject.org if you want to check it out 16:24:20 <isabela> nice! 16:24:23 <kevinsimper> pretty cool 16:24:47 <hiro> I think that's all on my side ux related 16:25:09 <kevinsimper> Will oniongit keep running? Why move to github? 16:25:50 <isabela> tor teams are moving there for volunteers contributions 16:26:07 <isabela> we were the only ones left on gitlab so i suggested we moved and do the same as others to make things easier 16:26:31 <hiro> I will make sure to move also the issues I had created 16:26:35 <emmapeel> github? oh. it just got bought by microsoft. 16:26:43 <isabela> yes 16:26:46 <isabela> 7.5 billion 16:27:22 <kevinsimper> Okay cool, will github be the new issue tracker? :) 16:28:07 <isabela> no 16:28:15 <isabela> we all using trac and our own git 16:28:19 <antonela> not really, we will still have trac.tpo to managing issues 16:28:27 <isabela> github is for makig it easier for volunteers 16:29:25 <emmapeel> i am using 0xacab.org that is a gitlab with a nicer hostname :D 16:29:37 <isabela> hehe 16:29:47 <isabela> but we also want to try to get all teams doing the same thing 16:29:57 <isabela> and this was what most teams are choosing 16:30:01 <emmapeel> i like gitlabCI too 16:30:31 <kevinsimper> What are the best way to find the issues if I type in trac.tcp? :) I have some problems navigation trac 16:30:52 <antonela> depends on which issues are you looking for :) 16:31:01 <kevinsimper> for example support? 16:31:05 <isabela> we organize things by components and keywords 16:31:06 <antonela> if you look for ux related issues, ux-team tag is the best 16:32:38 <antonela> kevin, here is website component filtered -> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?group=status&milestone=website+redesign 16:33:09 <kevinsimper> So "View Tickets" and then a custom query and then Milestone, got it 16:33:15 <emmapeel> nice one antonela --> bookmarking 16:33:26 <hiro> kevin you can use https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/operations/services/support 16:33:52 <antonela> ^^ 16:33:52 <hiro> I am trying to have those queries in the services docs but sometimes tickets go in other categories 16:34:05 <hiro> so there might be other tags 16:34:11 <isabela> for new folks - i would suggest checking out all components on trac and how they are organized because all teams uses them and it will make your life easier to learn about what is there 16:34:20 <isabela> i did it when i started and it was the most helpful thing 16:34:31 <isabela> not necessary look on all tickets, just the components organizing 16:35:02 <hiro> the thing is with some of the websites components you get random things 16:35:13 <hiro> like one ticket I got this week was cnn works with tor but not fox news 16:35:25 <kevinsimper> Is the "Services" team missing from the "Teams" section on the frontpage? https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki 16:35:41 <isabela> ops we lost kevin 16:35:46 <hiro> kevinsimper it is missing yes I haven't linked yet because I am not finished with the docs 16:36:10 <emmapeel> but we have their IP :D 16:36:14 <antonela> haha 16:36:56 <antonela> hiro, do you think we could have the move thing to github between this week/next? 16:37:27 <hiro> hopefully, yes, if I get added 16:37:54 <hiro> weasel is out now and I sent him the username a few minutes too late. Maybe catalyst could add me later today 16:37:55 <antonela> oh great, if we start with tpo.org pages markup, then we can start that portal repo at github 16:38:16 <isabela> things are a bit messy on that front overall 16:38:24 <antonela> yes :/ 16:38:26 <isabela> this morning we spent some time looking over it and are still 16:38:34 <isabela> and i am trying to get it a bit better organized 16:39:03 <antonela> yes, thanks for doing it isa haha 16:39:59 <antonela> oka, hiro anything else? 16:40:10 <hiro> nope all groot 16:41:01 <antonela> cool 16:41:13 <antonela> we lost kevin, emma, do you want to add something? i know is your official 2nd day haha 16:41:34 <antonela> but maybe you have questions, we can help you or link you with the person who can help you instead :) 16:41:38 <emmapeel> well... i think i havent even started! 16:42:01 <antonela> haha you are here, this is a lot ;) 16:42:21 <emmapeel> i did a bit of lurking, i tried again to create an accout i the trac and it worked this time... i havet tried in ages. 16:43:01 <emmapeel> i wanted to try to setup the lektor-l10-etc toolchain next 16:43:31 <antonela> great, i think hiro can help you on it 16:43:38 <antonela> Lektor is very easy to run 16:43:44 <antonela> at least in osx 16:44:02 <emmapeel> sure, i saw some intrusctions on the wiki i think 16:44:31 <emmapeel> not osx for me. i am a software vegan 16:44:35 <antonela> hahha 16:44:47 <isabela> hehe 16:45:19 <emmapeel> i have been looking at the big plan isabela forwarded... interesting! i proposed a new country 16:45:27 <emmapeel> oh but that is not UX sorry 16:45:33 <antonela> it is! 16:45:36 <isabela> yep 16:45:43 <isabela> all is connected! 16:46:32 <emmapeel> oh ok. then what do you think 16:46:44 <isabela> i am preparing an email replying to the countries thing 16:47:12 <isabela> i like the suggestion and i thought about indonesia as well 16:47:31 <isabela> but there are some complementary info for arma2's criteria i want to share 16:47:38 <isabela> and what we said about the current ones we have 16:47:44 <antonela> Firefox ran user testing in Indonesia last year, we can sync with their work on that 16:47:48 <isabela> so ppl understands the background on those decisions 16:47:58 <isabela> and then we can decide on the countries 16:47:59 <isabela> but yes 16:48:10 <isabela> this whole thing needs to move fast cuz i need to deliver it friday 16:48:14 <antonela> yep 16:48:16 <isabela> welcome to my world :) 16:48:24 <antonela> wow we are almost in the hour 16:48:33 <antonela> a quick update on my side 16:48:35 <emmapeel> i am on my way to amsterdam for the tbd.camp and some days there and then i am going to join a sprint with the tactical tech - fopf people that wants to have some journalist-directed software catalogue in Tails (well, installable in Tails) 16:49:09 <antonela> hey that camp sounds exciting, is your first time ? 16:49:10 <emmapeel> so it looks like a not very quiet july.... actually i havent moved so much in months 16:49:35 <emmapeel> the tbd.camp? well last year they organized a similar one 16:49:46 <antonela> yes, i saw the email 16:50:39 <antonela> so, what is left from sponsor17 that should be on TB8 stable is: About:tor page + Onboarding, Security Settings and Update Tor Browser, I have it to work with devs this month and next 16:50:44 <emmapeel> i went to the one last year, but this is the first year of tbd... and probably the last :D 16:50:58 <antonela> I have plans to have an open design sprint for the new Tor Browser icon. I'm writing down the idea so we can run it next month 16:50:59 <GeKo> antonela: security settings is not must imo 16:51:05 <antonela> great 16:51:08 <antonela> GeKo ^ 16:51:12 <GeKo> *no 16:51:15 <isabela> not must? 16:51:26 <GeKo> no 16:51:36 <isabela> no must? 16:51:37 <isabela> hehe 16:51:40 <isabela> i dont get it 16:51:53 <antonela> s17 have it there, but i know it involves a lot of dev effort, so i might understand your no geko 16:51:53 <GeKo> if we get to it fine, but it is no blocker for tor browser 8 16:51:55 <isabela> must have ? like we dont need to do it 16:52:01 <isabela> ahhh 16:52:08 <GeKo> :) 16:52:08 <isabela> but is for our contract deadline 16:52:09 <isabela> hehe 16:52:20 <GeKo> when does this contract end? 16:52:23 <isabela> so at least the design/experience needs to be finalized not necessary the implementation 16:52:28 <isabela> oct 1st 16:52:35 <GeKo> well, that's doable 16:52:43 <GeKo> i am fine having something in the alpha by then 16:52:43 <isabela> yep, seems like it 16:52:48 <antonela> great 16:52:56 <antonela> thanks geko for being around :) 16:52:56 <isabela> but is ok to be only on paper for the contract 16:53:04 <isabela> we never said implementation, just definition/design 16:53:18 <isabela> antonela: he will kick us out soon! 16:53:19 <isabela> hehe 16:53:23 <isabela> for his team meeting 16:53:24 <antonela> also i'm making notes about UI bugs I found on alpha that I want to have fixed for stable, listing them too 16:53:24 <isabela> :) 16:53:26 <antonela> i know 16:53:44 <hiro> when we are all groot I can kill the bot :P 16:53:54 <antonela> I’m debriefing Colombia right now. We met a ton of people interested in the Project so it is cool! 16:54:12 <antonela> we need to define our activities during Mexico so we can have a room in the schendule for us 16:54:23 <antonela> i will send an email this week to define it too 16:54:37 <antonela> and a lot of other things, but we dont have more time lol 16:54:50 <isabela> antonela: question 16:54:52 <antonela> yes 16:54:56 <isabela> is there a pad for june report? 16:55:15 <antonela> not yet 16:55:17 <isabela> ok 16:55:22 <antonela> i mean, i have notes but not a shareable pad 16:55:34 <isabela> i was wondering if i lost something :) so is cool i didnt 16:55:48 <isabela> i am groot 16:55:57 <antonela> super 16:56:04 <isabela> (my updates are lame, reports and work plans) 16:56:11 <isabela> that is my life this week 16:56:30 <antonela> poor isa 16:56:35 <antonela> at least brazil won this week 16:56:39 <isabela> hell yeah 16:56:49 <antonela> hahaha 16:56:53 <isabela> gave me some ilusion of happiness 16:56:54 <isabela> :) 16:56:59 <antonela> cool, bye bots? 16:57:13 <hiro> #endmeeting