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[20:00:25] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic going over Squeeze release goals<br />
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[20:01:04] &lt;bubulle&gt; OK, folks, the point is *quickly* going through all release goals to see what has been going on on them<br />
[20:01:42] &lt;bubulle&gt; I'll mention all of them with the person in charge, please give us some mention of how it is going on (or not)<br />
[20:01:47] &lt;bubulle&gt; Persistent device naming for disks: cjwatson <br />
[20:01:54] &lt;bubulle&gt; not sure if Colin is around<br />
[20:02:38] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: persistent device naming for disks<br />
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[20:02:53] &lt;bubulle&gt; well, we'll need to move to another one,then...:)<br />
[20:03:06] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Find replacement for the ISC DHCP client in d-i<br />
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[20:03:33] &lt;bubulle&gt; waldi: the SqueezeGoals page mentions "needs activating udhcpc in busybox"<br />
[20:03:35] &lt;waldi&gt; udhcpc seems to work fine. enabled in the next busybox upload. needs a script in netconf<br />
[20:03:52] &lt;bubulle&gt; planned when?<br />
[20:03:56] &lt;bubulle&gt; (the upload)<br />
[20:04:12] &lt;waldi&gt; when i get around it<br />
[20:04:26] &lt;bubulle&gt; anything we can do for it?<br />
[20:04:28] &lt;waldi&gt; not unti, fryday<br />
[20:04:33] &lt;luk&gt; s/netconf/netcfg/ ?<br />
[20:04:38] &lt;waldi&gt; yes<br />
[20:04:53] &lt;bubulle&gt; anyone volunterring for the changes in netcfg?<br />
[20:05:12] &lt;luk&gt; I can have a look<br />
[20:05:18] &lt;bubulle&gt; #url http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals<br />
[20:05:36] &lt;bubulle&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals<br />
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[20:05:39] &lt;waldi&gt; luk: the busyox source contains an example script<br />
[20:05:44] &lt;bubulle&gt; (that's for the meetbot report)<br />
[20:05:49] &lt;luk&gt; waldi: tnx<br />
[20:06:00] &lt;otavio&gt; :)<br />
[20:06:30] &lt;bubulle&gt; #agreed luk volunteers for netcfg changes for udhcpc and waldi plans upload for busybox with udhcpc activated<br />
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[20:06:54] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals:Switch from console-data to console-setup<br />
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[20:07:01] &lt;bubulle&gt; youpi: any move on that one?<br />
[20:07:50] &lt;bubulle&gt; well, he's not around apparently. We'll come back on this one if he pops up<br />
[20:08:08] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Add ext4 support<br />
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[20:08:19] &lt;bubulle&gt; would need input from cjwatson...<br />
[20:08:27] &lt;otavio&gt; We have few pending issues from Parted side<br />
[20:08:29] &lt;bubulle&gt; otavio: maybe you have a summary?<br />
[20:08:40] &lt;otavio&gt; The main blocker for it is at Parted side now<br />
[20:09:12] &lt;bubulle&gt; otavio: so who's is goind to look at this? You?<br />
[20:09:24] &lt;otavio&gt; I'm looking forward for our parted release in near future (I'm not talking with Parted RM hat on) <br />
[20:09:39] &lt;bubulle&gt; who's also involved in parted?<br />
[20:09:41] &lt;otavio&gt; It should happen soon but we're still solving few remaining bugs.<br />
[20:09:48] &lt;otavio&gt; bubulle: At Debian?<br />
[20:10:01] &lt;bubulle&gt; yep<br />
[20:10:27] &lt;bubulle&gt; svenl, otavio, xoswald and waldi are listed as uploaders<br />
[20:10:44] &lt;bubulle&gt; last upload, hmmmm, dec 2008<br />
[20:11:32] &lt;bubulle&gt; #511224 seems to be the blocker, right?<br />
[20:11:53] &lt;bubulle&gt; needs someone to apply cjwatson patch and upload<br />
[20:12:35] &lt;bubulle&gt; #511207 is done<br />
[20:13:13] &lt;bubulle&gt; and #511121 (grub) also needs to be adressed<br />
[20:13:36] &lt;bubulle&gt; otavio: so we need to push parted maintainers to at least fix #511224. OK?<br />
[20:13:59] &lt;otavio&gt; bubulle: yes... <br />
[20:14:06] &lt;bubulle&gt; will you?<br />
