21:00:28 <larjona> #startmeeting 21:00:28 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Feb 29 21:00:28 2016 UTC. The chair is larjona. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:28 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:33 <larjona> Dear all, welcome to this Publicity team meeting! 21:00:44 <larjona> Agenda is here: 21:00:44 <larjona> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity/Meetings/2016-FebMar 21:00:47 <larjona> sorry 21:00:55 <moray> Hi 21:00:56 <larjona> Agenda is here: 21:00:56 <larjona> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity/Meetings/2016-02-29 21:00:59 <ana> hi 21:01:10 <cnote> Hello! 21:01:11 <larjona> First, as always, roll call meanwhile people is coming. Who's here? Say hello! 21:01:31 <adria> Hi there 21:01:40 <madduck> i won't be here long 21:02:28 * larjona curious to know if "a" from the framadate is here :) 21:03:34 <cnote> No takers of the nick. :( 21:03:41 <adria> That's me 21:04:08 <cnote> oh, hello and welcome then. :) 21:04:13 <ana> mistery solved =)( 21:04:16 <larjona> Ok, welcome everybody, if it's your first time and want to introduce yourself, perfect! 21:04:35 <larjona> lurking is also allowed :) 21:05:20 <larjona> #topic Welcome new members + Who is in the team? 21:05:57 <cnote> I pushed for this item on the agenda, may I speak toward it? 21:06:07 <larjona> go,cnote 21:06:44 <cnote> Generally we all idle in this channel and contribute where we can and obviously all contributions are welcome but it is difficult to say just how many members the team actually has. 21:07:07 <cnote> So if you consider yourself part of the team, wonder what your place is in the team, want to joint the team...please say so. 21:07:14 <cnote> lurkers included. :) 21:07:25 <larjona> #link We have this list: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity#Usual_roles 21:08:03 <larjona> ideally each team member edits the list to add/edit/remove their name and role 21:08:39 <moray> I used to be active in the team, and am considering to become more so again ... but I'm still very busy for the next week or two at least 21:09:14 <larjona> moray Is there any preferred channel you want to get involved? (DPN, bits, social networks...) 21:10:07 <cnote> and to add to that, submitting newsworthy links or pointing to news items does also count as being part of the team after all it is a contribution to the direction and items that we can report on. 21:10:48 <moray> larjona: not sure at the moment -- minimally I can help with English text preparation/proof-reading 21:10:58 <larjona> that's great moray 21:11:07 <cnote> Indeed! 21:11:15 <ana> awesome 21:11:34 <moray> but I don't have an up-to-date idea of where you need help :) 21:11:47 <ana> moray: everywhere ;) 21:11:58 <larjona> I'm active in the team and I feel more comfortable writing short stuff: social networks (pump.io and gnusocial, no twitter) or paragraphs for DPN. I'm available also for bits and announcements, but English proofreading of my writing is very appreciated from my side :) 21:12:53 <adria> Since I don't have much free time but I want to contribute to the community, I'm looking for short term tasks such as translations into Catalan or Spanish 21:13:51 <adria> That's the reason I translate some bits 21:14:33 <moray> adria: If you want to write content in Catalan/Spanish, I can also translate it to English... 21:14:56 <ana> moray: adria: you can teach each other :) 21:15:31 <adria> That's a good point. Once I have something to write... 21:16:35 <larjona> some of us put ideas in this file 21:16:39 <larjona> #link https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/publicity/dpn.git/tree/IDEAS 21:16:50 <larjona> (some word plus link) 21:17:11 <larjona> so others (or us, later) can transform them in microblogs, or paragraphs for DPN, or blogposts 21:17:54 <adria> Super 21:18:22 <larjona> Other people just throw here in the IRC channel their ideas, or write to the mailing list. I think that tracking the IDEAS file and mailing list can be enough 21:18:54 <larjona> Anybody else wants to say "I'm in the team"? 