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[20:00:27] &lt;otavio&gt; Hello ... the meeting topics can be see at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings/Coordination<br />
[20:01:30] * otavio asks who is going to participate<br />
[20:04:33] &lt;joeyh&gt; hi, I'm a bit late, but here <br />
[20:04:39] &lt;otavio&gt; Anyone alive?<br />
[20:04:41] &lt;otavio&gt; :-)<br />
[20:05:35] &lt;otavio&gt; Well ...<br />
[20:06:08] &lt;otavio&gt; #topic #<br />
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[20:06:08] &lt;otavio&gt; Debian Installer - Lenny Beta1: blockers and intended schedule<br />
[20:06:08] &lt;otavio&gt; #<br />
[20:06:15] &lt;otavio&gt; #topic Debian Installer - Lenny Beta1: blockers and intended schedule<br />
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[20:07:04] &lt;otavio&gt; I'd like to invite everyone to check http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pJ3zAobaQNVXiaKxahSOVYw for the starting proposal for the timeline for beta1<br />
[20:07:53] &lt;otavio&gt; However since ftp-master has problems, I couldn't upload the kernel udebs (they're ready here on my laptop) and this is really important to happen before we can really start the preparation for it<br />
[20:09:05] &lt;otavio&gt; I'd like to talk about current blockers for Beta1 and general d-i release<br />
[20:09:40] &lt;otavio&gt; First, is the "installer doesn't start on mips and mipsel (#445507)"<br />
[20:09:52] &lt;otavio&gt; Looks like whole mips and mipsel images are in trouble ..<br />
[20:10:00] &lt;ths&gt; I plan to look into it soon.<br />
[20:10:04] &lt;otavio&gt; last news I have is that ths and waldi were looking at it<br />
[20:10:15] &lt;otavio&gt; ths: good. daily images looks failing too<br />
[20:10:31] &lt;ths&gt; Should be fixed already.<br />
[20:10:43] &lt;otavio&gt; ths: what's your ETA for start looking into it?<br />
[20:10:50] &lt;ths&gt; Tomorrow.<br />
[20:10:57] &lt;otavio&gt; ths: great .. thanks<br />
[20:11:28] &lt;otavio&gt; Next bloker for beta1 is: "<go back> from first partman dialog does not work (#446994)"<br />
[20:11:37] &lt;otavio&gt; has anyone started to look into it?<br />
[20:12:10] &lt;joeyh&gt; I haven't looked at it, but I'm not sure how it's a really serious blocker either<br />
[20:12:41] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: well, we can ignore it for beta1 however it isn't a nice thing to release with<br />
[20:13:02] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: i ack that it could be ignored for beta1<br />
[20:13:32] &lt;otavio&gt; #agreed #446994 can be ignored for beta1 but would be nice to get fixed before it<br />
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[20:14:06] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: Is it in your TODO list?<br />
[20:14:49] &lt;joeyh&gt; I'm behind on recent changes to partman, including anton's<br />
[20:15:24] &lt;otavio&gt; right <br />
[20:15:37] &lt;otavio&gt; who do you suggest we try to contact to look at it?<br />
[20:16:12] &lt;joeyh&gt; anyone who can handle partman should be able to debug a problem like this fairly easily<br />
[20:16:35] &lt;otavio&gt; ok .. will talk to frans, anton and jeremy later<br />
[20:17:08] &lt;otavio&gt; Another issue: sparc kernel seems to produce unkillable processes (#433187).<br />
[20:17:15] &lt;otavio&gt; Looks like upstream has it fixed<br />
[20:17:20] &lt;otavio&gt; and a patch has been reported on the bug<br />
[20:17:37] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: could you take a look and include it on next kernel upload? (2.6.22, i mean)<br />
[20:17:48] &lt;maks&gt; no<br />
[20:17:54] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: why not?<br />
[20:18:06] &lt;maks&gt; i don't have any sparc box<br />
[20:18:30] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: i'm sure we can find people to test it<br />
[20:18:32] &lt;maks&gt; and 2.6.22-6 is closed - i don't have time for such an old kernel<br />
[20:18:55] &lt;maks&gt; i already did 2 updates too much if you ask me<br />
[20:19:43] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: it's a serious issue for sparc users so it would be nice to get it included<br />
[20:20:03] &lt;maks&gt; 2.6.22-6 is doen<br />
[20:20:10] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: i looked the patch and it doesn't look to break abi and like<br />
[20:20:20] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: was it uploaded already? It doesn't look to be<br />
[20:20:22] &lt;maks&gt; it's just not uploaded due to ftp master borkage<br />
[20:20:35] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so .. we could get it included before it<br />
[20:20:53] &lt;maks&gt; no 2.6.24-rc2 is out<br />
[20:20:58] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: couldn't you reconsider your position to not include it?<br />
