18:01:51 <flexlibris> #startmeeting community team meeting 18:01:51 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Jan 10 18:01:51 2018 UTC. The chair is flexlibris. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:51 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:15 <flexlibris> I'd like to start by checking in on outstanding roadmap tasks from December/current roadmap tasks in January 18:02:28 <flexlibris> roadmap is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1biph8qhxvUc_VetcaJjkS9H3kKC95yPB9Z1VhZLypIQ/edit?pli=1#gid=0 18:02:59 <flexlibris> there are two december tasks that are either not noted or ongoing 18:03:05 <flexlibris> the ongoing one is mine -- starting the Rome meeting planning 18:03:33 <flexlibris> save the dates have gone out, and Jon is going to send the invites soon. gunner, Shari, and I are starting to work on other logistics like agenda planning 18:03:46 <flexlibris> Phoul: can you give an update on the downloads page translation? 18:03:53 <flexlibris> err, integration 18:05:19 <flexlibris> you there Phoul? 18:05:30 <Phoul> The transifex developer I was speaking with stopped responding shortly before Christmas. I sent a follow-up email at the beginning of the week, but have not heard back. If I dont hear anything, I will progress with the slightly hacky way I can do it without needing webml support in Transifex. However, unfortunately, this makes things a bit more confusing to translate. When I looked at Lektor initially, 18:05:36 <Phoul> it had proper l10n support, so this will not be an issue as soon as we switch. 18:05:40 <Phoul> Unfortunately until we switch, we have to deal with webml's oddness. 18:06:01 <flexlibris> that's annoying 18:06:12 <flexlibris> I wonder if the hacky solution is worth the work required if it's just a temporary fix? 18:06:31 <Phoul> That is a good question. I think it depends how long we expect the important pages to remain in webml format. 18:06:53 <flexlibris> yeah, and I'm not sure the answer 18:06:54 <flexlibris> can we do this 18:06:56 <kat5> Did funding ever come through for the website redesign? 18:07:08 <flexlibris> can you start an email with you, me, and the ux team, and talk about a timeline for the main part of the website? 18:07:16 <flexlibris> and tell them you're trying to solve for this problem 18:07:18 <t0mmy> kat5 it did indeed 18:07:24 <Phoul> flexlibris: Sure! 18:07:26 <kat5> Great. 18:07:26 <flexlibris> and see what they think 18:07:29 <Phoul> Will get that out today. 18:07:33 <flexlibris> thanks! 18:07:38 <flexlibris> I will note it on the roadmap 18:08:16 <flexlibris> great, so, next item for january 18:08:38 <flexlibris> more support portal content, which is work done on #24129 18:08:53 <flexlibris> I wrote up some new articles based on some of the research pari has done 18:08:59 <flexlibris> and those will get integrated into the portal 18:09:05 <pari> cool! 18:09:31 <flexlibris> isa asked that if we're continuing to make more support articles (and we are) we should hang on to them, and then we can integrate them later when the portal goes live 18:09:38 <flexlibris> rather than rolling them into the current copy 18:10:13 <flexlibris> it would be great to do another sprint on this, maybe next month, especially to solve for the user issues pari identified (I didn't get to all of them) 18:10:20 <flexlibris> so I'm going to add that as a roadmap task for next month 18:10:31 <t0mmy> I'd be down with that 18:10:52 <Phoul> +1, that sounds great. 18:11:05 <flexlibris> cool 18:11:20 <flexlibris> pari: do you have a link to your spreadsheet handy? it would be good to share it here if you do 18:11:48 <pari> yes I do, just a moment 18:11:52 <flexlibris> cool, thanks 18:12:02 <flexlibris> just so folks can refer to it now if they want 18:12:26 <flexlibris> Phoul: the next item is about support portal translation, which we just were talking about in the last meeting in here. can you summarize what your next steps are for the team here? 18:12:41 <pari> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/Ar5MqT1Bp8FbWZjxLBtwxCoWdXcEcQ3x8P2iC3CxHbg 18:12:43 <flexlibris> wait oops that's in february. okay well I am moving it up since you're doing it now :) 18:13:07 <Phoul> Sure! 18:13:12 <pari> flexlibris: there it is 18:13:21 <flexlibris> thank you pari! 18:14:23 <Phoul> So hiro has gotten a chunk of the coding done, and I will be llooking today at uploading test documents to Transifex based on what she has. I will be sending an announcement this week to reviewers informing them that content should be hitting the portal within the next couple weeks. 