16:00:59 #startmeeting 16:00:59 Meeting started Thu Jun 12 16:00:59 2025 UTC. The chair is olasd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:01 #chair tumbleweed 16:01:01 Current chairs: olasd tumbleweed 16:01:07 thanks :) 16:01:15 Hoi 16:01:33 #topic Roll Call 16:01:38 #url https://storm.debian.net/shared/gPV23Wz8jCZpdj5gQDshkD-IoPH6TGkvziusj3nW265 16:01:44 o/ 16:01:46 o/ 16:01:46 Say hi if you're here for the meeting! 16:01:52 o/ (briefly and intermittently, as usual) 16:01:54 Here 16:01:57 Hi 16:01:58 and also look at the agenda and update it 16:02:27 you beat me too those edits, thanks 16:02:29 hi 16:02:34 * disaster2life[mds] looks at the debian storm loading page 16:02:39 hi! o/ 16:02:49 I realize I'm updating last week's agenda 16:03:38 o/ 16:03:51 that's a good attendance! 16:03:59 let's move on to DC25 16:04:00 #topic DC25 - kit list 16:04:17 the local AV people are unhappy with us touching any of their kit 16:04:21 not a cable, not anything 16:04:42 pity, but not entirely unsuprising 16:04:45 o/ 16:04:50 will they let us use it if they do the touching? 16:05:00 they don't want to be touching it 16:05:08 either 16:05:16 so they're looking at what they can provide us 16:05:22 so, it's either use the room setup exactly as-is or do our own thing? 16:05:22 it's... not great 16:05:29 yes 16:06:06 that's a pity, they had been willing before :( 16:06:08 yes 16:06:44 I thought it might have been a misunderstanding but apparently not. They seem to have some microphones and receivers in stock which they are willing to lend us 16:07:07 some = enough? 16:07:11 we'll see 16:07:25 I've been told 6 handheld sets 16:07:44 and they're looking into headsets 16:07:45 At least that's half of what we need 16:07:47 that + our gear + some hired headsets... could work 16:07:53 yeah 16:07:56 Assuming they're decent 16:08:06 would we have to hire PAs too? 16:08:16 or we just inject into one of their headset packs? 16:08:16 Big mixture of kit :-/ 16:08:30 yeah, well, it is what it is 16:08:40 Mm 16:08:41 supposedly we can use one of the existing XLRs to feed to the room PA 16:08:49 The room pictures looked to have line inputs in at least the amphis we could tie into 16:08:58 OK, well that's not the end of the world 16:09:01 just $$$ 16:09:16 €€€ I mean :P 16:09:39 olasd: thanks for taking this up with them 16:09:41 contact with the local A/V club has finally been established, I should get pictures or an inventory of their kit by EOW 16:09:42 we can use the xlr to feed the room output 16:10:19 we're renting 4 desktop PCs as I've had confirmation that we can open them and wipe them and do what we want with them 16:10:21 That's a big lump of hardware taken care of at least then 16:10:22 do the security people know that we'll be stringing up cables everywhere? 16:10:39 I'm bringing an Access Point if we need one. The ones we used for video in dc23. 16:10:54 tumbleweed: they do, we just need to put gaffer everywhere 16:10:54 and the tripods and SDI cables are being rented as well 16:11:03 bsomers: ack 16:11:06 mmm, gaffer. I should buy some of that 16:11:09 yeah 16:11:16 Good stuff please 16:11:27 Cheap doesn't pay 16:11:35 it's not my first time 16:11:38 and we'd like to leave the venue residue-free 16:12:03 I'm happy if someone with opinions takes this off my hands, of course ;-) 16:12:36 #action olasd to follow up with local AV people 16:12:52 #action olasd to finalize rental agreements for PCs, tripods and SDI cables 16:12:55 I wouldn't mind doing but importing it would be less easy 16:13:04 #action olasd to buy some good gaff tape 16:13:25 moving on? 16:13:28 yeah 16:13:35 #topic DC25 - Room selection 16:14:41 so, when thinking about room layout, I was wondering if petit amphi really has space for video team and cameras in it 16:15:00 