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18:00:59 <GeKo> hi all!
18:01:09 <boklm> hi!
18:01:10 <GeKo> welcome to another tor browser meeting
18:01:27 <GeKo> as usual we start with the status updates
18:01:33 <GeKo> who wants to go first today?
18:02:06 * boklm can go
18:02:12 <GeKo> go!
18:02:13 <boklm> This past week I worked on #21982 and #22238, improved scripts for #21286, and helped build the new alpha release.
18:02:21 <boklm> This week I'm planning to help publish the new alpha, and work on #22267, #21982, #22194 and help ln5 with setup of rbm nightly builds.
18:02:32 <boklm> That's it for me.
18:02:50 <arthuredelstein> hi everyone!
18:03:13 <Yawning> I punted on tagging the sandbox
18:03:28 <Yawning> I'll tag for the next alpha
18:03:38 <GeKo> boklm: we need to get back at some point with the panopticlick setup
18:03:47 <GeKo> we are a bit behind with that deliverable
18:03:49 <Yawning> since no one toild me otherise, I will also assume that the sandbox is not on fire, and not burning down, and continue ignoring it.
18:03:51 <boklm> ok
18:03:55 <GeKo> can you put that back on your plate?
18:04:00 <boklm> ok
18:04:01 <GeKo> and make sure it gets some love?
18:04:04 <GeKo> thanks
18:04:09 <Yawning> if it is in fact on fire and burning down, let me know either via trac or e-mails
18:04:12 <Yawning> the end
18:04:43 <GeKo> will do, thanks
18:05:37 <GeKo> who is next?
18:05:41 * arthuredelstein can /me can go
18:05:46 <Yawning> it probably needs improvement/developer love at some point or it'll stagnate, but that's more slow decay than "on fire"
18:06:14 <arthuredelstein> This week I worked on #22165, #13612, #21688, and #21685
18:06:21 <arthuredelstein> I also worked a lot on #21688, but not finished yet.
18:06:32 <arthuredelstein> Argh, wrong number. just a sec
18:06:44 <arthuredelstein> I also worked a lot on #21762, but not finished yet.
18:07:06 <arthuredelstein> And I looked a bit at #21766 on gk's request but so far didn't find anything mcs and brade haven't already considered.
18:07:36 <arthuredelstein> This week I will try to finish #21762 and work on more tbb-7.0-must tickets as usual.
18:07:46 <arthuredelstein> That's it for me
18:08:04 * mcs will go next
18:08:10 <mcs> Last week, Kathy and I created patches for #21779, #21879, #21940, #22044.
18:08:43 <mcs> We also created an additional patch for #20761.
18:08:50 <mcs> We worked some more on #21766 but do not have a solution yet.
18:08:56 <mcs> We also worked on #22000 but do not have a patch yet.
18:09:02 <mcs> And we reviewed some patches.
18:09:08 <mcs> This week, we will respond in #22232 (Network Team request for some Tor Launcher info).
18:09:14 <mcs> Also, we plan to work on #21766 some more (if we learn anything new we will post it to the ticket right away).
18:09:20 <mcs> We will then look at other tbb-7.0-must tickets, probably starting with #21431.
18:09:32 <mcs> Also, due to other commitments, next week Kathy and I will be in and out of the office (so we will be less available the week of May 22nd).
18:09:39 <mcs> That’s all for us.
18:09:44 <GeKo> okay, thanks.
18:09:52 <GeKo> i guess i can go.
18:10:29 <GeKo> last week i worked on a bunch of last minute fixes for a number of tbb-7.0-must-alpha tickets
18:10:45 <GeKo> those were mainly pref switches
18:11:04 <GeKo> i spent quite some time debugging #21886
18:11:19 <GeKo> but did not get so far to fully understand this issue
18:11:41 <GeKo> then i got distracted by stuff for the SIF conference this week and release duties
18:12:07 <GeKo> boklm: i signed all the things and uploaded the bundles to my build dir
18:12:12 <GeKo> should be ready now
18:12:46 <GeKo> this week i guess i'll be distracted by SIF, I need to prepare a talk for thursday as well
18:12:53 <GeKo> we got one of the slots, woo!
18:13:21 <arthuredelstein> cool!
18:13:25 <GeKo> i'll go over the tbb-7.0-must tickets to organize them ones more, setting priorities right etc.
18:14:08 <GeKo> i hope to have some time to look at #16825 and #20685
18:14:22 <GeKo> err #16285
18:14:49 <GeKo> arthuredelstein: re: #20685: i guess my plan is to look at all the corner cases we fixed in the past
18:14:55 <GeKo> and test them manually with 7.0a4
18:15:20 <GeKo> it seems there are already some favicon related which got found
18:15:24 <GeKo> but there might be more
18:15:46 <arthuredelstein> GeKo: Sounds good. I'm working on some of that #21762
18:15:49 <GeKo> that's it for me i think
18:16:04 <GeKo> okay, good.
18:16:26 <tjr> I can go
18:16:29 <tjr> I've worked on a few more MinGW bugs: Finished the new NSS build system, Identified problems with OpenVR and sent them upstream (#1363173), and a few small ones (1364555, 1363465, 1363216, 1359552)
18:16:32 <tjr> However there are a few new major ones: Skia Assembly code: 1364560 and OSPreferences: 1363506
18:16:35 <tjr> I've gotten help on including winpthread in 1349912, but it will take them a little bit to get up to speed.
18:16:38 <tjr> I am working on two build related processes, MinGW is the more complicated one so I'm getting some experience with the other one first.
