20:05:23 <TheSnide> #startmeeting 20:05:23 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Sep 2 20:05:23 2014 UTC. The chair is TheSnide. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:05:23 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:39 <TheSnide> Nothing much happened these days. 20:07:32 <dipohl> That's not true ;) 20:07:41 <dipohl> The gallery is finished :) 20:07:59 <TheSnide> oh. yes. :) 20:08:12 <TheSnide> did you managed to launch it on contrib.git ? 20:08:22 <dipohl> When will you setup vhost on project server? 20:08:46 <TheSnide> ssm: < dipohl:#munin> When will you setup vhost on project server? <-- for gallery 20:10:55 <dipohl> TheSnide: scripts are ready for git.munin 20:11:11 <dipohl> I have not started work for git.contrib 20:11:50 <TheSnide> ok 20:12:33 <TheSnide> dipohl: actually http://gallery.munin-monitoring.org works 20:13:08 <dipohl> ah, nice >:) 20:13:19 <dipohl> but this is not the last version 20:13:38 <dipohl> please fetch last version from git 20:17:27 <dipohl> TheSnide: Concerning the "updates" category for the pending updates plugins. How about a new category "security" ? 20:19:16 <TheSnide> dipohl: actually, i don't have access to that account :-/ 20:19:46 <TheSnide> dipohl: so, i still need that ssm adds me to the list i can sudo to. 20:19:46 <dipohl> ssm is responsible? 20:20:16 <TheSnide> dipohl: yes. he said he'll be busy these days, so he might be slow to answer. 20:20:47 <dipohl> #action ssm should add TheSnide to the list of sudo users for an update of the gallery plugins 20:21:00 <TheSnide> #action ssm should add TheSnide to the list of sudo users for an update of the gallery plugins 20:21:48 <dipohl> TheSnide: Is the chair the only one who can give commands to the meetbot? 20:22:22 <dipohl> and I made an error in last #action 20:22:31 <TheSnide> #undo 20:22:31 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x123c710> 20:22:33 <dipohl> not gallery plugins but gallery _scripts_ 20:22:41 <TheSnide> yes, only chaif AFAIK 20:22:46 <TheSnide> chair 20:23:40 <dipohl> #action ssm should add TheSnide to the list of sudo users so that he can update the gallery scripts to recent version 20:24:50 <dipohl> TheSnide: Do you agree to the new category "security" and my proposal to move the plugins "yum", "apt" a.s.o. thereto? 20:26:03 <TheSnide> #action ssm should add TheSnide to the list of sudo users so that he can update the gallery scripts to recent version 20:26:13 <TheSnide> ok for security 20:26:22 <TheSnide> it feels better than "update" 20:26:36 <dipohl> fine :) 20:26:55 <TheSnide> --> less generic 20:27:12 <dipohl> but more generic than "yum" :) 20:27:15 <TheSnide> yup 20:27:44 <dipohl> What went wrong with the build today? 20:27:53 <TheSnide> trac ci hiccup 20:28:24 <TheSnide> 1 build did fail, due to failure in buildvm 20:28:36 <TheSnide> i relaunched it and it passed. 20:28:37 <dipohl> I checked the commit that you merged, but found no reason 20:28:44 <dipohl> i c 20:28:53 <TheSnide> happens sometimes. 20:29:06 <TheSnide> it happens much less than before. 20:29:55 <dipohl> do we have a check of POD contents, because I saw something that looks like this? 20:30:15 <dipohl> in the build protocol 20:30:27 <TheSnide> oh 20:30:53 <TheSnide> i think we launch the pod2man building 20:32:18 <dipohl> "t/critic.t ................. skipped: set TEST_POD to enable this test" 20:32:34 <dipohl> is it disabled always? 20:32:50 <TheSnide> no, there is a switch to enable it 20:33:09 <dipohl> "t/no-fixes.t ............... skipped: set TEST_POD to enable this test" 20:33:11 <TheSnide> but i admit that i don't know 20:33:23 <TheSnide> export TEST_POD=1 ? 20:33:26 <dipohl> "t/pod-spelling.t ........... skipped: set TEST_POD_SPELLING to enable this test" 20:33:46 <dipohl> it would be good to check the POD, because we have a lot of files with charset errors 20:38:05 <dipohl> Here the collection of broken POD pages: http://pastebin.com/EffxL0v4 20:39:45 <dipohl> #action The following plugins have POD pages with errors, likely because they need to be converted to utf8: http://pastebin.com/EffxL0v4 20:41:26 <dipohl> TheSnide: are you still here in the meeting? 20:56:29 <dipohl> .. 21:04:07 <dipohl> TheSnide: I started the scripts for contrib.git now and the first numbers are 21:04:29 <dipohl> 269 times POD page created 21:04:50 <dipohl> 727 times no POD content found 21:06:05 <dipohl> 245 categories found 21:07:44 <dipohl> so only every fourth referenced plugin portrait page will have content :( 21:08:09 <dipohl> ah every third page 21:09:25 <dipohl> I don't think that we will get a lot of acceptance from the user then unless we set a high-light / marker to plugin pages with content.. 21:19:58 <dipohl> .. 21:20:18 <TheSnide> dipohl: sorry, was away 21:21:11 <dipohl> I have one important issue 21:21:29 <TheSnide> dipohl: we need to have a way to offer some content even if no POD is found 21:21:40 <dipohl> It looks like the plugins in the /core-tree/ are not of high quality in every case 21:21:50 <TheSnide> maybe via comment parsing, the one that shows the env vars 21:22:02 <dipohl> I vote for a review in this tree also 21:22:23 <dipohl> and exclude / move old / less quality plugins to contrib tree 21:22:44 <TheSnide> we cant move plugins from core to contrib. 21:23:00 <dipohl> The plugins we distribute should meet a minimal standard 21:23:20 <TheSnide> better raise their level, than leave then out 21:23:27 <TheSnide> i know. but still. 21:23:59 <dipohl> I am sure there are plugins that nobody uses 21:24:30 <dipohl> will you continue to deliver those? 21:26:28 <m-r-b> * Bushmills@freenode is probably the person with those plugins nobody uses 21:27:38 <dipohl> e.g. https://github.com/munin-monitoring/munin/tree/devel/plugins/node.d.hp-ux 21:27:47 <dipohl> the measureware plugins 21:28:05 <dipohl> the author himself says they are "quick'n dirty" 21:28:11 <dipohl> no description 21:28:45 <dipohl> no autoconf capability 21:29:51 <dipohl> I would say we need a rating tool for the plugins 21:31:32 <dipohl> Bushmills: can you tell some examples? 21:32:11 <m-r-b> <Bushmills@freenode> lo-qual or medium-qual example? 21:32:18 <dipohl> lo-qual 21:32:25 <m-r-b> <Bushmills@freenode> let me check ... 21:34:51 <TheSnide> hmm, 21:35:20 <TheSnide> might work out 21:35:39 <TheSnide> have to go, will think more about i- 21:35:41 <TheSnide> it 21:35:52 <dipohl> ok. see you next week then :) 21:36:13 <dipohl> shall we make an entry to meetbot about this issue? 21:36:26 <dipohl> "plugin review" in core collection 21:36:31 <TheSnide> #action TheSnide will see how to increase signal to noise ratio of our plugins 21:36:43 <TheSnide> yup 21:36:54 <TheSnide> #endmeeting