https://people.debian.org/~stefanor/dc25-site-visit/ 16:15:20 you can see my sketched room layouts in https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/private/dc25/-/tree/main/floorplans/video?ref_type=heads 16:15:26 (let me know if you need permission to access that) 16:15:44 for petit amphi, it looks like the front camera would be in front of the screen (where the whiteboard is) 16:16:10 and mixing + main camera would have to be stuffed into the back two rows 16:16:30 or up into the projection booth, but that cames with other issues... :P 16:18:43 Is the tally light the same one that was made last DebConf24? 16:18:50 Mixers on back row? 16:18:59 JonathanWiltshire[mds]: yeah, that's what I was thinking 16:19:09 it's gonna be cramped, in petit amphi 16:19:11 Right sorry 16:19:23 Front and side are an issue though yes 16:19:25 telling content team that we should video a classroom instead is an option 16:19:47 To be honest, it makes more sense for videoed BoFs anyway 16:20:08 I'm not convinced classrooms will be any less cramped 16:20:17 How about a static audience cam right in the corner by those whiteboards and it just won't ever move? 16:20:20 and use just the main camera? just one 16:20:28 JonathanWiltshire[mds]: yeah, front camera could be static 16:20:32 So only front can on presenter 16:20:35 or only manned during q&a 16:21:00 olasd: yes, the classrooms aren't big 16:21:05 esp if we take over a corner with video 16:21:25 It looks like we can set up a camera in the front without getting in the way of the projector screen too much (front couple rows may loose a corner) 16:21:26 static front camera and projection booth for petit amphi sound better than a classroom with videoteam in a corner 16:21:39 Q and a from front row only and questioners have to move there perhaps? Done that before 16:21:53 did we book any of the 56-seat classrooms? 16:22:50 paddatrapper: yes, I think the camera will be well below the screen 16:23:02 2024-10-02 13:25:30 bensmrs Petit amphi, Grand amphi, Méridienne 16:23:04 2024-10-02 13:25:48 bensmrs And I booked B03-035, B03-036, B03-132, B03-134 16:23:06 2024-10-02 13:27:18 bensmrs And I was allowed to book the whole Centre-vie, thanks to Marianne 16:24:26 do we know the sizes of any of those B rooms? 16:24:46 B03-035/6 B03-134 look like large classrooms and B03-132 a small one 16:25:05 guesstimating from floor plans 16:26:53 https://people.debian.org/~stefanor/dc25-site-visit/photos/2048w/2024-11-21_10.20.56.jpg has the door of B03-035 :P 16:26:57 sorry, got caught up in a meeting, I’m gathering the data 16:27:11 yeah I see 16:27:36 35, 36 and 134 have a bit more than 60 seats 16:27:43 132 is dedicated to video team 16:28:23 ack 16:28:36 what do people think? do the camera in the porjection booth? 16:29:19 if we did a classrom, it would probably lose about two tables to video team, taking it to ~54 seats I guess 16:29:19 Cam from there is ok if the view works, but avoid mixing from there if at all possible 16:29:28 +1 16:29:40 feed audio into the front camera? 16:29:42 Unless that's the only way to make cables work, in which case it's a compromise we have to live with 16:29:47 main challenge in that situation would be taking SDI in/out of the proj booth 16:30:25 (no window that I can see) 16:30:38 Camera in the projection room seems impractical 16:30:46 no hole going to the amphis 16:31:02 OK, then we have to take over a desk at the back 16:31:07 No opening at all? Would avoid altogether then 16:31:13 probably about 8 seats worth 16:31:17 Commandeer a row instead 16:31:22 I’m told there are Ethernet plugs in the projection room, but I can’t guarantee y’all will have access to the room 16:32:06 Table top tripod for that one for bonus points 16:32:08 I still think the amphi will be better than a classroom 16:32:12 right, so we do the layout I proposed in git 16:32:42 unless anyone has any tweaks to make to it? 16:32:48 the other two rooms are much easier 16:32:51 for the amphis, yeah, sgtm 16:33:47 amphis with 1 camera? or 2? 