21:19:12 <cnote> Either are good. Sometimes the IRC ideas get more discussion, in the IDEAS file it's up to the person editing to decide to put it in or not. 21:20:46 <larjona> oh BTW pabs apologised, he could not attend. I suppose we can count with him as until now, providing ideas and curating many sources of info about Debian-related things 21:21:27 <larjona> boutil said he was here some hours ago but we postponed the meeting, maybe he could not make it now. 21:21:48 <cnote> It was nice seeing him pop in. 21:22:00 <larjona> Ok, let's move on? 21:22:23 <larjona> #topic DPN: How do we handle the footer? (Credits) 21:23:06 <cnote> <- 21:23:17 <larjona> go cnote 21:23:33 <cnote> This was me again. I wanted to make sure that we were giving credit where credit was due to those who had contributed to the current issue. 21:23:44 <cnote> Sometimes we can miss people and that is not fair to them. 21:23:59 <cnote> Like our first pass crew for example. 21:24:35 <cnote> So I wanted to ask everyone if they feel we should continue listing per issue, or have it listed as "Publicity Team with Contributions" 21:24:38 <cnote> Thoughts? 21:24:59 <ana> I like more the Publicity team or smething like the "debian community" 21:25:12 <larjona> If we are disciplined about "authorship" when committed, we could just gather the "author" fields of commits for each issue 21:25:33 <larjona> I think it's nice for new contributors to see their names there. 21:25:42 <cnote> I think the last issue stated: This issue of Debian Project News was edited by The Publicity Team. 21:25:44 <ana> larjona: it's always unfair, some people just review or point to a typo or do a quick commit or ... 21:27:51 <cnote> It's hard to catch all of the names sometime as well, it's easy to see who contributed a commit and adding a name but for the reviewers it's not so easy. 21:28:06 <cnote> s/adding their names/ 21:28:31 <adria> Maybe we can separate into tasks. I mean: contributor A wrote content, contributor B translated, and so 21:29:04 <larjona> what about "The Publicity Team and Contributors" and link to https://contributors.debian.org/source/publicity (once we get it running again)? 21:29:14 <adria> s/tasks/roles 21:30:00 <cnote> This issue of Debian Project News was edited by The Publicity Team with contributions from: user, user, user and user? 21:30:37 <ana> what about just hilight the people who is contributing for fist time? 21:31:29 <ana> first* 21:31:52 <larjona> ana: It's a nice idea. We could maintain a file CREDITS and check if somebody is not there, and sends news or commits, then credit in next DPN and add it to the list 21:32:10 <cnote> We can try that. 21:33:16 <cnote> ok 21:34:07 <cnote> We can move on 21:34:24 <larjona> I would propose #agreed We will make DPN footnote as: This issue of Debian Project News was edited by The Publicity Team with contributions from: user, user, user and user", being "users" thanked in their first contribution and then moved to a CREDITS file 21:34:33 <larjona> ok? 21:34:50 <cnote> Yes 21:34:57 <ana> we can work in the wording later 21:35:11 <larjona> #agreed We will make DPN footnote something like: This issue of Debian Project News was edited by The Publicity Team with contributions from: user, user, user and user", being "users" thanked in their first contribution and then moved to a CREDITS file 21:35:25 <larjona> ok, let's move on 21:35:34 <larjona> #topic DPN: Year in review special issue 21:37:13 <larjona> #link https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/publicity/dpn.git/tree/IDEAS-year-review << cnote started to ping people about a "year in review" contribution 21:37:27 <larjona> I don't know if we can make it for March 21:37:45 <cnote> I had thrown that idea out there some time ago because I thought it would be a nice way for the teams that don't get much press to get some time in front. It somewhat follows the What Do You Do? question we were asking of teams. 