17:00:07 <asn> #startmeeting network team meeting
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17:00:17 <asn> pad is @ http://pad.riseup.net/p/LCss5dtbyXCJ
17:00:31 <asn> nickm: dgoulet: catalyst: ahf: isis: pastly: teor: etc. ^
17:00:38 <asn> or whoever is around
17:00:42 <pastly> ehlo
17:01:02 <asn> ok im going thru the status reports
17:01:30 <nickm> thanks screen -dr
17:05:15 <nickm> thanks asn, sorry about this horrible internet connection i have
17:05:19 <asn> it's fine
17:05:31 <asn> so didd everyone read the status reports?
17:05:45 <isis> o/
17:05:50 <asn> does anyone want to move to discussion and which topic?
17:06:38 <nickm> i'll do my regular reminder that code review is awesome
17:06:55 <nickm> and that fixing 0.3.1 bugs is nice
17:07:25 <asn> review-group-20 seems all reviewed up
17:07:35 <asn> fwiw
17:07:37 <isis> ugh i cannot load the pad
17:07:45 <asn> http://5jp7xtmox6jyoqd5.onion/p/LCss5dtbyXCJ
17:07:45 <asn> http://pad.riseup.net/p/LCss5dtbyXCJ
17:08:27 <ahf> ive added my notes now, but my boat will start sailing in a second so will probably disappear after that. i will answer questions once i am on the other side of the boat trip.
17:09:29 <asn> mobile sponsor8 stuff look very cool :)
17:10:17 <asn> teor: komlo: great to see people organizing extra hackfest activities! i wrote some stuff about my availability on the pad.
17:11:41 <ahf> yes, the sponsor 8 stuff is going to be a lot of fun.  just need to round the sponsor 4 stuff off firstly before it becomes too exciting. heh
17:12:05 <asn> dgoulet: added #22940 and #22735 to https://pad.riseup.net/p/LPVY6AL_prop224_upstreaming as well
17:12:45 <asn> ok i guess there is not much to discuss
17:13:01 <nickm> one thing i would like to know...
17:13:01 <catalyst> can we talk about Montreal scheduling?
17:13:07 <ahf> nickm: you prefer email over irc this week, right?
17:13:31 <nickm> dgoulet, teor: I wonder if we have consensus that trace is a better way to export data to privcount than the control port is
17:13:51 <nickm> if we agree on that I'd like to know because I'd like to hack a little on that
17:13:55 <ahf> ok. on a boat now. will read backlog later.
17:13:58 <nickm> dgoulet: maybe talk to teor when you're both around?
17:14:05 <nickm> ahf: yes, email is better
17:14:16 <dgoulet> nickm: I did about it in AMS and control port is not ideal
17:14:17 <dgoulet> so yes
17:14:18 <nickm> catalyst: sure we can talk about montreal scheduling though mailing list is also a good idea for followup there
17:14:20 <dgoulet> let's talk more
17:14:33 <nickm> catalyst: no reason we can't talk here though
17:14:41 <nickm> asn: should I open a review-group-21 ?
17:15:50 <asn> nickm: i think it's a reasoanble time to do so
17:16:03 <asn> all review-group-19 and review-group-20 tickets seem to be in needs_revision or merge_ready or merged
17:16:25 <nickm> ok, will do
17:19:53 <nickm> discussion on montreal stuff?
17:20:30 <isis> are folks at PETS this week?
17:20:49 <asn> i have a feeling this is not the best time to do the montreal discussion, given that teor who is driving it is not around...
17:21:00 <asn> but i also dont have a suggestion on how to do the discussion best
17:21:13 <nickm> I am! So is mikeperry and isabela and armadev . Not sure who else.
17:21:15 <dgoulet> email thread, we can hit everyone on the net team at once
17:21:19 <catalyst> right now it seems to be split among at least 2 email threads?
17:21:35 <dgoulet> let's consolidate? :)
17:22:34 <catalyst> also any plans for post-meeting stuff? i wound up possibly missing some stuff at AMS because some last-minute stuff materialized; should i expect to stay late in case something comes up?
17:23:20 <nickm> So, fwict, our best opportunity for that is to make sure we have a reliable plan to be available for each other during the public hack days...
17:23:29 <nickm> ...and a way to schedule time and space during those days.
17:23:44 <nickm> I think most people generally stay for the public hack days if they can
17:23:48 <nickm> any other thoughts?
17:25:19 <catalyst> ok the public hack days are 14th and 15th, plus a bonus teor day on the 16th?
