15:00:07 <isabela> #startmeeting ux team check in / weekly status update 15:00:07 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 15:00:07 2018 UTC. The chair is isabela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:07 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:10 <isabela> hello! 15:00:23 <antonela> holaa 15:00:26 <hiro> holaa 15:00:35 <isabela> alright lets talk a bit about building roadmap with kanban (I spent a bunch today on that) 15:00:40 <isabela> then we can move to weekly updates 15:00:44 <isabela> whatabout that? 15:00:45 <antonela> yess please 15:00:55 <isabela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/questions-about-kanban-gitlab 15:01:05 <isabela> this is a big log of what i've been doing 15:01:30 <isabela> so! let me explain how i am organizing things on kanban 15:01:33 <antonela> yes 15:01:46 <isabela> for now i am messing only with the ux group there 15:02:05 <isabela> https://oniongit.eu/groups/ux/-/boards# 15:02:09 * flexlibris is lurking 15:02:15 <isabela> i created more columns for our flow 15:02:27 <antonela> yes 15:02:33 <hiro> ah nice 15:02:33 <isabela> one that is 'current month tasks' which right now i am populating with march and april stuff 15:02:54 <isabela> sorry 15:02:59 <isabela> in progress was missing from there 15:02:59 <isabela> hehe 15:03:02 <isabela> now is there 15:03:05 <antonela> is okey 15:03:07 <isabela> so the follow would be: 15:03:11 <antonela> how do you feel about using kanban? 15:03:18 <isabela> 1. move thigns from backlog to the current month 15:03:50 <isabela> 2. move to in progress what you are doing at the moment 15:04:01 <isabela> 3. move to review when you done and want stakeholders to review 15:04:06 <hiro> I started this https://oniongit.eu/groups/infra/-/boards 15:04:08 <isabela> maybe from there will go back to inprogress 15:04:15 <antonela> looks like a plan! I like it 15:04:17 <hiro> but I didn't think about your nice organisation 15:04:18 <isabela> hiro: i saw, i will get there too 15:04:45 <isabela> once we close ticket on trac we should move it to 'closed' column 15:05:01 <hiro> yes! 15:05:06 <isabela> for our roadmap, i am creating milestones for each month 15:05:20 <isabela> so we can also view it as a per month timeline 15:05:22 <isabela> kindof 15:05:33 <isabela> not only as a big list on backlog column 15:05:35 <antonela> oooo fancy 15:05:36 * hiro likes it 15:05:42 <antonela> *_______* 15:05:45 <isabela> hahahaha 15:05:47 <isabela> so! 15:05:51 <isabela> i have a few questions for hiro 15:05:56 <hiro> yes I saw the pad 15:05:59 <hiro> hehe 15:06:00 <isabela> oh 15:06:02 <isabela> not on the pad 15:06:03 <isabela> :) 15:06:04 <hiro> ah ok 15:06:05 <isabela> other questions 15:06:06 <hiro> more questions 15:06:09 <isabela> yes 15:06:09 <isabela> haha 15:06:26 <isabela> i want to automate a bit trac tickets + gitlab issues sync 15:06:41 <antonela> :fire_emoji: 15:06:47 <isabela> i am not sure yet how i want to do that, like what would trigger syncronization 15:06:53 <isabela> but one thing i think would save us time 15:06:53 <hiro> network peeps told be a few ideas and I looked a few things up :P 15:07:02 * hiro works in the dark 15:07:10 <isabela> is for every ticket with ux-team keyword on trac an issue is created on gitlab 15:07:13 * antonela dark purple 15:07:22 <isabela> the problem there is 'under what project on gitlab' question 15:07:34 <isabela> hiro: ah great 15:07:57 <hiro> isabela 15:08:02 <hiro> we can use keywords from trac tickets 15:08:19 <hiro> if no keywords are used it goes to the board in a specifc column 15:08:29 <hiro> ux board that is 15:08:55 <isabela> so, for every ticket with ux-team keyword on trac i can automatically create a ticket for ux 'backlog' column 15:08:58 <isabela> ? 