18:14:26 <pari> I suggest you refer to the second sheet "doubts and issues" for the support portal content. the first sheet only has bugs, more for devs 18:15:09 <flexlibris> thanks Phoul 18:15:20 <flexlibris> I edited that roadmap item slightly to reflect the work you're doing more specifically 18:15:25 <pari> and drop me a mail if someone needs edit rights. that way you can mark the issues that have been included in the support portal 18:15:35 <Phoul> flexlibris: Thanks! 18:16:07 <flexlibris> pari: oh good thinking. let's talk about marking some issues as resolved in our meeting after this meeting 18:16:10 <t0mmy> pari this is amazingly useful, I'm so glad you're on board. 18:16:20 <Phoul> +1 ^ 18:16:20 <flexlibris> +1! 18:16:36 <flexlibris> t0mmy: any update on the funding you're looking into for community stuff? 18:16:44 <t0mmy> flexlibris yes! 18:16:44 <flexlibris> I know that we have plans to discuss/work on this next week 18:16:46 <flexlibris> cool yay 18:17:35 <t0mmy> well, sort of -- the update is that I think we'll be on track with who might fund and ready to send some letters by end of Jan, if not a little before. 18:18:03 <t0mmy> Next week will be useful in terms of specific copy and course correcting if needs be, but this week I've been deep in research and have one or two promising leads. 18:18:15 <flexlibris> awesome 18:18:31 <t0mmy> I'll be blocked a little bit getting final sign-off from Shari but I think we're in good shape. 18:18:38 <flexlibris> it sounds like it 18:18:58 <t0mmy> but if we get it to the stage where that's the only thing we're waiting on, we'll be doing well 18:19:14 <flexlibris> heck yeah 18:19:21 <t0mmy> =) </fin> 18:19:28 <flexlibris> cool 18:19:32 <flexlibris> next item is about cryptorave planning 18:19:50 <flexlibris> I am hoping we can support travel costs for intrigeri to go 18:20:13 <flexlibris> and be a presenter or at least a facilitator for a Tor/Tails talk 18:20:31 <flexlibris> I am asking the vegas leads tomorrow what kind of financial support we might have to send more than just him 18:20:44 <flexlibris> so I hope to update that soon. it would be ideal to get a small group of Tor people to attend. 18:20:56 <flexlibris> that conference is in May btw 18:22:16 <flexlibris> the next item is done -- November 2018 Tor Meeting is going to happen in Brazil :) :) 18:22:42 <flexlibris> dates TBD. city will likely be Sao Paulo 18:22:42 <Phoul> Woo! 18:22:50 <tjr> Get your visas early :) 18:22:57 <kat5> Wow!! 18:23:00 <flexlibris> tjr: +1 18:23:07 <flexlibris> that is why the planning is happening so early 18:23:12 <flexlibris> Jon is doing his thing now 18:24:11 <flexlibris> okay moving on 18:24:14 <flexlibris> speakers bureau conferences 18:24:26 <flexlibris> so I've been trying to get more/better Tor representation at various conferences across the world 18:25:29 <flexlibris> mainly for "state of the onion" style generalist talks, but any Tor talks are good 18:25:55 <Phoul> I've been asked to give a few talks on settings up relays, will have more information on those as planning progresses. 18:26:23 <flexlibris> so far we've got proposals accepted for this year's LibrePlanet in Cambridge and nullcon in India, plus proposals out to RightsCon in Toronto, and will submit to CryptoRave and HOPE once the CFP's open 18:26:31 <flexlibris> oh and bornhak too, when that opens 18:26:49 <flexlibris> any ideas for other conferences to submit to? 18:26:57 <flexlibris> Phoul: that's great! make sure to get it on the events calendar! 18:27:14 <Phoul> For areas that dont have a lot of conferences, could look into BSides events to see if they might be worth attending. 18:27:24 <armadev> in the past the 'state of the onion' style talks have been a huge amount of work to put together. we should probably avoid dumping that work on whichever person steps up to do one of the talks. 