20:00:05 #startmeeting 20:00:05 Meeting started Wed Jan 28 20:00:05 2026 UTC. The chair is waldi. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:12 \o 20:00:13 hi 20:00:19 #chair bwh carnil ukleinek 20:00:19 Current chairs: bwh carnil ukleinek waldi 20:00:21 o/ 20:00:22 Hi 20:00:32 welcome to todays meeting 20:00:43 anything we should discuss first? 20:01:23 i did not manage to talk to the installer people about kernel-wedge and so on 20:01:32 Do we want to discuss meeting at FOSDEM? 20:01:59 i wont come, family managed to nmi 20:02:14 ok, then it's only bwh and me 20:02:24 Then we can discuss that 1:1 20:02:29 +1 20:03:28 if we have nothing else to discuss, let's look at some glorious bugs 20:03:37 jupp 20:03:40 #topic #1124400 20:04:04 here we don't need to do anything, just wait for dracut upstream 20:04:18 Is there a URL we can add as forwarded to? 20:04:33 Oh, yes there is, so I'll do that 20:04:42 should be https://github.com/dracut-ng/dracut-ng/issues/2071 20:05:11 #topic #1123750 20:05:28 I' 20:05:31 also applied to stable, so will show up with the next update 20:05:33 I've just marked that pending 20:05:53 #topic #1124463 20:05:54 I think that is released upstream, but note there were I think two more commits queued by Greg (today?) 20:06:17 carnil: Correct but I think they are independent fixes 20:06:33 we have more poeple here reporting this, mostly a one time occurence, there is a patch proposed upstream which Sundip wants to submit: 20:06:33 sort of 20:06:46 https://lore.kernel.org/all/CADVatmNzTyUAr8UBvm6pHFsKz8xZpqUXh5NQR641JXsCWaPg8g@mail.gmail.com/ 20:07:15 bwh: ack 20:07:32 s/Sundip/Sudip/ 20:07:48 waldi: so I think we have to wait on some progress here 20:08:01 but bad thing is that people are mostly not able to reproduce after seeing the issue 20:08:59 Then we should tag it as unreproducible, shouldn't we? 20:09:59 I've now done that 20:10:08 good 20:10:09 #topic #1125001 20:10:13 okay 20:10:40 #action ukleinek will look into src for #1124463 20:10:46 I only see a contentless mail from the submitter since last week 20:10:57 I suppose that is a ping 20:11:19 yes a ping to upstream 20:11:29 nothing to do for us 20:11:33 upstream as in debian-loongarch? 20:11:42 I asked earlier that they properly submit the patches upstream, since we won't pick them otherwise 20:12:57 Binbin Zhou (from the vendor) was only Cc:d in #19, but not the pings 20:13:29 ah then the ping was probably wrong, or just an intent to make a wider audience 20:14:11 #topic #1125405 20:14:54 patch under discussion it seems 20:14:55 I can keep the action here, there is problem identified (and bisected/confirmed) and a upstream thread with patch (but not landed yet in mainline) 20:15:00 I just added the patch tag to this 20:15:55 but we have to wait for mainline to agree on the correct patch 20:15:57 carnil: thanks for providing images 20:16:40 #topic #1125980 20:17:13 the submitter was asked if they could try to bisect upstream 20:17:49 so nothing to do right now 20:18:08 * ukleinek nods 20:18:37 #topic #1126015 20:19:18 bwh understood the issue 20:19:24 and patch is waiting 20:19:36 #topic #1126090 20:20:00 seems like this one is broken since 3.16 20:20:18 That's a long time ago 20:20:28 should we remove the moreinfo here since reporter followed up, even if information is bit scarce? 20:21:08 OK 20:21:27 forward upstream? 20:21:38 Yes I think this should be forwarded upstream 20:22:15 I think I should be able to perform that task, can do 20:22:32 #action carnil to forward #1126090 20:22:39 (we have a full kernel log as well in the previous message, that should help to make the proper report) 20:23:07 66fa12c571d35e3cd62574c65f1785a460105397 removed the raw1394 stuff 20:23:45 Yes the whole firewire stack was rewritten then 20:24:08 v2.6.37-rc1~131^2 from Sun Oct 10 00:12:20 2010 +0200 20:24:19 I seem to remember some headaches for video team 20:25:10 #action ukleinek looks into the stacktrace of #1126090 20:25:22 #topic #1126149 20:26:00 patch that enables a quirk available for testing 20:26:01 32 = EPIPE!? 20:26:59 reporter has the action 20:27:12 right 20:27:32 #topic #1126433 20:27:44 yes, I mean I'm not sure htis is the correct solution, but there is a similar reported issue which got fixed this way. If the reporter confirms I plan to forward it to upstream 20:28:10 this one is new, but a bit sparse, no log at all 20:28:37 if plugging in an usb device doesn't result in lsusb changing and nothing in dmesg, the device is broken?! 20:29:12 (or the usb bus) 20:29:26 It's possible there was some USB core change that affected this specific device 20:29:44 anyway, I agree we should have a log from the broken kernel 20:30:01 I can ask for that 20:30:19 #action bwh to ask for log in #1126433 20:30:36 #topic #1111011 20:30:40 the binary bug… 20:31:35 submitter was asked to test with 6.18 20:31:56 ..ooOO(0b1111011 = 123, bad password) 20:31:58 my 2 cents: where do you still find 100BASE-TX networks? 