[20:14:24] * otavio at phone<br />
[20:14:41] &lt;bubulle&gt; ok, feel free to come back on it when ready<br />
[20:14:57] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Finish last bits of UdebSupport (udeb transition)<br />
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[20:15:00] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk?<br />
[20:15:34] &lt;luk&gt; all udeb library dependencies seem to be taken care of<br />
[20:16:07] &lt;luk&gt; dependencies for postinsts will not be a problem<br />
[20:16:38] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: is the wiki page up-to-date?<br />
[20:16:45] &lt;bubulle&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/UdebSupport<br />
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[20:17:00] &lt;luk&gt; almost, I'll do a last change to update it<br />
[20:17:23] &lt;bubulle&gt; ok<br />
[20:17:28] &lt;bubulle&gt; anything else to add?<br />
[20:17:52] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: ?<br />
[20:17:55] &lt;luk&gt; no, not atm<br />
[20:18:09] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images<br />
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[20:18:16] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: around?<br />
[20:18:27] &lt;bubulle&gt; or tbm maybe?<br />
[20:19:18] &lt;bubulle&gt; none of them around (sigh)<br />
[20:19:37] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: General cleanup<br />
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[20:19:46] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: you made a few proposals...<br />
[20:20:25] &lt;luk&gt; well I wanted to see if we maybe could drop some of the code, so it did not need a cleanup at all :-)<br />
[20:20:51] &lt;luk&gt; it seems the m68k modules package is the only one atm<br />
[20:21:19] &lt;luk&gt; and sysconfig-writer could be renamed<br />
[20:21:27] &lt;bubulle&gt; at least that makes on<br />
[20:21:29] &lt;bubulle&gt; one<br />
[20:21:47] &lt;bubulle&gt; ok, that seems to be the only thing that happened for that goal, right?<br />
[20:22:07] &lt;luk&gt; sarge-support should maybe moved to history section in doc or something like that?<br />
[20:22:12] &lt;luk&gt; yes<br />
[20:22:28] * bubulle OK to move sarge-support, yes.<br />
[20:22:59] &lt;bubulle&gt; I don't remember the exact point of it, indeed. Don't we need an etch-support pkg or is this something that's now obsolete?<br />
[20:23:40] &lt;bubulle&gt; otavio: ack for moving sarge-support out of packages/?<br />
[20:23:44] &lt;luk&gt; we have etch-support, but sarge-support has more content, so might be interesting as an example<br />
[20:24:32] &lt;luk&gt; I would move it in installer/doc/devel/historic<br />
[20:25:11] &lt;bubulle&gt; #agreed Move sarge-support to another place<br />
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[20:25:34] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Improve support for Intel-based Apple MacBook systems; current support is a bit of a kludge and needs restructuring<br />
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[20:25:42] &lt;bubulle&gt; -->skipped as no cjwatson around<br />
[20:25:55] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Allow selecting disks with GRUB with multiple controllers<br />
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[20:26:00] &lt;bubulle&gt; Ryan52: around?<br />
[20:26:25] &lt;zumbi&gt; hi<br />
[20:26:57] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: ah....we'll come back on one of your "babies" soon..:-)<br />
[20:27:04] &lt;bubulle&gt; no Ryan52 around...<br />
[20:27:14] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images<br />
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[20:27:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: that one<br />
[20:27:45] &lt;bubulle&gt; any progress on this? Something happened? Something has to happen?<br />
[20:28:06] &lt;zumbi&gt; hi<br />
[20:28:42] &lt;zumbi&gt; i tried, but i am on the phase of modifying get-source-debs or whatever is called, it is under util scripts<br />
[20:29:05] &lt;zumbi&gt; i need to hack it so it pulls right arch debs<br />
[20:29:40] &lt;zumbi&gt; i am not sure yet if d-i wants those packages to be installed, i guess no<br />