18:16:48 <tjr> That's it
18:17:29 <GeKo> man, all those mingw bugs :(
18:17:38 <GeKo> thanks for dealing with that tjr
18:18:23 <GeKo> anyone else here for a status update
18:18:25 <GeKo> ?
18:18:30 <Yawning> I have a random question
18:18:45 <Yawning> how easy will it be to add GNAT to our deterministic build system
18:19:03 <Yawning> if I do basket3, I'm going to do it in Ada2012
18:19:19 <Yawning> and want to know if it'll actually be deployable, or something I write for lols, that rots
18:19:42 <GeKo> dunno, try it? :)
18:20:17 <Yawning> k
18:20:39 <Yawning> as long as it cross complies and produces deternimistic output it's fine right?
18:20:59 <GeKo> tjr: fwiw: 1363506 is not so important for us as we don't build with --without-intl-api anymore
18:21:07 <GeKo> Yawning: yes
18:21:41 <GeKo> tjr: so strictly speaking this is no blocker for 1330608 i guess
18:22:25 <GeKo> okay, discussion time
18:22:37 <GeKo> i have only two items i think
18:22:44 <GeKo> one is the release date for 7.0
18:23:15 <GeKo> it seems we have 4 weeks until we must upgrade to esr 52.2.0
18:23:37 <GeKo> as in the past it seems useful to have a major stable slightly before that
18:24:00 <GeKo> so i guess this leaves 2-3 weeks for ironing out the remaining major things
18:24:46 <GeKo> so, my plan is to look at what is still open on may 29 and then decide whether we want to wait another week
18:25:09 <GeKo> fixing the final release date at that meeting
18:25:50 <mcs> That sounds like a good plan. We may need as much time as we can get :)
18:25:50 <GeKo> the other thing is #21766
18:25:58 <GeKo> yeah
18:26:17 <GeKo> this is a release blocker
18:26:35 <GeKo> and we don't have a good solution to it yet which makes it worse
18:27:01 <GeKo> if we don't come up with a good direct fix for it we need to get creative
18:27:09 <GeKo> (i mean more a than usual :) )
18:27:27 <GeKo> s/a than/than/
18:27:49 <GeKo> i there are things we could try please add those to the ticket and we can think about them
18:28:03 <GeKo> arthuredelstein: this is even higher prio than the favicon stuff fwiw
18:28:22 <mcs> I wonder if we can get help from someone at Mozilla?  e.g., if we could reliable suspend and resume the request while we had our prompt open I think we would be okay.
18:28:41 <arthuredelstein> Would it be possible to cancel the request and then re-issue it?
18:28:55 <arthuredelstein> (just as an alternative to suspending/resuming)
18:29:12 <GeKo> might be an idea worth investigating
18:29:15 <mcs> agreed
18:29:40 <Yawning> so websites will see 2 fetches in their log?
18:29:49 <Yawning> that's kind of rude isn't it?
18:29:59 <GeKo> mcs: yes, maybe? not sure where we could ask, though.
18:30:06 <GeKo> tjr: ^ maybe you have an idea?
18:30:11 <Yawning> (yes, there may be no other choice, but playing nice is important)
18:31:06 <arthuredelstein> Yawning: yeah, true, that's kinda rude
18:31:17 <Yawning> it might trip rate limiting too
18:31:21 <arthuredelstein> true
18:31:23 <Yawning> for filehosts and stuff
18:31:41 <arthuredelstein> The other thing I was wondering is if we can display the prompt earlier somehow.
18:31:58 <tjr> I'm afraid I have no ideas about this, I'm not familiar with any of the related stuff
18:32:07 <arthuredelstein> We should be able to display it as soon as we know the mimetype requires an external app
18:32:10 <Yawning> I assume the existing code is based off the mime type in the response header
18:32:21 <arthuredelstein> I thnk it's more complicated than that.
18:32:26 <GeKo> alas it is
18:32:39 <Yawning> or at least, it requires the response header to make a good decision
18:32:47 <Yawning> so you're already downloading-ish
18:32:53 <GeKo> yes
18:34:12 <GeKo> tjr: btw: did anything come up when asking about getting added for release notifications?
18:34:22 <GeKo> i joined #releng a bit late last week
18:34:36 <GeKo> and the discussion might already have been over...
18:34:56 <Yawning> on a separate tangent, what is the plan for the esr52 requires PulseAudio shitfest that will inevitably happen when stable swtiches
18:35:03 <tjr> There was a comment about watching for version bump commits, but that doesn't seem very useful/practical
18:35:18 <GeKo> indeed
18:35:21 <tjr> Aside from that I'm afraid not.
18:35:29 <GeKo> :(
18:35:36 <tjr> I think we'll need to email someone and prod a response
18:35:49 <GeKo> okay, thanks. I can do that i guess
18:36:08 <tjr> Could you send me an short email asking "Hey can you tell me how to..." and I'll try and figure out who to forward it to
18:36:22 <GeKo> will do.
18:37:08 <GeKo> alright, do we have anything else to discuss.
18:37:10 <GeKo> ?
18:37:25 <GeKo> Yawning: we'll add a  note on the release blog
18:37:41 <Yawning> so "sit around with popcorn"
18:37:41 <GeKo> explaining the situation
18:37:45 <GeKo> yes
18:37:48 <Yawning> k
18:38:05 <Yawning> just making sure that there was at least a note
18:38:49 <Yawning> (the alsa code might not have rotted into uslessness yet, and they did fix it not working at all with sandboxing, bu punching gigantic gaping holes in the sandbox iirc)
18:39:06 <Yawning> (so there are other options, but popcorn is fine)
18:39:48 <GeKo> okay, thanks for the meeting *baf*
18:39:50 <GeKo> #endmeeting