15:00:08 <russdeffner> #startmeeting AWG Meeting November 9 15:00:08 <MeetBot> Meeting started Fri Nov 9 15:00:08 2018 UTC. The chair is russdeffner. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:08 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:18 <russdeffner> Hi all, to start - my apologies, know at least 1 person is waiting on Activator endorsement (course) feedback; I will get to it 15:01:29 <russdeffner> maybe this weekend, or next week for sure 15:01:48 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> Hi Russ 15:01:56 <russdeffner> we'll get started now, say hello to get noticed by bot 15:01:56 <hot_slack_bot> <p.ulbrich> Hi all 15:02:00 <russdeffner> Hi Ralph 15:02:07 <russdeffner> #topic Unfinished Business 15:02:24 <russdeffner> If you want to follow along, here is trello.... 15:02:44 <russdeffner> #Link AWG Trello: https://trello.com/b/ogU4Wjd6/hot-activation-wg 15:04:11 <russdeffner> looking at summary first... 15:04:23 <russdeffner> #Link Previous Meetings: https://trello.com/c/aG8SlkdK/22-previous-meeting-summaries 15:04:48 <hot_slack_bot> <kevin.b.haynes> Hello 15:05:24 <russdeffner> Hi Kevin, welcome 15:06:17 <russdeffner> It looks like most of these are longer-term items (imagery coordination, TM dev) 15:06:52 <russdeffner> I'll take care of one action item right now... 15:07:07 <russdeffner> #info Adding Mexico Flood response to wiki 15:08:15 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> As to progress regarding Imagery... I have been in contact with Nate to see how we can identify the dates of the imagery with a view to resolving the "latest" imagery problem. Unfortunately we can still only date the Bing imagery and there is no mechanism for dating any of the other three, DG Premium and Standard, ESRI. 15:09:30 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> Some of the PM,s have taken on board the problem and are asking that mapping is done to one imagery only. 15:10:14 <russdeffner> #info Imagery capture date issue currently unresolvable at scale, PM's will need to continue evaluated imagery per project 15:10:49 <russdeffner> ok, we can still explore the 'process' for requesting imagery/getting existing imagery uploaded to OAM/etc. 15:11:20 <russdeffner> but it's maybe better done asynchronously/outside this meeting until there is something to announce/discuss? 15:12:07 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> That would be very useful, getting the capture date at source appears to be the only option at the moment 15:13:50 <russdeffner> ok, before hitting the last item there, looking at Unfinished business card... 15:14:00 <russdeffner> #link Unfinished Business: https://trello.com/c/b2h8Is4D/30-unfinished-business 15:15:12 <russdeffner> The list and reporting is heavily tied into the current activations on the trello, which have just not made it into my work hours in a week or two 15:15:57 <russdeffner> If there is someone working on reporting role, would definitely be able to get some endorsements helping clean up 15:16:38 <russdeffner> I haven't tried to get stats or write any social media/blog/etc on any incidents since summer (northern hemi) 15:17:06 <russdeffner> so that's an area new folks could jump into pretty quick 15:18:06 <russdeffner> #commands 15:18:06 <MeetBot> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #rejected #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk 15:19:07 <russdeffner> #help looking for reporting role Activator (trainee welcome) to help with stats and maybe a project page on website for 2nd 1/2 2018 responses 15:20:41 <russdeffner> Moving on, I think we have the last 'unfinished items' as agenda items, so I think we'll skip to Disaster Capacity in the agenda... 15:21:10 <russdeffner> unless anyone had something to add here? 15:21:51 <russdeffner> #topic Disaster Mapping Capacity 15:22:04 <russdeffner> I put up the latest stats on the trello card... 15:22:27 <russdeffner> #link DMC: https://trello.com/c/t6YnIp4d/79-disaster-mapping-capacity 15:23:22 <russdeffner> we had quite a surge of people over the roughly month between looking at stats, 100+ new users/log-ins 15:23:38 <russdeffner> but still only a small percent completing any courses 15:24:02 <russdeffner> like 2% :) 15:24:23 <russdeffner> but the other 'big news'... 15:24:29 <russdeffner> Is Paul S. here? 15:25:15 <russdeffner> doesn't look like he's active on slack... 15:25:35 <russdeffner> anyway, Paul has some volunteer service hours through his work 15:26:09 <russdeffner> and has opted to focus on course content review/update 15:26:55 <russdeffner> so maybe with some general improvement to content/flow/ease of use/readability that retention rate will also improve 15:27:36 <russdeffner> #info Paul Stewart will be working with Russell Deffner for course content review and improvement 15:28:10 <russdeffner> but this also ties into the unfinished business item of Activation Protocol review 15:28:28 <russdeffner> Is Blake here? 15:28:44 <hot_slack_bot> <blake_hot> Hi 15:28:53 <russdeffner> Hey Blake 15:29:29 <russdeffner> I was just going to say I didn't think you've had time as I don't see any comments/suggestions regarding 'small response' 15:29:57 <russdeffner> but have you looked at what, if anything, would need changed in protocol to reduce burden there 15:30:18 <hot_slack_bot> <blake_hot> No I have not. But I will. Thank you for the heads up that’s a great place to look 15:31:05 <russdeffner> Ok, so we can leave that as 'longer term' as well, plus a general review of the protocol would not hurt at age 3 15:32:02 <russdeffner> anything else regarding protocol & curriculum (i.e. Disaster Mapping Capacity)? 