19:29:20 <sumpfralle1> #startmeeting 19:29:20 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed May 2 19:29:20 2018 UTC. The chair is sumpfralle1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:29:20 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:29:38 <sumpfralle1> #chair TheSnide dipohl h01ger chteuchteu kenyon be0rn 19:29:38 <MeetBot> Current chairs: TheSnide be0rn chteuchteu dipohl h01ger kenyon sumpfralle1 19:29:53 <sumpfralle1> #topic review last meeting 19:30:33 <sumpfralle1> I took over two tasks: "review manpages packaging in Debian for 2.999" and "add build system details to the development documentation of the guide" 19:30:55 <sumpfralle1> The first one is done. I will explain a bit more later. 19:31:10 <sumpfralle1> The second one is still open. Thus I postpone it to next week. 19:31:31 <sumpfralle1> #action sumpfralle1 add build system details to the development documentation of the guide (in case it is missing) 19:31:52 <sumpfralle1> TheSnide: did you take a look at the old manpages to be recovered? 19:32:47 <dipohl> hi sumpfralle 19:32:55 <sumpfralle1> hi dipohl 19:33:25 <dipohl> I also wait for this (restore deleted content to the Guide) 19:33:46 <sumpfralle1> I assume, that TheSnide is not here right now. Thus I postpone the task. 19:33:50 <dipohl> before I will move more content to the Guide 19:33:59 <sumpfralle1> #action TheSnide recover the few removed munin-2.0-pages of the munin-guide 19:34:31 <sumpfralle1> #info dipohl will migrate more pages from the trac wiki, after the old manpages are restored 19:34:38 <sumpfralle1> good! 19:34:46 <sumpfralle1> next topic? 19:36:08 <sumpfralle1> #topic Manpages in Debian packages 19:37:16 <sumpfralle1> recently I proposed some changes to the packaging of munin 2.0 for Debian. This will add a few more manpages and it moves the manpages to the packages, with their respective programs. This will be published with the next release, I guess. 19:37:22 <sumpfralle1> Now I started the same for 3.0. 19:37:53 <sumpfralle1> Here the packaging of the documentation already looked quite good - just two more manpages were missing in the package. I added these. 19:38:13 <sumpfralle1> #topic Debian packaging for munin 3.0 19:38:14 <dipohl> fine! 19:38:18 <sumpfralle1> yes, it was fun 19:38:33 <sumpfralle1> meanwhile I went deep down into the packaging of munin 2.999 19:38:57 <sumpfralle1> there are loads of small things to be done (especially for the non-systemd setup) 19:39:07 <sumpfralle1> I think, I will be done soon. 19:39:25 <dipohl> It looks that on Epel side no one is preparing a release of the recent 2.0 version.. :( 19:39:45 <sumpfralle1> h01ger: there is no need to review my small changes right now, as I will add more. I will tell you, when I am ready. 19:39:56 <TheSnide> hi 19:40:01 <sumpfralle1> hi 19:40:01 <h01ger> ack 19:40:34 <dipohl> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/munin/builds/ 19:40:48 <dipohl> at least it is still included in Fedora 29.. 19:40:49 <sumpfralle1> #topic EPEL packaging 19:41:04 <sumpfralle1> what can we do about this? 19:41:26 <dipohl> #action dipohl will file a bug on Fedora / Epel 19:41:27 <TheSnide> it was done by fenris01, which disapeared 19:43:01 <sumpfralle1> What is the maintenance model of EPEL? Do we need to inspire someone with upload rights? Or could we just proposed an updated packaging and hope for someone to publish it? 19:43:02 <dipohl> perhaps one of the left maintainers will pick up the task when I file a bug report.. 19:44:21 <sumpfralle1> let us wait for the bug report and hope for enthusiasm from the packagers ... 