17:01:45 <isabela> #startmeeting support site do or die till lasagna 17:01:45 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Feb 14 17:01:45 2018 UTC. The chair is isabela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:45 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:55 <isabela> alright people! 17:02:08 <isabela> here is the game between now and lasagna :) 17:02:25 <antonela> haha 17:02:27 <flexlibris> mmm lasagna 17:02:30 <pari> hehe 17:02:32 <pari> :D 17:02:37 <isabela> I moved everything else in the pad all the way to the bottom: 17:02:38 <isabela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/support-tpo 17:02:48 <isabela> and organized the list of things to do on the site so we can launch it 17:03:06 <isabela> our goal now on is to use the stagging site that hiro shared 17:03:18 <isabela> if you see something that is not in the pad - document it 17:03:43 <antonela> it could be good to include which browser and/or devices are you testing on too 17:03:44 <isabela> if you see something in the pad you can help fix or make sure it happens the way the pad is indicating 17:03:47 <isabela> do so 17:03:51 <isabela> antonela: +1 17:04:03 <isabela> and hiro - cross things as you do them 17:04:05 <isabela> and also 17:04:07 <hiro> yo 17:04:09 <antonela> i have been testing on high security mode at TorBrowser and i didn't say anything 17:04:13 <isabela> let us know when you update support staging site 17:04:13 <antonela> and is confusing 17:04:23 <isabela> so we know we have new version to look at 17:04:50 <hiro> also I have an update regarding the transitions 17:05:15 <isabela> go! 17:05:17 <isabela> :) 17:05:36 <hiro> yeah so if we want to use bootstrap accordion we can't remove the transitions 17:05:51 <hiro> we can write a simple accordion 17:05:56 <hiro> it's not that complicated 17:06:12 <hiro> but we were discussing how it feels w antonela an it is confusing 17:06:13 <isabela> nice 17:06:22 <isabela> oh 17:06:25 <isabela> confusing how 17:06:27 <hiro> like things jump around 17:06:31 <hiro> and there is no transition 17:06:32 <isabela> vixe 17:06:41 <isabela> blah 17:06:42 <hiro> when I say jump around 17:06:48 <isabela> i think we are between two options 17:06:48 <hiro> I don't mean that the css is broken 17:06:59 <hiro> just that you click and the thing appears 17:07:07 <hiro> now we have the little sliding 17:07:13 <isabela> 1. if we have js an user can see all the questions right away - but there are tons of funky experience with it 17:07:32 <isabela> 2. if we leave thing open and forget about js there wont be funky experience but the user cant see all questions at once 17:07:56 <hiro> uhm 17:08:03 <antonela> hiro: another option could be have all the questions listed and jump between them with the sidemenu like an anchor 17:08:09 <antonela> im thinking about it now 17:08:26 <hiro> the sidemenu does that already 17:08:36 <antonela> right now, we have everything listed but display:none 17:08:50 <antonela> what if we show everything and we navigate with the sidemenu 17:09:02 <hiro> like if there is no js 17:09:09 <hiro> the sidemenu jumps among the topics 17:09:14 <antonela> not :hidden sets 17:09:19 <pari> antonela: maybe like a two-column layout? with questions listed on the left in a smaller column and the issue opened viewable on the right in a wider column space? 17:09:30 <antonela> well, the collapsable question/answer could still living there 17:09:53 <antonela> pari: yes, like we have in the styleguide right now 17:10:09 <pari> yeah! 17:10:23 <antonela> hiro, isabela makes sense? 