[20:30:17] &lt;luk&gt; what packages?<br />
[20:30:18] &lt;zumbi&gt; so, WIP, no hurry and no much time<br />
[20:30:23] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: care to do some summary in the mailing list? All this is somthing I'm really ignorant about and I wouldn't want to summarize things the wrong way<br />
[20:30:45] &lt;zumbi&gt; sure<br />
[20:30:46] &lt;bubulle&gt; so, let's say WIP, then..-)<br />
[20:30:55] &lt;zumbi&gt; ok<br />
[20:31:14] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Try to get some issues in libparted fixed (otavio)<br />
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[20:31:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; still on phone? :-)<br />
[20:31:28] &lt;bubulle&gt; #406680, #328629, #377263<br />
[20:32:47] &lt;luk&gt; next please<br />
[20:32:49] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Add PlayStation 3 support <br />
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[20:33:01] &lt;bubulle&gt; wart, zumbi: ?<br />
[20:33:29] &lt;bubulle&gt; grmbl<br />
[20:33:33] &lt;zumbi&gt; hi<br />
[20:33:48] &lt;zumbi&gt; i did take a look to latest petitboot<br />
[20:34:00] &lt;zumbi&gt; i still have to send some comments to geoff- <br />
[20:34:23] &lt;zumbi&gt; and packaging petitboot is something nasty<br />
[20:34:47] &lt;zumbi&gt; at least if we, in Debian, do not have uclibc, which we are currently working on it<br />
[20:35:07] &lt;bubulle&gt; ok, so in some way, this is WIP as well?<br />
[20:35:20] &lt;zumbi&gt; so probably this is going to take some time, and I need to agree some mid-hack with wart<br />
[20:35:29] &lt;waldi&gt; uclibc have license problems<br />
[20:35:35] &lt;zumbi&gt; bubulle: this is WIP but it is a long-term WIP<br />
[20:35:41] &lt;zumbi&gt; waldi: not anymore<br />
[20:36:11] &lt;zumbi&gt; waldi: we work with uclibc, busybox upstream, so that gets things easier<br />
[20:36:28] &lt;zumbi&gt; waldi: Gyrosgeier has more bits on uclibc<br />
[20:36:51] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: Extend accessibility support<br />
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[20:37:01] &lt;bubulle&gt; youpi: is apparently not around so let's skip<br />
[20:37:13] &lt;bubulle&gt; same for "Split the initrd into three"<br />
[20:37:34] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Suqeeze release goals: Don't forget reinstating translation for grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy and grub-installer/grub_not_mature_on_this_platform<br />
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[20:37:58] &lt;bubulle&gt; that's for me but I need to prod grub2 maintainers about these templates still being useful or not<br />
[20:38:33] &lt;bubulle&gt; I propose not going any longer in the release goals list. Others are wishlist only<br />
[20:38:44] &lt;luk&gt; I removed one item about pxe file renaming in favour of franklin's solution<br />
[20:39:04] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals<br />
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[20:39:17] &lt;zumbi&gt; bubulle: you can drop the choosing bootloader, that can come again when we gain mtd support<br />
[20:39:58] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: hmmm, choosing bootlader has already been dropped after last meeting..:)<br />
[20:39:59] &lt;zumbi&gt; i also did some reading on ipv6, which i better write a summary to ML<br />
[20:40:16] &lt;bubulle&gt; Yoe: ^^^<br />
[20:40:42] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: OK, I'll add a mention that you did some research on this, in the RG list, then<br />
[20:41:22] &lt;bubulle&gt; I think we're over release goals.<br />
[20:41:30] &lt;bubulle&gt; Let's see next topics:<br />
[20:41:37] &lt;bubulle&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings<br />
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[20:41:46] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic d-i.debian.org<br />
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[20:41:55] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: what's the current status?<br />
[20:42:21] &lt;luk&gt; it currently has http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/build-logs.html<br />