17:25:32 <dgoulet> yeah that is a good strategy that pays off usually, the Rust hackfest is on Oct 10th so now we need 1) to make an agenda for Oct 11th and 2) do we do one on the 9th for people who would be there and then 3) 16th+ :)
17:25:49 <dgoulet> catalyst: yeah teor even proposed the 9th
17:26:01 <nickm> hmm.  let's remember that people's energy is finite :)
17:26:07 <nickm> especially for old folks like me
17:26:16 <dgoulet> yeah the 16th I'm not sure ;)
17:26:26 <dgoulet> as I said, I'm usually drained by then
17:26:38 <catalyst> also patience for poor quality venue wi-fi is limited (and slows down work a lot)
17:26:58 <isis> do we want any rust people to be invited?  and/or people who teach rust?
17:27:45 <asn> nickm: PETSy question for you at #22940 ;)
17:27:57 <nickm> ok
17:28:16 <catalyst> i know basically nothing about rust but would be interested in being in an environment that makes it easy to learn more :)
17:28:28 <nickm> asn: /me looks
17:28:44 <nickm> asn: huh, thought I had replied there
17:29:02 <dgoulet> catalyst: want to consolidate the email threads for the hackfests and 11th meeting? :D
17:29:03 <nickm> oh, wait, I had replied here
17:29:23 <isis> i'm pretty sure there's several who would be happy to come hack with us
17:29:27 <isis> but that might be harder if we're like "ok, it is gonna be the 9th and 10th, then we start again on the 13th-16th"
17:29:36 <asn> nickm: oh my irc box restarted... perhaps i lost backlog
17:29:52 <isis> so maybe it would be better to point out the public hackdays and invite them to that?
17:30:00 <nickm> asn -- copypasted
17:30:06 <asn> thx
17:30:24 <asn> isis: that seems like a reasonable plan
17:32:02 <isis> asn: ack
17:32:22 <catalyst> would there be any purpose in continuing to have hackfest stuff on the 9th and 10th then? or is that "hack on rust without outside rust experts"?
17:32:37 <dgoulet> isis: maybe this should be post-meeting but have you figured out the TB + Rust question?
17:33:18 <asn> ( dgoulet: what's that question?)
17:34:02 <dgoulet> asn: well if we can enable Rust in TB and then probably reproducible builds at that point?
17:35:50 <dgoulet> catalyst: I'm a bit confused by your question. You mean is there purpose to have a Rust hackfest on the 10th *without* a Rust expert?
17:37:17 <catalyst> if isis invites the outside rust people for 14th-16th but not 9th-10th, are we still doing rust stuff on the 9th-10th?
17:37:21 <isis> the ticket for reproducible builds in rust was started by infinity0 like a year ago, and seems to be going pretty well https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/34902
17:38:05 <dgoulet> catalyst: good question... I haz no idea ... I'm still unsure what that Rust hackfest is exactly :S
17:38:08 <isis> i mean, the TB team unfortunately doesn't get much of an option with rust, because the ESR for next june it is not optional
17:38:23 <dgoulet> oh wow
17:40:20 <GeKo> i would be interested in that rust hack idea. is there a way to keep me updated so that i can take that into account when booking my flights?
17:41:43 <isis> so i guess if we do something on the 9th and 10th, we could have sort of a recap session like we did in wilmington on the current status, and then start getting people set up with the tooling to build tor with rust and start hacking in rust, and then maybe find small projects to do to start learning
17:43:02 <isis> and then 13-15th we could invite some rust people and they'll probably have a lot smarter pointers than i could give
17:43:41 <isis> i guess once we consolidate the threads i'll just put that there and ask everyone
17:44:07 <dgoulet> neat
17:44:41 <asn> should we try to figure out who will be the thread consolidator?
17:45:00 <asn> since it seems we need a central thread with all the options/ideas and a way to declare attendance
17:45:08 <isis> GeKo: we've been talking on network-team@ but we can also cc tbb-dev@ ? or is there a better list to cc?
17:45:30 <isis> GeKo: is there a tbb-team@ list?
17:45:34 <dgoulet> asn: +1 we need a consolidator
17:45:52 <isis> i can consolidate
17:46:04 <dgoulet> boom
17:46:17 <isis> wait let me make sure i have both
17:46:19 <catalyst> i think i misremembered and there might not be hackfest stuff in the team day (11th) thread; sorry for any confusion
17:46:20 <asn> teh consolodator has been found!
17:47:02 <asn> anything else to discuss people? or should we wrap this up?
17:48:32 <isis> yeah there seems to be only one thread
17:48:46 <isis> consolidation done! boom
17:49:04 <isis> i'll cc GeKo i guess?
17:52:13 <isis> meeting is done?
17:52:43 <asn> #endmeeting