15:09:10 <isabela> then we will organize it to the right milestone etc 15:09:13 <hiro> yes or a specifc column we create on that board (like untracked) 15:09:13 <antonela> yes 15:09:23 <isabela> i would prefer backlog 15:09:25 <hiro> or from-trac 15:09:30 <hiro> sure sounds good to me 15:09:51 <isabela> ok, i will continue organizing this and do the same for the tickets from services too 15:09:57 <isabela> or infra 15:09:59 <hiro> is this something only for ux? 15:10:08 <hiro> or more people will use this? 15:10:12 <isabela> i think we will have different rules per team 15:10:22 <antonela> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=merge_ready&status=needs_information&status=needs_review&status=needs_revision&status=new&status=reopened&keywords=~ux-team&max=300&order=priority 15:10:27 <isabela> but for now i believe only ux and infra 15:10:28 <hiro> because we can either script this or use something like https://github.com/huginn/huginn 15:10:31 <antonela> it could be the query for our tickets 15:11:11 <hiro> that's an app that you host and works like if-this-then-that 15:11:21 <isabela> ha 15:11:25 <antonela> yes 15:11:33 <hiro> and like there are different people that could use it 15:11:45 <isabela> sounds good 15:12:04 <hiro> also if for example you want to monitor reddit or stackoverflow if they talk about tor related things 15:12:35 <antonela> at some point we can use the ux repo as a hub for all ux related issues that came to us 15:12:42 <isabela> i dont see trac listed on their list of things they connect to (but they are not listing everything and it goes seem we could get info from trac via email or rss) 15:12:58 <hiro> isabela we can use rss right 15:13:05 <isabela> k 15:13:08 <hiro> I had look into this already ;) 15:13:20 <isabela> maybe what i can do is write to you the rules i would use 15:13:33 <isabela> like if trac ticket has X Y and Z do A B and C 15:13:37 <hiro> also like irl was saying that he might be interested to use it too for metrics related things 15:13:41 <hiro> yes that would help 15:13:53 <isabela> i will write my rules at the pad i shared 15:13:56 <isabela> at the top 15:14:04 <hiro> ok 15:14:43 <isabela> antonela: i have a request :) to not prioritize the .onion ux work for april, just the browser stuff that is related to otf grant 15:14:54 <antonela> perfect 15:15:01 <isabela> but i think all that will make more sense once i finish organizing everything 15:15:16 <isabela> any questions, suggestions, concerns about this stuff 15:15:18 <isabela> ? 15:15:28 <isabela> hopefully we will have nice roadmaps by eow 15:15:47 <antonela> nope, i think is a good plan 15:15:49 <hiro> nope sounds good 15:16:06 <isabela> thank you both for suggesting us to use it 15:16:07 <isabela> :) 15:16:28 <isabela> i will continue to mass with it and ping you for questions etc 15:16:46 <isabela> ok! should we move to weekly status? 15:16:50 <antonela> to be honest, yesterday i was pretty afraid to left the spreadsheet ha, but i think it will improve not just our workflow but other teams too 15:16:58 <isabela> hahaha 15:17:20 <antonela> if the sync with the trac works as expected, kanban is tooooo much better 15:17:21 <isabela> i am more happy with this possibility of automate the sync between trac and gitlab 15:17:24 <antonela> yes yes 15:17:55 <isabela> one day we kill trac 15:18:13 <antonela> † 15:18:17 <isabela> i am happy we are doing this cuz is a step towards that 15:18:29 <isabela> lol 15:18:32 <antonela> yes 15:18:41 <hiro> I am happy we are doing this so I know what I am doing :D!!! 15:18:47 <antonela> lol 15:18:50 <isabela> rip trac - managed so many issues till it became an issue itself 15:18:52 <isabela> :) 15:19:09 <isabela> k 15:19:14 <isabela> weekly status! who starts? 15:19:19 <hiro> I can start 15:19:35 <hiro> so I can also answer the pad questions 15:19:42 <isabela> :) 15:20:12 <hiro> ok the portal repository on gitlab was supposed to be used only to test a mock of a portal 15:20:21 <hiro> I should change the name 15:20:48 <isabela> tx, i was hoping to have one for each portal i.e. community 15:20:57 <isabela> tpo etc 15:21:16 <hiro> sure 15:21:17 <isabela> can a project (repo) be shared between groups? 15:21:35 <hiro> uhm I do not think so 15:21:36 <isabela> like the one anto created for torproject site on UX group could be used by infra? 