21:37:52 <cnote> I doubt March as well. 21:38:33 <cnote> But if the idea is solid we can send the notice of the BIG issue out to various teams who can blurb a quick paragraph about milestones or major changes they've done since last year. 21:39:05 <cnote> So far LTS (buxy) and HAM (irl) said they would contribute. So that is 2 out of a lot. :) 21:39:13 <cnote> Does the idea have merit? 21:39:50 <larjona> I like the idea, but publishing "year in review" far from February sounds strange for me. WHy not just "what do you do" as usual? I liked that too 21:39:53 <moray> I think it has merit for readers ... but maybe it will be more realistic to spread out the content over time? 21:40:26 <cnote> moray, what do you mean? 21:40:51 <moray> cnote: I meant, maybe it's not realistic to get all the teams' info ready for one special issue 21:41:06 <moray> as by the time some that have promised reply, others' contributions will be out-of-date :) 21:41:20 <cnote> ah. I think a realistic return would be perhaps 10 teams. 21:42:31 <cnote> I'm flexible on it either way, if it does not have merit or doesnt seem like it can pull a good amount of the teams for the one issue, then we can go back to pushing the what do you do series. 21:43:10 <moray> sure 21:44:18 <cnote> I'm done larjona, unless anyone else wants to talk on the topic? 21:44:25 <larjona> My proposal would be to try to post one team each month or something like that , in bits.debian.org, and maybe prepare some "year in review" microblogging for the first days of 2017 (make a call in end-November, generate a filller file as we do for the releases) 21:45:20 <cnote> That is a fair compromise. 21:45:43 <cnote> We could even lead up to it with the smaller bits posts and then the large one at the end/start of the year. 21:46:30 <larjona> yes, either a big post or a microblogging series can do. 21:46:46 <larjona> ok, move on? 21:46:51 <cnote> yes 21:46:58 <larjona> #topic #815689 www.debian.org: Show recent project news (not only announcements + security updates) on the homepage 21:47:31 <larjona> So now we have "News" (which is "announcements" in fact), and security RSS at frontpage 21:48:38 <cnote> I think pabs offered up a script that could pull information onto the front page. 21:48:49 <larjona> we have 3 issues here 21:49:45 <larjona> 1.- We're proposing rename "News" to "Announcements" and I'm not sure if that brings many headaches in the www side (there is a menu, a folder called News that has inside the announcements and the DPN which is in the "weekly" folder) (!!) 21:50:08 <larjona> 2.- We were talking about adding the DPN summary in frontpage 21:50:36 <larjona> 3.- We could use pabs' script to try to add the identi.ca feed, but that one would be only in English 21:51:13 <moray> I'm not sure what pabs's script does, but it makes more sense to me to add individual announcements, not whole issues of DPN as news items 21:52:06 <cnote> moray, I think the script pulls only from the social media sources we use. So its content would appear in the new "news" section. 21:52:13 <moray> ok 21:52:24 <larjona> the script retrieves the info from https://identi.ca/debian, we could just post the titles and links to the notes 21:53:05 <larjona> The DPN RSS feed is the other option, but right now, it's repetitive (names of the sections), that's why I said "the summary" instead of the RSS. But we could fix that too 21:53:13 <larjona> (fix the RSS, I mean) 21:53:46 <moray> right 21:54:34 <cnote> In choosing between the two I'd go with the identi.ca feed because it's more current than the DPN can be and the quick news bits are actually news that is current. 21:54:51 <cnote> A link the the DPN in the bottom of the 'news' section would be sufficient, in my opinion. 21:55:16 <cnote> s/the/to the 21:55:25 <ana> I would like to see a section that includes -news, -d-announce, and -announce from the mailing lists, bits and identi.ca 21:55:44 <ana> just puttng an small icon next to the item to identify the origin 21:56:06 <ana> but maybe I'm asking too much 21:56:11 <larjona> Bits.debian.org articles are published in identi.ca, announcements too, and DPN we still didn't decide. So publishing the identi.ca feed 'should' cover everything, but with no translations 21:56:30 <cnote> ahh yes the translations issue. 