17:11:06 <hiro> antonela the only thing that concerns me is that some questions are long 17:11:23 <isabela> i am trying to see the styleguide example 17:11:37 <hiro> so they will splattered across a few lines 17:11:42 <antonela> yes, but 17:11:45 <hiro> https://styleguide.torproject.org/components/ 17:11:49 <antonela> i dont think we should have 3 columns 17:11:51 <hiro> isabela ^ 17:11:51 <isabela> ha 17:11:59 <isabela> i guess on tor browser that doesnt show up 17:12:03 <isabela> cuz of screen size 17:12:04 <pari> I am trying to locate the wireframe for something similar I worked on a while back. be back in 2 17:12:06 <antonela> the same layout we have right now, but without the collapsable thing on the core topics 17:12:07 <isabela> that is why i could not see it 17:12:24 <hiro> yeah that's what I thought 17:13:01 <isabela> also it doesnt show on mobile 17:13:12 <isabela> so is a trick that will work only on big screens 17:13:31 <isabela> maybe that and open questions and we live with it 17:13:47 <hiro> maybe a select box for questions? 17:13:49 <isabela> or maybe we dont do it and just go with 2 17:13:53 <hiro> is that too hacky? 17:13:57 <isabela> hehe 17:14:01 <antonela> wait, for mobile we have a select 17:14:08 <antonela> is not working 100% now, but will do 17:14:20 <antonela> so you select a section and the menu collapse 17:14:24 * isabela opened styleguide on mobile and didn't saw it 17:14:25 <hiro> antonela that was a select? because I have implemented a collapsable menu 17:14:29 <hiro> you can pull and see it 17:14:31 <isabela> ah 17:15:20 <antonela> yes 17:15:42 <antonela> hiro is good as how it works right now, BUT we need to close the select menu once people tap 17:15:57 <hiro> yes I am rtying to figure it out 17:15:58 <antonela> because if we dont, user can not easy see the changes on the listing 17:16:00 <hiro> how to do that in js 17:16:00 <antonela> yes i know 17:16:02 <antonela> haha 17:16:08 <hiro> sorry in no-js 17:16:13 <antonela> yep 17:16:21 <hiro> because w/ the hoover trick it was getting messy 17:16:24 <antonela> yes yes 17:16:45 <isabela> ok 17:17:00 <hiro> I wonder if we should document all this weird css things we do so that they work in no-js 17:17:20 <isabela> +1 17:17:33 <antonela> imo, the most annoying thing about the animation is when you click on a new topic. If we list all the questions closed + subhead topics 17:17:37 <Phoul> im sure they will be helpful tricks for other portals too 17:17:52 <antonela> and then we use the topics as an anchor, will work 17:17:54 <pari> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7t68goow5s2ii/wireframe.jpg?dl=0 17:18:08 <pari> antonela: sorry for the time I took. 17:18:11 <pari> but this was what I was talking about 17:18:21 <isabela> antonela: agreed 17:18:39 <isabela> ok 17:18:41 <isabela> here is my proposal 17:18:45 <antonela> pari: thanks! 17:18:52 <isabela> antonela and hiro try out a couple of things 17:18:58 <isabela> cuz i think yall understand the problem 17:19:16 <antonela> yes 17:19:21 <isabela> when you think you have a good solution you share 17:19:59 <isabela> i would like to chat a bit about the styleguide official launch 17:20:00 <hiro> ok 17:20:08 <isabela> stephw: ping 17:20:11 <stephw> hii 17:20:14 <isabela> not sure if t0mmy is around 17:20:21 <stephw> no i dont think so 17:20:28 <isabela> is cool 17:20:31 <antonela> isabela: cool, we will deal with it and share on the list 17:20:34 <isabela> we can get him updated later 17:20:35 <stephw> he is mostly off this week 17:20:36 <stephw> yes 17:20:42 <isabela> so! 17:20:53 <isabela> styleguide.torproject.org exist 17:20:54 <isabela> :) 17:21:01 <isabela> you might have heard of it :P 17:21:04 <isabela> but the world havent 17:21:13 <isabela> we would like to write a blog post and tell the world :) 17:21:19 <isabela> and are looking for your help 17:21:29 <stephw> great 17:21:39 <stephw> let me check the blog calendar just a sec 17:21:47 <isabela> cool 17:22:05 <antonela> one main thing there: could someone who knows about it, give us recommendations about the licence? 