[20:42:39] &lt;luk&gt; and the dailies from about half of the arches<br />
[20:42:52] &lt;luk&gt; it's still waiting for you to move l10n-sync :-)<br />
[20:43:05] &lt;luk&gt; and to get content on some home page<br />
[20:43:23] &lt;luk&gt; and maybe some other content that could be moved/added?<br />
[20:43:51] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: maybe link the build logs from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller?<br />
[20:44:07] &lt;bubulle&gt; move l10n-sync, yes I know.<br />
[20:44:17] * bubulle needs time for this..:)<br />
[20:45:35] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: are there other arches for which the dailies could go to d-i.d.o?<br />
[20:46:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; I see that armel and i386 are done under joeyh's account and sparc under stappers'<br />
[20:46:27] &lt;luk&gt; all of them could go there, just needs some coordination with the people doing the dailies<br />
[20:46:35] &lt;otavio&gt; heck! was a client on phone :(<br />
[20:46:37] &lt;otavio&gt; sorry<br />
[20:46:53] &lt;bubulle&gt; otavio: you'll have to go through the backlog..:-)<br />
[20:47:35] &lt;luk&gt; bubulle: also ia64 done by dannf and s390 currently not done?<br />
[20:47:41] &lt;bubulle&gt; dannf: ia64 dailies are done under your account. Maybe coordinate with luk to move them under the d-i.d.o umbrella?<br />
[20:48:05] &lt;waldi&gt; the machine who did the s390 images is broken, i trashed the raid<br />
[20:48:49] &lt;bubulle&gt; any planned revival from the deads?<br />
[20:48:54] &lt;otavio&gt; about the sarge-support I'm ok about moving but but not for installer/doc or it will be add in tarball <br />
[20:48:56] &lt;dannf&gt; luk, bubulle: ok - just me know what i need to change<br />
[20:49:03] &lt;waldi&gt; only revival from the dasds<br />
[20:50:04] * youpi back<br />
[20:50:09] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: anything more you see about d-i.d.o?<br />
[20:50:25] &lt;bubulle&gt; youpi: ah, we'll quickly come back on your release goals, then<br />
[20:50:28] &lt;luk&gt; no, the rest is in a latter point<br />
[20:50:34] &lt;otavio&gt; luk: btw, thanks by mocing d-i.d.o ahead!<br />
[20:50:42] &lt;luk&gt; np<br />
[20:50:45] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Squeeze release goals: improving accessibility<br />
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[20:50:50] &lt;bubulle&gt; youpi: ^^<br />
[20:51:00] &lt;youpi&gt; well, actually there's not much news :)<br />
[20:51:09] &lt;youpi&gt; I've been busy with other stuff<br />
[20:51:33] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: what is your plan about it? When you plan to have focus on it again?<br />
[20:51:48] &lt;youpi&gt; well, not right now as our lab has burnt so we have other priorities<br />
[20:51:51] * otavio is in a bit of hurry today... sorry<br />
[20:51:56] &lt;youpi&gt; but a few weeks after that, yes<br />
[20:52:12] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: burnt?<br />
[20:52:16] &lt;youpi&gt; yes, like on fire<br />
[20:52:18] &lt;youpi&gt; :/<br />
[20:52:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; ok, np...the point is mostly keeping topics alive...:)<br />
[20:52:21] &lt;bubulle&gt; ouch<br />
[20:52:25] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: oh my<br />
[20:52:31] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: everyone is fine?<br />
[20:52:36] &lt;youpi&gt; yes, it was at 3 am<br />
[20:52:41] &lt;youpi&gt; no PhD was still there at the time<br />
[20:52:44] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: oh :(<br />
[20:53:03] &lt;bubulle&gt; youpi: I'd guess nothing else to add about Console-setup switch?<br />
[20:53:10] &lt;youpi&gt; no more news indeed<br />
[20:53:12] &lt;otavio&gt; youpi: quite sad news. Yep, we come back to it when you're more free <br />
[20:53:51] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic cleaning out DebianInstaller/Today<br />
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[20:54:01] &lt;otavio&gt; Folks ... It is quite bad but I need to leave <br />
[20:54:02] &lt;bubulle&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today<br />