19:44:37 <sumpfralle1> another topic? 19:45:07 <dipohl> what about the new munin homepage? 19:45:29 <sumpfralle1> #topic New Website 19:45:53 <sumpfralle1> what are the steps in the direction of the new website? 19:46:05 <sumpfralle1> finishing the move of trac pages? 19:46:09 <sumpfralle1> Or something else? 19:46:26 <sumpfralle1> (or maybe we do not need to wait for this) 19:46:29 <dipohl> you said chteuchteu offered help with the technology 19:46:33 <sumpfralle1> yes 19:46:42 <dipohl> but we do not have somebody who cares for the content yet.. 19:47:14 <sumpfralle1> the same goes for the current trac pages 19:47:17 <dipohl> and the current content is outdated 19:47:24 <sumpfralle1> at least I will get an account for the new one, I hope :) 19:47:48 <dipohl> the trac wiki is sort of /freezed/ state 19:47:53 <sumpfralle1> yes, we should go through the list of documentation links, I guess 19:48:18 <sumpfralle1> frozen: yes, that's how it looks like :) 19:48:44 <sumpfralle1> right now I am immersed in the debian packaging of 2.999 19:49:12 <dipohl> I don't see high priority for the new homepage 19:49:29 <TheSnide> about the RH packaging, i think it would be much easier when 3.0 is out 19:49:39 <dipohl> but it would be very good to find a volunteer for that task 19:49:45 <dipohl> perhaps ask on the ML? 19:49:55 <sumpfralle1> website: yes, sounds good 19:50:30 <sumpfralle1> epel simplification: that would be nice improvement (the Debian package for 2.999 looks indeed much nicer than the 2.0 one) 19:50:46 <sumpfralle1> dipohl: will you as or should I? 19:51:01 <dipohl> TheSnide: 3.0 is not so easy, as there are dependencies to perl modules, that are not available in the distri yet 19:51:18 <sumpfralle1> oh - this could be a problem, indeed 19:52:08 <sumpfralle1> so we should first try to motivate someone with the 2.0 packaging, since it does not require a lot of work right now (based on the working state) 19:52:18 <dipohl> +1 19:52:47 <sumpfralle1> another topic? 19:53:04 <sumpfralle1> TheSnide: did you enjoy progress with munin-node-c? 19:53:06 <dipohl> #topic Munin Gallery 19:53:23 <sumpfralle1> ok - gallery 19:53:24 <dipohl> The new scripts are not yet implemented 19:53:29 <sumpfralle1> ah! 19:53:32 <sumpfralle1> right 19:53:43 <sumpfralle1> we needed access to the gallery server 19:53:53 <TheSnide> dipohl: which are ? 19:54:09 <sumpfralle1> I updated the scripts in the repository 19:54:20 <sumpfralle1> some small improvements and a good amount of cleanup 19:54:39 <dipohl> TheSnide: https://wiki.dipohl-kunden.de/munin_install-protokoll-2018-01-31 19:54:40 <sumpfralle1> I asked for access to the gallery server some weeks ago (for this) 19:55:12 <sumpfralle1> TheSnide / be0rn: was there something missing for access to the shiny new VM that we could maybe use? 19:55:24 <sumpfralle1> (which would be a great gift) 19:55:36 <dipohl> sumpfralle1: somebody (within that meeting) said you will get access soon 19:55:42 <be0rn> Last I heard was that my colleague Jimmy had been in touch with TheSnide 19:55:58 <be0rn> I can pursue this daytime tomorrow 19:56:10 <dipohl> be0rn: Thanks! 19:56:14 <sumpfralle1> great! 19:56:41 <sumpfralle1> #info be0rn will try to clarify access to our future gallery VM 19:57:22 <sumpfralle1> another topic? Otherwise I will jump into the packaging rabbit hole again :) 19:57:43 * dipohl is finished 19:57:51 * sumpfralle1 too 19:58:35 <sumpfralle1> could it be possible, that we finish "on time" (if we aim for a 30 minutes meeting)? yeah! 19:58:41 <sumpfralle1> we do it! 19:58:43 <sumpfralle1> #endmeeting