15:21:40 <isabela> ok 15:21:42 <isabela> np 15:21:45 <isabela> we can survive :) 15:21:57 <isabela> (little PM noia, you can ignore hehe) 15:21:57 <hiro> so I didn't anticipate that we were really going to use gitlab 15:22:14 <hiro> in fact this will be the repository that we will build https://gitweb.torproject.org/project/web/support.git/ 15:22:20 <hiro> maybe infra should be called web 15:22:26 <hiro> like on torgit 15:22:32 <isabela> hmm 15:22:45 <isabela> i am not thinking of it as repositories more like categories 15:22:47 <isabela> to be honest 15:22:50 <hiro> ok 15:22:53 <isabela> (the ones at gitlab) 15:23:11 <antonela> i have tpo-org as a repo, but maybe we can take issues from each portal repo 15:23:12 <antonela> idk 15:23:34 <isabela> antonela: i am thinking of that only for torproject.org site work 15:23:39 <antonela> k 15:23:40 <isabela> i will create another for support 15:23:44 <antonela> cool 15:23:59 <isabela> so maybe if infra can have something similar 15:24:12 <isabela> i think we can organize tasks per site as well 15:24:28 <isabela> hiro: does that sounds ok? 15:24:31 <hiro> yes 15:24:40 <isabela> cool, please continue with your udpate :) 15:24:42 <hiro> so we want different projects for each portal 15:24:45 <hiro> correct? 15:24:48 <isabela> yes 15:25:03 <hiro> which also makes sense for me because each portal will have a repository :) 15:25:33 <hiro> ok good so this week I did a bit of planning of my things and also finished the deb pkg for lektor 15:25:44 <hiro> I need irl to review it and then it should be good 15:26:24 <hiro> uhm I meant last week to be honest.. this week since it is only tuesday, I am going to do cleanup of tickets (the one that have been closed already) 15:26:59 <hiro> and have the search up for testing with real results from support-staging 15:27:36 <isabela> cool (remind about my other note on udpating that ticket to reflect what we discussed in rome) 15:27:47 <hiro> ok sorry I should expand "planning of my things" -> I meant breaking down the issues on tasks that I need to do 15:28:12 <hiro> yes, I did this work in order to update the ticket and start documentation as discussed in rome 15:29:05 <hiro> also one thing I have ongoing is blog update. there is a big update coming up and an issue with a current update that I am not able to fully debug 15:29:25 <isabela> ! 15:29:27 <hiro> so I was going back and forth with pantheon. 15:29:44 <hiro> I think that's all for me 15:30:34 <isabela> thanks for taking care of the update 15:30:37 <isabela> blog udpate 15:30:48 <isabela> antonela: wanna go? 15:30:59 <antonela> sure 15:31:10 <antonela> I have all the illustrators proposals delivered. We have a meeting on Friday about SIDA so I want to be sure that stakeholders have it in their inbox before it. For sneak peekersss 15:31:15 <antonela> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6i9b2x72ye9eb1t/AACdmUA-A5DewxHfT5vYWk3Ma?dl=0 15:31:35 <antonela> Irl and Hiro opened tickets for the styleguide during Rome and I'd like to review/work on what i can solve on then this week 15:32:00 <antonela> also, continue working on TTB/TBA tasks 15:32:18 <antonela> as i saw so far, just circuits related for march (this week) 15:32:31 <antonela> aaand, I'm wondering if should I back to website mockups based on our landings and community portal sessions at Rome. If yes, we can use fridays SIDA meetings to review them too. About the content 15:33:01 <antonela> do we have something somewhere? or just the brainstorming postit photos? 