17:22:14 <isabela> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 17:22:14 <isabela> yes 17:22:18 <isabela> good reminding 17:22:32 <isabela> shari was suppose to get me in touch with the eff lawyer or person that knows this stuff 17:22:36 <antonela> cool 17:22:45 <antonela> because Copyright seems not the best approach for it 17:22:49 <stephw> how would the week of feb 25 be? 17:22:49 <isabela> yes 17:22:57 <isabela> sounds good 17:23:02 <stephw> cool 17:23:08 <isabela> hopefully we get the right license by then 17:23:12 <stephw> want us to take the lead on the draft? 17:23:19 <antonela> steph, the folks from simply secure wanted to be involved on the writing, so once we have something we will have them on the pad too :) 17:23:19 <hiro> I am out that week w limited internet 17:23:31 <hiro> but I am sure you don't need me for the post 17:23:41 <isabela> hiro: you can collaborate before you are out 17:23:41 <stephw> who are the folks at simply secure? 17:23:49 <antonela> scout and 17:23:52 <antonela> isa help me 17:23:58 <isabela> i think we can just ping scout 17:24:05 <antonela> oh cool 17:24:15 <isabela> stephw: they were part of starting this 17:24:17 <antonela> just a remainder about it since they were involved on it even before me :) 17:24:35 <stephw> ahh okay, didnt realize 17:24:37 <isabela> scout might ping elio too 17:24:37 <antonela> s/remainder/reminder 17:24:45 <antonela> yes, elio too 17:24:55 <isabela> antonela: you saw his email? 17:24:58 <isabela> with a couple of things 17:25:02 <antonela> yes, i saw the email 17:25:10 <isabela> cool 17:25:37 <isabela> stephw: do you want a bullet point list of things we want to pass in the blog post 17:25:43 <antonela> i disagree about reduce to Source sans font since we are using the serif, sans and mono families too 17:25:44 <isabela> like why we did what we did 17:25:47 <antonela> anw, will back to him this week 17:25:50 <isabela> how useful we hope it to be 17:25:56 <stephw> isabela: yes, thatd work 17:26:05 <isabela> i think antonela could draft that 17:26:07 <stephw> we can use those to make a draft, that can be easier than having many original authors 17:26:10 <antonela> yes :) 17:26:11 <antonela> i have notes 17:26:12 <stephw> to have a consistent voice 17:26:15 <isabela> :) 17:26:17 <antonela> already :nerd_face: 17:26:20 <isabela> hehe 17:26:31 <antonela> will clean and share with you soon steph 17:26:36 <isabela> cool 17:26:37 <stephw> great thanks 17:26:51 <isabela> another thing 17:27:09 <isabela> styleguide.torproject was part of the bigger project of redesigning the site etc 17:27:17 <isabela> and our support site is using it 17:27:33 <antonela> yes, all next portals too 17:27:34 <isabela> so keep that in mind too :) cuz hopefully right after that we will have a blog post about our support site 17:27:41 <isabela> and then 17:27:49 <isabela> we could link back to the styleguide post 17:27:50 <stephw> yes, could do a lil tease about it 17:27:52 <stephw> yes 17:27:54 <isabela> :) 17:28:29 <isabela> ok 17:28:36 <isabela> any other updates people? 17:28:39 <isabela> or points of discussion? 17:28:41 <isabela> or questions? 17:28:43 <isabela> worries? 17:28:44 <isabela> hehe 17:29:05 <isabela> Phoul: please see my note regarding languages - translation at the pad 17:29:09 <Phoul> Strings have started to get onto Transifex. About half the databags are up, the other half will be up today. Translations have started to come in, I believe the censorship databag has completed french translations. 17:29:18 * Phoul looks again 17:29:24 <hiro> nice :D 17:29:30 <antonela> cool Phoul! 