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[20:54:22] &lt;luk&gt; cu otavio<br />
[20:54:37] &lt;bubulle&gt; As of now we only have one topic "active" in "Today", a very old one.<br />
[20:54:49] &lt;bubulle&gt; "Installer doesn't start on mips and mipsel (445507) - there is a workaround in place for this issue though"<br />
[20:55:23] &lt;bubulle&gt; but I'm not sure if many people are following this..:-(<br />
[20:55:44] &lt;bubulle&gt; we currently don't have "bad" reports as far as I'm able to see<br />
[20:56:01] &lt;zumbi&gt; p2-mate: ^^^<br />
[20:57:16] &lt;bubulle&gt; Well apparently nothing mor eto add<br />
[20:57:28] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk: I think we went through "how to do dailies centralised"?<br />
[20:58:09] &lt;luk&gt; I think it would be best to make the dailies autobuilt via the normal way<br />
[20:58:25] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic centralize dailies<br />
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[20:58:44] &lt;luk&gt; aka having a real package that gets binNMUed every day if it has not been changed and uploaded otherwise<br />
[20:59:13] &lt;luk&gt; this would make sure it gets built centrally<br />
[20:59:30] &lt;luk&gt; it would not harm the buildd by running in parallel<br />
[20:59:35] &lt;bubulle&gt; and thus buyilt on autobuilders?<br />
[20:59:40] &lt;luk&gt; it would solve the issue of outdated build environments<br />
[20:59:54] &lt;luk&gt; or at least get it to the same level as the buildds<br />
[21:00:05] &lt;luk&gt; yes<br />
[21:00:32] &lt;bubulle&gt; again, that needs someone to jump on it and do this. That can't always be luk..:-)<br />
[21:00:58] &lt;luk&gt; it would probably need some coordination with ftp-master to get the result go to d-i.debian.org<br />
[21:01:19] &lt;waldi&gt; err, you want automatic binnmus in the main archive?<br />
[21:01:56] &lt;luk&gt; ah another archive would also be an option<br />
[21:02:10] &lt;luk&gt; or at least another suite<br />
[21:02:51] &lt;luk&gt; I plan to work on that during DebCamp and would welcome anyone who wants to help<br />
[21:02:51] &lt;bubulle&gt; unless we have a real volunteer, I see this as a nice dream only, though..:)<br />
[21:03:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; I think we're about to be ready to conclude this meeting<br />
[21:03:23] &lt;waldi&gt; make it cross-buildable, then it is easy<br />
[21:04:07] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Various items<br />
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[21:04:12] &lt;bubulle&gt; just one mention:<br />
[21:04:34] &lt;bubulle&gt; I was pointed to the lack of answer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/04/msg00649.html<br />
[21:05:26] &lt;bubulle&gt; apparently, it would be nice if someone could complete the (small) answer made to Rogerio Brito<br />
[21:06:41] &lt;bubulle&gt; after all, he's proposing to keep miboot alive and it would be a shame if this good will is lost<br />
[21:06:53] &lt;bubulle&gt; #topic Planning next meeting<br />
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[21:07:20] &lt;bubulle&gt; Next meeting will be May 18th, 20:00 UTC, unless there are strong objections to this<br />
[21:07:42] &lt;bubulle&gt; I propose we focus it on an early preparation of an alpha release<br />
[21:08:16] &lt;bubulle&gt; luk, otavio: ^^^^ (I know otavio is away)<br />
[21:08:23] &lt;zumbi&gt; do we have a timeline somewhere?<br />
[21:09:05] &lt;bubulle&gt; zumbi: for the release?<br />
[21:09:09] &lt;luk&gt; no, not yet<br />
[21:09:30] &lt;franklin&gt; I drafted that page once: http://wiki.debian.org/Schedule (but it may go away too )<br />
[21:10:34] &lt;zumbi&gt; bubulle: yes<br />
[21:10:40] &lt;bubulle&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/ReleaseProcess<br />
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[21:10:59] &lt;bubulle&gt; this is not a timeline but it gives an idea of what's involved in a release<br />
[21:11:34] &lt;bubulle&gt; anyway, see you on May 18th!<br />
[21:11:39] &lt;bubulle&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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