18:27:39 <flexlibris> Phoul: oh yeah good idea 18:28:04 <flexlibris> armadev: good point. I am trying to mitigate it in a couple of ways 18:28:12 <flexlibris> one, having multiple Tor people presenting or on a panel 18:28:39 <flexlibris> and two, creating some slide decks that can be reused 18:30:13 <flexlibris> okay, moving on 18:30:28 <flexlibris> this next item is one that I have been putting off because it takes time and thought, two nonrenewable resources 18:30:36 <flexlibris> "define the scope of the community team" 18:31:12 <flexlibris> what we have as the scope on the wiki is not perfect: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/CommunityTeam#Overview 18:31:26 <flexlibris> and armadev has pointed out that a few things that have been grouped with the community team might be better somewhere else, like support 18:31:47 <flexlibris> so, I am putting this forward for people to think about. what is the community team's scope/what should it be? 18:32:12 <flexlibris> I may start an email thread on the community team list to work through this idea some. but it's on your minds now. 18:32:27 <Phoul> Sounds good 18:32:57 <armadev> i have some vague memories of also suggesting that people brainstorm "things that tor ought to be doing that have fallen into the cracks between teams" 18:33:04 <flexlibris> armadev: yes 18:33:14 <flexlibris> I think we should talk about that in some Big Way in Rome 18:34:21 <flexlibris> speaking of Rome 18:34:26 <flexlibris> the next thing is outreach for the open hacking days 18:34:32 <flexlibris> and I will need help with this 18:34:46 <flexlibris> but before it happens, based on the survey feedback I want to get some broader feedback about the open days 18:35:03 <flexlibris> cause their intended purpose is unclear and they aren't working well in the current form 18:35:41 <flexlibris> so by our next meeting on the 24th I will have a better sense of this, and some people here can help me track down all of the Italian Tor people and ask for their assistance on this 18:36:18 <flexlibris> the next item is also mostly done/ongoing bc it's essential to meeting planning 18:36:41 <flexlibris> all of the sponsor 9 stuff is for me and Isa to deal with 18:36:51 <flexlibris> which leaves the relay ops wiki 18:37:30 <flexlibris> we've done SO much work on this since it started as a blog post idea from me and Phoul. here's the ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/24497 18:37:56 <flexlibris> if you've been working on this, please take a look at the most recent ticket comments and see if there are any remaining issues you can help resolve. 18:38:21 <Phoul> I will be reviewing the ops wiki this week for content, as I havent kept up with all the changes since a bunch of people jumped onto it. Will also be cleaning up the kinda random way the coldhak script ended up being listed, I think its a bit confusing at the moment. 18:38:32 <flexlibris> thanks Phoul 18:39:19 <flexlibris> so, overall we're making good progress on January's roadmap 18:39:33 <flexlibris> now I'd like to talk about some of the open tickets this team has and what's happening with them 18:40:06 <t0mmy> if nobody has any objections, I'm going to step out and prep for this call -- I'm around in the afternoon if anyone needs anything 18:40:14 <flexlibris> t0mmy: later! 18:40:18 <t0mmy> thx! 18:40:58 <flexlibris> there's a bunch of open tickets about mirrors that don't seem to be moving at all 18:41:40 <flexlibris> 22150, 22178, 22179, 22181, 22182 18:41:42 <Phoul> That is samdney's right? 18:41:52 <Phoul> Wow, im magic. 18:41:55 <flexlibris> lol 18:42:05 <flexlibris> Samdney: we were just wondering about all these open mirror tickets and what their status is 18:42:12 <flexlibris> eg 22150, 22178 18:42:53 <Samdney> moment I'm looking... 18:42:59 <Samdney> #22150 18:43:09 <Samdney> #22178 18:43:35 <flexlibris> there is also 22179, 22181, 22182 18:43:49 <Samdney> #22179 18:43:50 <Phoul> (I think if you add #, it will do the links) 18:44:09 <Samdney> ok this ticket is not from me 18:44:11 <flexlibris> (thanks, I know, I just didn't want zwiebelbot to start spamming us if not needed) 18:44:27 <Phoul> :) 18:44:45 <Samdney> ok ... mmm 18:44:52 <Samdney> #22181 18:45:01 <Samdney> #22182 18:45:16 <Samdney> yeap this tickets are from me... 18:45:48 <flexlibris> are you working on them? 18:46:11 <Samdney> yes and no. I work on the last one. 18:46:41 <Samdney> 22178 is a reminder, that we not forget the mirror page during website redisgn 18:46:46 <Samdney> *redisign 18:46:52 <Samdney> *redesign 18:47:21 <Samdney> 22181 is a community team ticket :) 18:47:51 <flexlibris> okay. if you need some help getting these tickets completed then we should find some other people who may want to work on it 18:47:56 <Samdney> 22179 is also redesign :) 18:48:35 <flexlibris> something else that could use some help is responding to the trademark usage requests: #19911 and #23632 18:48:56 <Samdney> "What can we do for mirro people?" is a question for everbody. not only me :) 18:49:02 <Samdney> *mirror 18:49:25 <flexlibris> I asked you only because you are the owner of the majority of those tickets, and you reported that one, so I thought you might have an update 18:49:31 <Phoul> Do we currently send mirror ops t-shirts and stuff? 