[20:21:24] &lt;joeyh&gt; it's so nice that the kernel team is so cooperative<br />
[20:21:35] &lt;joeyh&gt; why are we even considering their bugs as d-i release blockers/<br />
[20:21:36] &lt;joeyh&gt; ?<br />
[20:21:45] &lt;maks&gt; and so cool that d-i drags behind always<br />
[20:22:06] &lt;joeyh&gt; all you have to do is gets kernels into testing, and d-i will use them<br />
[20:22:11] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: i'm sorry but we want to have a stable release (even it being a beta)<br />
[20:22:45] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: and we can't just start with a new kernel version that we don't know when it's going to be stable enough to get into testing<br />
[20:22:57] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so we're wanting to get it done on 2.6.22<br />
[20:23:06] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so we upload the udebs and put it on testing<br />
[20:23:19] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so you're free to upload .23 after this all<br />
[20:24:18] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so, can I count on you?<br />
[20:24:30] &lt;joeyh&gt; otavio: there's no chance in hell that a kernel upload tomorrow will get into testing in time for your published timeline<br />
[20:24:49] &lt;joeyh&gt; just look at the history of any kernel upload over the past few years<br />
[20:24:55] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: 2.6.22-6 can make it<br />
[20:25:02] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: .23 no<br />
[20:25:06] &lt;maks&gt; 2.6.22-6 is closed<br />
[20:25:22] &lt;otavio&gt; maks: so open -7 and put this change and close it and upload it :-)<br />
[20:25:29] &lt;maks&gt; if a sparc porter does a 2.6.22-7 fine with me<br />
[20:26:33] &lt;otavio&gt; :(<br />
[20:27:21] &lt;otavio&gt; Next blocker: Regressions in cleaning old LVM partitions (#425829);<br />
[20:28:15] * otavio is sad about kernel team cooperativeness :(<br />
[20:28:33] &lt;otavio&gt; Well .. has someone looked at it? Jeremy said he was going to<br />
[20:28:47] &lt;otavio&gt; but I hadn't hear from him since some time.. <br />
[20:29:24] * ths has to run - see you later<br />
[20:29:37] &lt;otavio&gt; ths: see you<br />
[20:30:58] &lt;otavio&gt; Looks like noone did :(<br />
[20:31:00] &lt;otavio&gt; Ok ..<br />
[20:31:37] &lt;otavio&gt; I'll see what I can do<br />
[20:31:42] &lt;otavio&gt; Next blocker: dependencies of excluded packages on the cd, making netinst huge (#410418)<br />
[20:32:05] &lt;otavio&gt; This one I thought I had solved but my patch had issues with complete CDs and then it needed to be reverted. <br />
[20:32:39] &lt;otavio&gt; I started to work on it locally here and I have a partial patch with it but it is much more complex then I thought it was<br />
[20:32:48] &lt;otavio&gt; This one can be kept with me<br />
[20:33:51] &lt;otavio&gt; I don't consider it a blocker for beta1 but one for final release<br />
[20:34:53] &lt;otavio&gt; weekly builds now looks OK and then problem of mismatch version between kernel and module has been solved<br />
[20:35:14] &lt;otavio&gt; So basically .. the plan is:<br />
[20:35:29] &lt;otavio&gt;  - once ries is online again, i do udeb uploads;<br />
[20:36:06] &lt;otavio&gt;  - once kernel team do -6 (or -7, if maks change his mind :P) I'll then redo them all;<br />
[20:36:39] &lt;otavio&gt;  - after it, i'll publish the timeline with updated dates;<br />
[20:37:07] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: are you aware of any other important bug that we might consider for beta1 as a blocker?<br />
[20:38:13] &lt;joeyh&gt; I still don't understand how you expect a kernel that is not currently in testing or unstable to magically appeaer in testing in a week<br />
[20:41:19] * otavio checking linux-2.6 status again<br />
[20:42:59] &lt;otavio&gt; wow it looks horrible ... it didn't look so bad last time ..<br />
[20:43:27] &lt;joeyh&gt; that's because it had just finally made it into testing last time.. after how many months?<br />
[20:43:59] &lt;otavio&gt; joeyh: besides kernel itself (that we'll need to sort it out) .. there's anything we need to fix?<br />
[20:44:01] &lt;joeyh&gt; anyway, even if it had zero bugs, it would not make it into testing in a week<br />
[20:46:05] &lt;otavio&gt; waldi: Is your turn<br />
[20:46:12] &lt;otavio&gt; waldi: can I move to sbuild topic?<br />
[20:47:37] &lt;otavio&gt; hum he doesn't look to be alive <br />
[20:48:57] &lt;otavio&gt; well ..<br />
[20:49:05] &lt;otavio&gt; Looks like people is really quiet <br />
[20:49:23] &lt;otavio&gt; and most isn't alive ...<br />
[20:49:41] &lt;otavio&gt; so I see no reason to continue the meeting <br />
[20:49:52] &lt;otavio&gt; Does someone wants to comment or say something?<br />
[20:50:29] &lt;otavio&gt; #endsmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />