14:32:04 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 14:32:04 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Mar 29 14:32:04 2018 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:32:04 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:32:32 <karsten> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/5h1Goax5eNusxjXJ_Ty5Wl7hFR1uqCReUiN8xdlBG8T <- new agenda pad 14:32:39 <karsten> by the way, iwakeh, does that pad load faster? 14:32:47 * irl 14:32:51 <iwakeh> yes! 14:32:53 <karsten> hi irl! 14:32:58 <karsten> iwakeh: okay, great, good to know. 14:33:13 <karsten> irl: want to add something to the agenda? 14:33:34 <irl> nope 14:33:39 <karsten> okay. let's start. 14:33:44 <karsten> * metrics-web: can we speed up `ant war` and reduce file size of the generated .war? (karsten) 14:33:55 <karsten> iwakeh writes on the pad: - This is most likely due to the humongous rs (ticket 25392 and child). RS should become part of metrics-web. 14:33:58 <iwakeh> I commented on pad. 14:34:08 <irl> i thought 40 seconds wasn't bad for a java web thing 14:34:12 <karsten> hehe 14:34:20 <karsten> but I'm not sure if it's RS related. 14:34:26 <iwakeh> that is the ancient java days before 2k. 14:34:36 <iwakeh> ;-) 14:34:39 <irl> RS does introduce a lot of new files, but they're not particularly big 14:34:45 <karsten> I think it was slow before we added RS. 14:34:51 <karsten> it's all the jetty stuff. 14:34:56 <karsten> I guess my question is: 14:34:59 <iwakeh> Many duplications. 14:35:00 <irl> i was wondering how do we profile it 14:35:17 <irl> and is there some compression happening in the war stage that we can just turn off 14:35:25 <karsten> are there any tweaks that we can do really easily that we haven't done yet, because it didn't matter? 14:35:47 <iwakeh> Well, the integration and straightening out of duplications and different paths 14:35:56 <iwakeh> is a value in itself and might 14:36:07 <iwakeh> also help the creation speed. 14:36:17 <karsten> should I open a ticket? 14:36:23 <iwakeh> There are two 14:36:24 <karsten> (I guess that was really the question I had.) 14:36:28 <karsten> oh, ok. 14:36:31 <iwakeh> #25392 14:36:38 <iwakeh> #25393 14:36:56 <iwakeh> It's just that 14:36:57 <karsten> waiting for trac.. 14:37:35 <karsten> ah, I meant tickets for making it faster/smaller if it's not related to RS. 14:37:40 <iwakeh> (trac is slow ...) 14:38:40 <karsten> let me check whether it was much faster/smaller before we added RS, and if not, open another ticket. ok? 14:38:52 <iwakeh> Right, and that way 14:39:03 <iwakeh> we have a reference system, 14:39:10 <iwakeh> your development machine ;-) 14:39:24 <karsten> which doesn't do the job in 40 seconds... 14:39:27 <karsten> okay! 14:39:41 <karsten> alright, moving on. 14:39:43 <karsten> * Onionoo release to fix the bug that nusenu is worried about: mid-April? (karsten) 14:39:52 <irl> which bug? 14:39:53 <karsten> there's an open question on the mailing list. 14:40:04 <karsten> let me find it. 14:40:27 <karsten> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/22594 14:40:49 <irl> ah 14:40:53 <iwakeh> rather a friendly request. 14:40:53 <irl> yes, we should definitely fix that 14:41:01 <karsten> so, my plan was to just release that with the next major protocol version, which would be around mid-april. 14:41:16 <karsten> yes, it's fixed. but not yet released/deployed. 14:41:24 <karsten> is that too late? 14:41:33 <irl> i think that's ok 14:41:34 <karsten> (the ticket is 10 months old.) 14:41:38 <karsten> was 14:41:40 <iwakeh> I understood nusenu to just wanting to be informed 14:41:45 <karsten> right. 14:41:55 <iwakeh> so, no urgency. 14:41:55 <karsten> okay, I'll tell him that this is our plan then. 14:41:56 <irl> i had a discussion with some people in rome, and onionoo really needs to be more consistent and reliable than it has been historically 14:42:11 <karsten> ah, mind telling more? 14:42:13 <irl> in the next couple of months i want to try and move people from their crazy hacks to using onionoo as a data source again 14:42:24 <karsten> consistent how? 14:42:32 <irl> people that were previously using onionoo had come up with other systems as onionoo had been going down too often 14:42:37 <irl> i mean, consistent with a recent consensus 14:42:54 <karsten> ah ok. 14:42:58 <irl> so not dropping relays because their contact lines are escape characters, would be a thing 14:43:06 <iwakeh> What about the experiment with collector2? 14:43:27 <irl> in general i think onionoo has been getting better 14:43:33 <karsten> so, the contact line thing did not happen in the wild anymore. AFAIK. 14:43:39 <irl> ah cool 14:43:48 <iwakeh> @karsten didn't you start that? 14:43:50 <karsten> the collector2 experiment looked okay. 14:44:03 <karsten> it took longer than expected, because there were still quite a few bridge descriptors. 14:44:21 <karsten> so, if we switch, onionoo will be "down" for a few hours. 14:44:40 <iwakeh> (oh yes) 14:44:42 <karsten> iwakeh: unless you delete more bridge descriptors from recent/. 14:44:53 <karsten> everything except the last three days. 14:45:07 <iwakeh> ok. 14:45:12 <karsten> and we'll have to coordinate this. 14:45:15 <karsten> on both instances. 14:45:48 <karsten> unrelated: corsicum had issues, too. 14:45:51 <iwakeh> true. 14:45:56 <karsten> corsicum = collector2. 14:45:59 <iwakeh> what kind? 14:46:06 <karsten> I really hope we're not switching to a differently broken host. 14:46:18 <karsten> hmm, not sure if I can find out. let me check. 14:47:04 <karsten> no, I can't. I just see that it went down three times yesterday. 14:47:13 <karsten> longest downtime from 11:54 to 14:10 (cest). 14:47:29 <iwakeh> hmm, maybe wait with the switch then. 14:47:39 <karsten> can we fetch from two collectors?... 14:47:45 <iwakeh> Until we know what this was caused by? 14:48:04 <iwakeh> Try one and if it times out the other? 14:48:11 <karsten> try both. 14:48:16 <karsten> or, download from both. 14:48:20 <karsten> and deduplicate internally. 14:48:35 <karsten> we should try out. 14:48:46 <iwakeh> yep. 14:48:59 <karsten> I can do that, but not in march. 14:49:05 <karsten> (fully booked for sponsor 13) 14:49:24 <iwakeh> well, March is over with Easter. 14:49:25 <karsten> so, okay, I'll try out next week. 14:49:36 <karsten> right. 14:50:31 <karsten> okay. 14:50:40 <karsten> so many action items for me! 14:50:45 <karsten> alright, moving on? 14:51:04 <iwakeh> fine 14:51:10 <irl> ok 14:51:10 <karsten> * Sponsor 13 deliverable 2 timeline for the rest of March (karsten) 14:51:25 <karsten> I'm still working on the Relay users part. 14:51:47 <karsten> but, I admit, we're almost out of time this month. 14:51:52 <iwakeh> It is a lot. 14:52:34 <karsten> here's what I'll do: 14:52:47 <karsten> I'll try to finish that part and send it to our sponsor. 14:52:53 <karsten> without publishing. 14:53:16 <karsten> and then we'll do the review/revision dance next month. 14:53:20 <iwakeh> Ah, they are interested in reading the drafts? 14:53:31 <karsten> maybe, I don't know. 14:53:42 <karsten> they want to see what progress we're making. 14:53:53 <iwakeh> isabela does, probably. 14:53:55 <karsten> maybe they'll just count the pages. 14:54:08 <karsten> yes, and isabela wants to know. 14:54:23 <iwakeh> and should. 14:54:26 <karsten> ! 14:54:31 <isabela> ! 14:54:34 <isabela> oi 14:54:37 <karsten> hello! 14:54:41 <iwakeh> hi! 14:54:56 <karsten> okay, I'll send what I have by end of the month to isabela. 14:55:05 <karsten> and we make it (even!) better in april. :) 14:55:21 <karsten> that's all on this topic from me. 14:55:23 <isabela> yes, sponsor would be happy w drafts too because they can see the process / progress 14:55:30 <karsten> sounds good! 14:55:32 <iwakeh> well, and have another started activity by then. 14:55:33 <isabela> :) 14:55:54 <karsten> iwakeh: true! please share the status of that with me. 14:56:20 <iwakeh> #25644 14:56:48 <karsten> okay, please update that before the month ends. 14:56:54 <iwakeh> karsten: surely. 14:57:03 <karsten> perfect! 14:57:06 <karsten> out of topics? 14:57:18 <irl> i have no more topics 14:57:24 <iwakeh> me neither. 14:57:49 <karsten> great! short meeting. let's talk more next week! 14:58:01 <karsten> happy holidays, and bye, bye! 14:58:06 <irl> bye! 14:58:13 <iwakeh> Happy Easter! bye, bye! 14:58:16 <karsten> #endmeeting