17:29:33 <hiro> so those databags are working 17:29:34 <isabela> we should push for the tier 1 for launch 17:30:09 <isabela> stephw: btw Phoul will ping you to coordinate call for help with the translations :) 17:30:15 <isabela> on the interwebz 17:30:28 <stephw> sounds good :) 17:30:39 <isabela> Phoul: we have another mission for you :) 17:30:52 <Phoul> After seeing how fast people are jumping on the strings, for tier1, we may not actually need to put out that call. 17:31:05 <isabela> we are looking for someone who are fluent in left to right language 17:31:05 <Phoul> As I was uploading the second databag, the first one was being completed for multiple languages. 17:31:09 <isabela> like arabic or farsi 17:31:25 <Phoul> isabela: For testing the portal? 17:31:26 <isabela> because antonela will need to sit with this person (virtually sit) and review the ux 17:31:29 <antonela> yes 17:31:30 <isabela> yes 17:31:30 <antonela> yes 17:31:34 <isabela> because we will flip everything 17:31:47 <isabela> and things needs to feel the way it should for left to right 17:31:52 <isabela> for instance 17:31:58 <antonela> we have considered support for right to left languages, but we should review them with a native speaker 17:31:59 <isabela> the topics column should flip 17:32:02 <Phoul> I will find someone and get in contact. I'm still in contact with Sherief (the old paid arabic translator / support person), I'm sure he'd be happy to help. 17:32:03 <isabela> be on the right not left 17:32:05 <hiro> isabela there is support for that in the styleguide and bootstrap 17:32:13 <isabela> hiro: nice 17:32:19 <antonela> yes 17:32:24 <isabela> Phoul: great 17:32:35 <antonela> hiro: but could be nice to have a human reading everything so we can check if it makes sense 17:32:48 <antonela> even if we are changing the layout 17:32:53 <hiro> https://styleguide.torproject.org/visuals/#typography 17:32:57 <antonela> yes :) 17:33:03 <hiro> check out the arabic test 17:33:11 <hiro> sure :) 17:33:26 <antonela> also the arabic source font is beautiful <3 17:33:32 <Phoul> I'll reach out to Sherief and a couple others, and see who has time. Which TZ are you in antonela? 17:33:41 <antonela> i'm GMT-3 17:33:45 <antonela> but i can jump anytime 17:33:49 <antonela> to a call phoul 17:33:52 <Phoul> Sounds good :) 17:34:00 <antonela> antonela@tpo just in case 17:34:08 <Phoul> :) thanks 17:34:12 <antonela> thank you :) 17:34:21 <isabela> alright 17:34:25 <isabela> lets think whatelse :) 17:34:39 <isabela> we have the search novela 17:34:41 <isabela> i know 17:34:46 <isabela> i will give myself a deadline for hope from ddg 17:34:50 <isabela> and make a call :) 17:34:52 <isabela> i promise 17:34:55 <antonela> this week isa? 17:34:58 <isabela> yes 17:35:00 <antonela> cool 17:35:07 <isabela> my question was should i say today or friday 17:35:11 <antonela> cool 17:35:21 <isabela> i might go w friday tho 17:35:25 <antonela> honestly, i dont think we can do what you want ha 17:35:30 <antonela> but lets see 17:35:37 <antonela> how far we can go :) 17:35:42 <isabela> i just wanted the ddg guy to say that 17:35:43 <isabela> hehehe 17:35:46 <hiro> LOL 17:35:47 <antonela> hahah 17:35:48 <isabela> cuz is a last hope 17:36:11 <isabela> but i am working myself out of it 17:36:11 <antonela> goood 17:36:15 <isabela> just hang in there :) 17:36:21 <antonela> haha 17:36:32 <isabela> i am trying to lose hope 17:36:34 <isabela> see :) 17:36:37 <antonela> hahah 17:37:10 <isabela> ok ok! 17:37:15 <isabela> after loosing hope :P 17:37:18 <isabela> whatelse? 17:37:36 <isabela> i think we are good this week 17:38:07 <isabela> just keep testing - whenever antonela and hiro ping us with a solution for the problem with the js stuff 17:38:10 <isabela> we should mega test it 17:39:23 <antonela> yep 17:39:45 <isabela> ok 17:39:49 <isabela> i think we good 17:39:55 <isabela> should i kill the bot? 17:40:03 <hiro> yep kill it 17:40:18 * Phoul watches isabela sneak up on MeetBot 17:40:22 <flexlibris> lol 17:40:26 <isabela> #endmeeting