18:49:48 <Samdney> I don't think so. 18:50:56 <flexlibris> there is so much more that we could be doing for the mirror ops community, which is one reason I'd really like to identify some people to work on these tickets 18:51:25 <flexlibris> but for now we have to move on bc we have only a few minutes left in this meeting 18:51:37 <flexlibris> another open ticket that people should be aware of: #22079 18:51:56 <flexlibris> if you have suggestions for community governance docs that should exist, or edits for existing docs, please leave a comment on that ticket 18:52:39 <kat5> Where do the ratified docs live? 18:53:27 <flexlibris> kat5: https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/ and also linked to from the community team wiki 18:53:32 <flexlibris> better discoverability would be good 18:53:33 <flexlibris> if you have ideas 18:53:35 <kat5> Thanks. 18:53:54 <flexlibris> this is a fun idea that needs some love #24148 18:53:56 <kat5> I noticed that the mailing list wiki page has outdated info on getting onto internal lists. Will update. 18:54:08 <flexlibris> it is assigned to me and I would like to do it if I have time someday 18:54:12 <flexlibris> kat5: thanks for that 18:54:19 <Phoul> flexlibris: Thats an awesome idea. 18:54:42 <flexlibris> Phoul: maybe we can revisit it in a few weeks 18:54:51 <Phoul> Sounds good :) 18:55:06 <flexlibris> I am going to start working on #24757 after I finish #24758 18:55:21 <flexlibris> I have been collecting anecdata from relay operators about the second one 18:55:46 <flexlibris> okay, so now everyone knows about the outstanding tickets and where we are on the roadmap. yay. 18:55:57 <flexlibris> anything else to discuss in the last four minutes of the meeting? 18:56:10 <flexlibris> oh I will be sending a community team update to tor-project today (or tomorrow lol) 18:57:24 <Phoul> Just a note on the wikipedia thing, I seem to recall someone reaching out to them a few years ago and them being... very not helpful. Hopefully things have changed or im remembering wrong, but just so you're aware. 18:57:39 <armadev> wikipedia is full of all sorts of people 18:57:45 <armadev> most editors fear tor because they fear the internet 18:57:46 <flexlibris> ^^ 18:57:49 <flexlibris> ha 18:57:54 <armadev> some of their tech people are smarter about it 18:57:59 <armadev> problem is, their tech people are very rare 18:58:03 <Samdney> O.O 18:58:26 * armadev gets in a "who likes ice cream" attack on flexlibris's "^^" 18:58:31 <Samdney> yeap only a few number of persons 18:58:35 <flexlibris> once I have the data organized, we can figure out who the right people are to approach, and what the right approach is 18:59:17 <flexlibris> armadev: lol wat 19:00:01 <Samdney> there is somewhere a site with all employees and their positions ...maybe that also helps ;) 19:00:08 <flexlibris> okay cool it's 1900 19:00:21 <flexlibris> shall we end this meeting or do we have anything else to discuss 19:00:28 <pari> there is a mail on tor-project on creating 'How to Run a Relay' Brochure/Fliers for use at Defcon, HOPE, and a bunch of other places. 19:00:32 <tjr> i sent an email to -project about brochures :) 19:00:40 <flexlibris> pari: yes, just saw that. thanks tjr. 19:01:12 <pari> I can help with the graphics part if reqd 19:01:17 <pari> let me know 19:01:24 <tjr> whoo! thanks! 19:01:53 <pari> tjr: :) 19:01:58 <Phoul> Once the wiki page is deemed complete, I'm happy to look into boiling the info down to what we'd put on something like that. 19:02:03 <flexlibris> great 19:02:04 <armadev> flexlibris: the "who likes ice cream" attack is a common issue in group chat. one person says "who likes ice cream", you answer "me!", and somebody else said "who likes hitler" in the mean time and the order of messages shows up in a way that surprises you. 19:02:04 <Phoul> As is, it would be a little bookish. 19:02:15 <flexlibris> armadev: ah lol 19:02:22 <armadev> security is hard :) 19:02:31 <flexlibris> good thing I agreed with both statements you said 19:02:40 <flexlibris> good thing you wouldn't ask 'who likes hitler' 19:03:06 <Samdney> I don't like ice cream ;P 19:03:17 <flexlibris> okay I am going to call this meeting finished 19:03:21 <flexlibris> #endmeeting