20:31:58 right, and we are still waiting for that, so no action from us 20:32:23 * carnil nods 20:32:28 i would never assume a reasonable current device would run stable with that 20:32:30 ah, I imagined this to be a wifi device 20:32:57 anyway 20:32:58 #topic #1124756 20:33:33 ukleinek: Realtek makes both 100s of subtly different Wi-Fi controllers, *and* 100s of subtly different Ethernet controllers 20:33:50 that's strange, as Werner Sembach pointed out the two affected machines are very different 20:34:27 bwh: "100s of subtly different controllers" is the only common thing? :-D 20:35:09 reporter missed to answer my questions about the freeze 20:35:23 So maybe the trigger for the hang is some user-space application, not a driver big 20:35:26 *bug 20:35:37 #action ukleinek hints reporter of #1124756 that there are still open questions 20:35:41 but a device from last year runs stable on the oldstable kernel 20:36:00 more likely missing a lot of stuff 20:36:22 #topic #1125155 20:36:42 there was a log provided 20:36:43 🙄 20:37:25 ah good, removing the moreinfo tag 20:38:30 we had a couple of amdgpu related such issues, I can with the full log try to map/match against the older ones 20:38:34 but other ideas more than welcome 20:38:55 user should as well at least update to 6.12.63-1 20:39:30 I have no better ideas 20:39:34 I've been doing very low level debug work with amdgpu recently for a couple of firmware related issues; I'll take a look 20:40:13 there are two messages `[drm] Initialized amdgpu 3.61.0` for two different pci devices. is that expected? 20:40:17 iam_tj[m]: \o/ 20:41:25 It looks like it make be a Crossfire setup; 0f:00.0 reports no CRTCs 20:41:35 s/make/may/ 20:41:55 #action iam to take a look at #1125155 20:42:41 #topic #1126156 20:42:52 what is recovery mode? 20:43:02 iam_tj[m]: 0f:00.0 is an on-board device and 03:00.0 is a dGPU 20:44:02 bwh: yes, just spotted that, possibly an APU 20:44:22 ukleinek: Presumably the (recovery) option in the GRUB menu 20:44:48 something that does not load some graphics stuff i would assume 20:45:06 blacklisting the i915 might give insights 20:45:32 It won't disable loading graphics, but it will not start the display manager 20:45:37 (boah, the lspci output on current systems is soooo long) 20:45:54 so, just fbcon and not a compositor actually using the GPU 20:46:17 `blacklist microcode` in modprobe.conf, is that a sane idea? 20:46:49 The microcode loader is built-in so who cares 20:47:08 ok 20:47:47 also testing kernels between linux-image-6.1.0-41-amd64 and linux-image-6.12.57+deb13-amd64 would be helpful 20:47:58 yes I was about to say that 20:48:43 * ukleinek doesn't want to take more action with fosdem upcomming and my slides not being complete yet 20:48:52 #action bwh will ask reporter of 1126156 to bisect 20:49:07 thx 20:49:22 #topic #1126280 20:50:22 Just noticed the submitter's domain 20:50:23 need the whole reportbug treatment 20:50:29 are we lacking more detailed information on their application to actually do something here? 20:50:30 yes, me too 20:50:34 is it not better suited to upstream? 20:50:54 yes I think this belongs on linux-rt-users (I think that's the list) 20:51:00 ack 20:51:02 sadly i can't longer look, but i have a hunch 20:51:17 #action bwh will redirect 1126280 to linux-rt-users 20:51:22 thx 20:51:30 #topic #1126410 20:52:11 ah, I promised to look into that, but failed up to now, I can keep the action 20:52:32 #action ukleinek to look at #1126410 20:52:46 * ukleinek ctrl-u's what he just typed 20:53:01 (as waldi did the same an was quicker) 20:53:08 #topic #1126499 20:53:36 new bug 20:53:43 smells like a race condition 20:53:57 briefly looked at this today to see if there is a upstream issue about it, found nothing so far, but was really just a brief loock 20:54:04 test 6.18, forward upstream? 20:54:12 right 20:54:16 yes sound sensible 20:54:23 yeah, I would expect that uptream understoods that quickly 20:54:29 * carnil raised hand if there is no other volunteer 20:54:48 #topic carnil to handle #1126499 20:54:53 #action carnil to handle #1126499 20:55:01 #topic #1126431 20:55:06 this is clear i think 20:55:08 just marked this pending 20:55:12 thx 20:55:14 #topic AoB 20:55:25 this brings us to the end. anything else? 20:56:03 * ukleinek shakes head 20:56:12 (apart from needed a chair for next week) 20:56:12 Re firmware-nonfree, I have pinged kathara and in any case will make an update by Sunday at the latest 20:56:14 re linux vs dractut and unstable upload: as release-team blocked linux migration rightfully until dracut migrates to testing I have not done the promised 6.18.7-1 upload, so likely wait now for 6.18.8 instead 20:56:33 okay 20:56:57 and i completely forgot about SIGPIPE, again. it's such a weird error 20:57:06 who wants to chair next week=? 20:57:07 does newer linux need dracut > 109-5? 20:57:12 I think it's my turn again 20:57:30 #action bwh to chair next week 20:57:35 thank you all for coming 20:57:43 thank you for chairing 20:57:47 #endmeeting