13:28:42 <nickm> #startmeeting 13:28:42 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Aug 5 13:28:42 2015 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:28:42 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:28:51 <nickm> hi, everybody! I think it's time for a tor core dev meeting! 13:29:04 <nickm> Let's start with our usual checkins; I'm going to be afk for 2-3 minutes making coffee 13:30:02 <dgoulet> hello! not much on my side apart from the shared random value proposal and SponrorR, I plan to work on tickets today because I'm falling behind badly! 13:30:49 <nickm> sounds neat 13:30:50 <teor> I am working on a grant application, meatspace, and trying to get my head around the shared random proposal 13:31:01 <nickm> zowie! 13:31:16 <dgoulet> also in my wild dream (which I think I share with asn) we want to implement that SR proposal in a very nearby future :) 13:31:31 <teor> I like that idea 13:31:38 <teor> Happy to review code 13:31:39 <isabela> oi 13:32:34 <nickm> I've been poking on testing issues and simple code review and refactoring when I have fewer brain cells, and ed25519 issues when I have more 13:33:10 <nickm> s7r has dumped a huge pile of usability improvements for ed25519 keys; I'm trying to wrap up some of the protocol issues first though 13:34:25 <nickm> also I have to finish that security policy thing 13:34:27 <nickm> and admin stuff 13:34:33 <nickm> and my coffee isn't done yet 13:34:42 <nickm> that's me. Anybody else around? 13:35:48 <dgoulet> (I know that asn is semi-afk for the rest of the week so...) 13:36:25 <nickm> athena, Yawning: ? 13:37:03 <nickm> ok, this seems like it could be a short meeting 13:38:29 <qwerty1> i found some typos in the shared randomness proposal 13:38:34 <qwerty1> "if only if" 13:38:47 <qwerty1> "using this shared random values" 13:39:07 <qwerty1> s/advice/advise/ 13:39:17 <dgoulet> qwerty1: you think you can send a diff patch on the email thread or pastebin here or anything that will make me NOT forget? :) 13:39:50 * teor has been punishing dgoulet with walls of text about shared randomness 13:40:11 <dgoulet> aha! 13:40:31 <nickm> ok, on to discussion. any discussion topics for today? :) 13:41:42 <dgoulet> I do have a question 13:42:17 <dgoulet> what's the 027 stable release date? 13:42:22 <dgoulet> (or at least feature freez) 13:42:37 <teor> Good question 13:42:42 <nickm> We'd aimed for freeze this month. I think that we need to do freeze at the end of this month, or mid-sep, if we want a prayer of releasing on-time 13:43:04 <nickm> but! we also need to have a look at sep/oct deliverables, since ISTR there was some huge stuff landing around then 13:43:37 <dgoulet> hrm ok 13:44:19 <nickm> I realize this makes it a small-ish release and leaves lots of stuff out, but otherwise, we do a replay of the Bad Old Days 13:44:20 <dgoulet> so I guess we'll have a 027 stable after the dev meeting probably like oct/mid-oct? 13:44:35 <nickm> I hope so; though it might take a few RCs if history is any guide 13:44:40 <dgoulet> :) 13:44:44 <dgoulet> ok cool sounds good 13:44:51 <nickm> otoh, it might not, if we don't do a last-minute-merge of every huge patch we can think of 13:46:11 <dgoulet> nickm: ok so about the "maybe big" deliverables, there are in there large patch(es) to little-t tor? 13:46:40 <nickm> I don't recall; I'm hoping we can look at them all together. 13:46:40 <nickm> hm. 13:46:41 <dgoulet> nickm: if you have a list of tickets we NEED to get in 027 and are quite large, don't hesitate to send it somewhere so we can help with review 13:46:56 <dgoulet> (or at least know about them) 13:47:04 <teor> #15775 is a small code change, but a big behavioural change 13:47:11 <dgoulet> since I assume this would be mostly Sponsor U/T 13:47:48 <nickm> I think I was thinking of https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorS/IntegrationTesting 13:48:01 <nickm> though if there are intermediate milestones for https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorU/Tor I should know it 13:48:22 <nickm> isabela: do you khnow if there's a year1/year2 breakdown for SponsorU? 13:48:37 <isabela> yes 13:48:38 <isabela> three is 13:48:42 <isabela> *there 13:48:47 <isabela> let me mark 13:48:54 <nickm> cool. Is it on the wiki anywhere? If not, getting it onto the wiki would be great 13:49:04 <nickm> We have all that stuff going "bang" at around the same time 13:49:17 <isabela> ok 13:49:35 <isabela> the wiki does not have the part that breaks down into 2 years 13:49:41 <isabela> I will add it there 13:50:36 <nickm> great 13:51:06 <nickm> isabela: do you think it makes sense to go over the S and U first-year deliverables some time later today or this week? I'd like to know what we're on track for and what we're not and what we can get more people doing 13:52:07 <nickm> and maybe we can plan to go over it with all relevant people at the next weekly meeting, so everybody's up to speed? 13:53:28 <nickm> any other discussion topics today? 13:53:38 <dgoulet> nickm: small detail 13:53:46 <nickm> sure 13:54:08 <dgoulet> nickm: next week is the camp for which I think 90% of us will be there so expect different timezone interaction at least on my part :) 13:54:33 <nickm> ah, ok. Maybe in that case I should plan an internal status summary email after we've been over it. Good thinking! 13:56:04 <dgoulet> I'm ok on the discussion :) 13:56:21 <nickm> let's plan both maybe 13:56:40 <isabela> core tor is there 13:56:41 <dgoulet> I expect we'll be at the meeting here on #tor-dev 13:56:42 <isabela> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorU/Tor 13:56:48 <isabela> I will add tor browser soon 13:56:56 <nickm> thanks isabela 13:57:12 <isabela> nickm: it does makes sense 13:57:15 <nickm> great 13:57:23 <nickm> let's talk about when to talk about it after the meeting 13:57:26 <nickm> any more topics for the meeting? 13:57:29 <nickm> going once.... 13:57:40 <nickm> going twice.... 13:57:47 <nickm> #endmeeting