15:32:20 <russdeffner> #action Activation Protocol Review 15:34:14 <russdeffner> I see Ralph typing... 15:34:49 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> I am preparing something to add later, not in Protocol 15:34:57 <hot_slack_bot> <russell.deffner> ok 15:35:08 <russdeffner> Let's move on then 15:35:23 <russdeffner> #topic Restrictive Editing 15:35:48 <russdeffner> This is something that is coming 'whether you like it or not' :) 15:36:24 <russdeffner> Not sure how this is going to play out, but thought it was important for us to be aware 15:36:44 <russdeffner> There's a new 'tool in the box' called MapRules 15:37:28 <russdeffner> The best info I have on it, is the talk from SotM-US... 15:37:39 <russdeffner> #link MapRules SotM-US: https://2018.stateofthemap.us/program/grossman-maprules.html 15:38:24 <russdeffner> And they are actively working on making it (an option) in the Tasking Manager 15:39:24 <russdeffner> Basic idea is that it feeds a 'preset' to iD and/or JOSM that 'limits' or at least warns users when they map something outside the 'scope' of the project 15:39:54 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> I have seen this in practice already. In iD Editor when you select bridge it automatically includes the layer=1 tag and culvert automatically includes the layer=-1 tag 15:39:55 <russdeffner> I really like the idea and have wanted something like this for a while 15:41:12 <russdeffner> oh, I hadn't seen it used/talked about for automatically adding things, but for instance - if it's a building project, it would 'deter' mapper from doing roads - as example 15:41:19 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> But this new thing is not in the general ethos of OpenStreetMap 15:41:58 <russdeffner> Exactly, and that's where I've heard push-back in the 'what, this is OSM - map anything' kind of spirit 15:42:44 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> Just to chime in quickly since I just happened to open the window. MapRules will would say "for this project in the TM, I only want to map primary and secondary roads", then for any user who has opened an editor from that project, if they map outside of those project rules, the issues will be flagged before you upload 15:43:21 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> it doesn't prevent you from uploading, it's a reminder about what the project was asking for 15:43:34 <russdeffner> yes, thanks for the clarification Matt 15:43:38 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> So it will not stop you from mapping... only warn you that it is not a part of this project? 15:43:52 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> it will warn you that that's not what the project asked for 15:44:13 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> That helps because in some cases they may need to move a road out the way to map a building 15:44:22 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> of course 15:45:30 <russdeffner> So, I'm actually excited to put it in practice; Matt any ETA on it? 15:45:55 <russdeffner> I mean I know it's out there, but when can I use it for disaster response? 15:46:39 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> Unsure of a set date, but we're working on it. It has to be integrated to iD editor and TM3, it was created with TM2 so there will need ot be some changes 15:47:05 <russdeffner> ah, that's probably what I missed not paying attention in TechWG yesterday :) 15:47:31 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> I would say that I understand this for disaster response but would not include it in Missing Maps and NGO projects and definitley not in teachOSM TM 15:49:35 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> I mean it's up to the discretion of the project manager. I actually think it might be useful in a teachOSM environment for instruction. "For this week we want to map just buildings" - or as just a reminder in a MM project to focus on what's being asked 15:50:30 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> the nice thing is it won't be required, just another tool to utilize 15:50:43 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> OK. As a discretion item for the PM makes a lot of sense 15:51:04 <russdeffner> I moved the card in trello to in progress, with a pending label - as reminder to follow progress 15:51:04 <hot_slack_bot> <giblet> it would be another tab in the `edit project` area 15:51:33 <russdeffner> look forward to it 15:51:49 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> I will add this to the Trello so we can follow on there. 15:52:00 <russdeffner> I have another meeting starting at the hour and need a few minutes to set up 15:52:04 <russdeffner> so... 15:52:18 <russdeffner> #action Follow progress on MapRules 15:52:27 <russdeffner> #topic Any Other Business 15:52:55 <hot_slack_bot> <r_aytoun> Not from me 15:52:56 <russdeffner> don't have time to go through all activations, so want to give a few minutes for anyone else to add items to follow-up on 15:53:47 <hot_slack_bot> <p.ulbrich> me neither, just glad to read you all again 15:54:36 <russdeffner> ok, thanks a bunch then everyone - we'll 'see' in a few weeks 15:55:07 <russdeffner> it is the day after thanksgiving here in the US, I should be available but will chime on #disaster-mapping if that changes 15:55:10 <hot_slack_bot> <p.ulbrich> :+1: 15:55:22 <russdeffner> #endmeeting