15:33:07 <isabela> TBD/TBA 15:33:08 <isabela> hehe 15:33:44 <antonela> TBA <3 15:33:44 <isabela> i think for march and april will be more TB stuff 15:33:54 <isabela> i will finsih creating the tickets 15:34:05 <antonela> yes march ends this week, so OTF will be april mostly 15:34:07 <isabela> but the devs have this stuff for them to build soon 15:34:13 <isabela> yes 15:34:22 <isabela> i am mostly ignoring March and treating it as April 15:34:22 <isabela> haha 15:34:42 <antonela> exactly, but i dont want to carry things to april, so im still thiking about march 15:34:43 <antonela> haha 15:34:47 <isabela> but for the sites we will ship for sure till June we should focus on torproject and support 15:35:04 <antonela> bolkm opened a great ticket about support qa 15:35:05 <isabela> community will be done but after we can get these two in a good shape 15:35:25 <antonela> perfect, so I'll work on landings mocks so we can make a round of review by friday 15:35:28 <isabela> i need to have them added as child to the main ticket 15:35:38 <antonela> based on our Rome discussions 15:36:29 <isabela> that sounds good 15:36:35 <antonela> super 15:36:41 <isabela> but for friday sync i actually want help with organizing the trips 15:36:51 <isabela> that is what is very behind from everything else 15:37:02 <isabela> and its more priority for now 15:37:13 <isabela> also the work for the trips / all the training and surveys etc 15:37:37 <antonela> gotcha 15:37:47 <antonela> any news on the user research coord job post? 15:37:49 <isabela> by friday we will have a list! 15:38:00 * antonela is anxious 15:38:03 <isabela> erin was on vacation 15:38:06 <isabela> so i havent heard much yet 15:38:11 <isabela> i will see if she is back from it 15:38:11 <antonela> ohh yes 15:38:23 <stephw> it needs to be changed? 15:38:27 <stephw> i was just about to reshare it 15:38:38 <stephw> sorry to jump in :) 15:38:40 <isabela> stephw: what needs to be changed? 15:38:44 <stephw> https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-userresearchcoordinator.html.en 15:38:57 <antonela> hii, nope it is ok 15:39:09 <isabela> yeah 15:39:10 <antonela> i shared it yesterday too 15:39:17 <isabela> that was a fe wchanges on the community liaison 15:39:20 <isabela> but hiro did it back in rome 15:39:23 <hiro> I changed the other one from part-time to full time 15:39:26 <antonela> haha 15:39:35 <hiro> that's the only thing I changed 15:39:36 <isabela> and removed that part saying it would work with ux team right? 15:39:44 <hiro> I think so 15:40:07 <isabela> yep you did :) 15:40:10 <isabela> hehe 15:40:14 <antonela> yep[ 15:40:15 <antonela> hahahha 15:40:26 <isabela> antonela and isabela are hiro's memory 15:40:36 <antonela> hahaha 15:40:38 <hiro> everybody knows I have no memory 15:40:42 <isabela> lol 15:40:53 <isabela> ok from my part! 15:41:03 <isabela> i will continue on my PM noia kanban organizing mode 15:41:19 <isabela> keep the pad with my log updated and add the rules for hiro 15:41:24 <hiro> ok 15:41:30 <hiro> sounds good 15:41:34 <antonela> cool 15:41:41 <isabela> and will prep for friday sync - hiro let us know if you feel like following sponsor9 organizing and i can add you tot he thread :) 15:41:48 <antonela> tomorrow we dont have ux meeting 15:41:51 <antonela> or do we have? 15:42:01 <hiro> isabela sure add me 15:42:07 <isabela> so tomorrow i will be afk all day pretty much doing my highschool thing 15:42:18 <isabela> i do have a list of udpates and would like to receive updates 15:42:22 <antonela> yes 15:42:26 <isabela> so we can have a sync on support site antonela 15:42:31 <isabela> i can spam ppl and you can lead it :) 15:42:33 <antonela> i wanted to sync with colin about translates 15:42:34 <antonela> yes 15:42:36 <antonela> cool super 15:42:49 <isabela> alright sounds like a plan 15:42:51 <isabela> hiro: will do! 15:43:08 <isabela> anything else people? yall good to be back in the game after rome? 15:43:40 <hiro> isabela antonela one thing that would help me is starting to have translated databags 15:43:48 <hiro> to build the site and see if is there any issues 15:44:13 <hiro> even if the translations are incomplete 15:44:45 <isabela> gotcha 15:44:57 <isabela> will add this to my spam so phoul knows before the meeting tomorrow 15:45:03 <hiro> sounds good 15:45:28 <isabela> alright 15:45:34 <hiro> talk later people 15:45:35 <isabela> we cool? can i kill the bot? 15:45:38 <antonela> yesss 15:45:40 <antonela> thanks! 15:45:41 <hiro> kill it 15:45:43 <isabela> #endmeeting