21:56:46 <cnote> Well the links from the front page to identi isnt translated. 21:56:48 <ana> I think it's ok, even duplicated 21:57:21 <ana> it's a way of announcing what's going on, people can later pick up their fav channels and follow it 21:57:33 <ana> it's not like people is looking at debian.org everyday ^^ 21:58:14 <larjona> Ok so identi.ca feed + 1 link to the last DPN issue? 21:58:33 <cnote> I think it would be a nice start and not too disruptive. 21:58:58 <ana> it's a start 21:59:00 <larjona> I can try to work on it in a page under /News, and once we get it working we can push it to the frontpage 21:59:01 <cnote> If www doesn't mind, we can then expand it to showcase other areas/links like ana suggested. 21:59:54 <larjona> cnote I think the correct way to do it is just to post in identi.ca from those links, maybe in an automated way, same as we do with "News"and "bits.debian.org" 22:00:39 <cnote> ok 22:00:48 <larjona> ah, just note: the website is built several times a day, and the frontpage I'm not sure if several times a day or just once a day unless triggered... 22:01:12 <larjona> I mean, it will not be "instant news" 22:01:31 <larjona> instant -> flash 22:01:38 <larjona> flash ->breaking news 22:01:44 <larjona> well you understand 22:01:55 <cnote> It doesnt need to be constantly refreshed content or instant...unless pabs script does indeed update immediately. But as long as the front page...the first impression...of Debian is current it serves a purpose. 22:02:23 <cnote> has a current event or item I mean 22:02:48 <larjona> Ok, I'll try to put time in this, and report to the bug CC publicity 22:03:12 <larjona> anything else about this topic? 22:03:35 <cnote> nay 22:03:47 <larjona> #topic Plans for short future (let's say here -> DebConf) 22:06:03 <cnote> Announce DC17 Location. 22:07:26 <larjona> My plans are keeping putting time here and in the website team. I see some areas overlap (we just talked about that, and there is also the /users part that could use some revamp similar to what we were talking when the "Debian in the Field" posts, and also tracking the changes/renewals of other sections and reporting in our publicity channels...) I dream with a team sprint together with the website team :) 22:07:53 <ana> dc17 is already kind of announced 22:08:10 <ana> probably it's better this way until a more proper announcement with dates is done later in the year 22:08:23 <ana> we shouldn't shadow now dc16 22:08:51 <moray> The announcement is more interesting to people once there are dates, a venue etc. yes 22:09:02 <larjona> I would post a dent linking to debian-devel-announce 22:09:33 <cnote> I am about to tweet and identi it, but didn't want to clutter the meeting. 22:09:39 <cnote> It can wait a moment. 22:11:32 <larjona> ok anything else for the meeting? 22:11:33 <cnote> Other stuff is the upcoming point release...but that's just an email and our standard media channels. 22:11:55 <cnote> oh 22:12:31 <cnote> How about a self interview? Publicity team what do you do? It may be a way to let other teams and members in Debian know what we do and how to handle and use the services we offer. 22:12:38 <cnote> Aka BITS :) 22:14:13 <larjona> works for me, but frankly I would prefer to publish first the other teams that said yes 22:15:04 <cnote> yes of course. 22:15:41 <larjona> ok let's end the meeting? I'll try to call for next meeting in April (after Easter). 22:15:48 <cnote> ok 22:15:57 <larjona> Thanks everybody for attending 22:15:59 <larjona> ah 22:16:04 <moray> Thanks 22:16:07 <larjona> cheese and wine for you, just a moment... 22:16:16 <larjona> _ 22:16:16 <larjona> |-| 22:16:16 <larjona> |~| 22:16:16 <larjona> |:| WINE AND CHEESE 22:16:16 <larjona> .'.'. 22:16:18 <larjona> / ::\ 22:16:19 <larjona> |_____| __ _ 22:16:22 <larjona> |:.:;.| <:__:> .-'o\ 22:16:23 <larjona> |_____| \ ::/ .o' O. o\ 22:16:26 <larjona> | ::| '..' |--o.--o--| 22:16:28 <larjona> | ;:| || |._._o_._.| 22:16:31 <larjona> \_____/ .''. 22:16:32 <larjona> '----' pjb 22:16:39 <larjona> #endmeeting