16:33:49 2 16:34:17 for grand amphi, the video team desk in the corner would be more out of the way of attendees 16:34:35 we'd still be having to fit into a row or two of amphitheatre seats 16:34:58 Also reduces tripping hazards running across one of the main walkways 16:35:49 OK meridienne 16:36:22 here I'd propose having the cameras on some blocks of stage 16:36:35 for méridienne I'm not sure about the location of the video team desk 16:36:38 if we can get any from the venue / hire company 16:36:53 camera locations seem fine 16:37:08 put the video desk behind the camera facing forward? 16:37:15 Yes you'll want some height, and if the desks are at the back it would be good to elevate them as well 16:37:26 That is a big space 16:37:52 tumbleweed: Initially I was thinking in front of the door to the tech room 16:38:12 olasd: that would be out of the way... 16:38:25 it's an odd place to watch a talk from, but I don't see that being a problem 16:38:33 behind the wood lectern thing in your photos 16:38:36 yeah 16:38:41 that wood lectern thing can move 16:38:43 Does make mixing a bit more tricky 16:38:44 assuming actual lectern would be in the center 16:38:54 or, well, less there 16:38:56 :P 16:39:26 tumbleweed: I seem to recall that wooden lectern thing can't move much 16:39:34 I'd put the lectern on the opposide site of the projction screen from the camera 16:39:36 yeah, no, it can't move 16:39:48 Can that corner be accessed discreetly during a talk though? 16:40:02 paddatrapper: ah it had a snake to it so I assumed it could be slid around 16:40:14 it is a very inconvenient corner to get to during the talk 16:40:21 being on the entrace side would be much more convenient 16:40:34 but if we put cameras on the entrance side, we have more backlight to deal with 16:40:42 let's keep the cameras on that side and put the video desk on the entrance side ? 16:40:59 I don't know 16:41:13 that certainly can work 16:41:47 so video mixing desk in the corner where the wheelchair lift is, in my photos 16:42:40 I don't see a wheelchair lift 16:42:55 https://people.debian.org/~stefanor/dc25-site-visit/photos/2048w/2024-11-21_10.30.38.jpg 16:43:05 it's hiding behind a fence 16:43:08 That cage thing I think 16:43:15 aha 16:43:21 then, yes :D 16:43:37 can be moved to the edge of the stage (and probably should be) 16:44:06 OK 16:44:11 we can gather around the pillar so that the secondary camera angle doesn't catch us too much 16:44:19 (i.e.not right in the corner) 16:44:39 yeah, that camera angle will be difficult 16:44:42 for the primary camera too 16:44:47 or we can make funny faces 16:44:49 it's okay 16:45:16 #action tumbleweed to update room layout proposals according to our discussion 16:45:25 :P 16:45:26 (I'm sitting in a bar and the AV people are setting up for an MSF talk around me) 16:45:39 Big monitors 16:45:48 many trains 16:45:50 wow 16:45:51 To hide behind 😄 16:46:04 anything else on this topic? 16:46:57 moved the desk, in git 16:47:55 #agreed video will happen in méridienne, grand amphi, petit amphi 16:48:33 OK, moving on? 16:48:39 yeah 16:48:45 we can go to maceió 16:48:59 #topic MiniDebConf Maceió follow-up 16:49:21 no news from my side 16:49:39 IIRC edits to the sound are in progress 16:49:43 there was a short chat with samueloph related to the audio post-processing 16:50:43 anything else here? 16:50:49 not that I can think of 16:51:12 no 16:51:27 #topic Any other business ? 16:51:43 phls: feel free to commit metadata in the meantime, if all the talks you videoed are complete 16:52:04 ok, how do I do that? :-) 16:52:17 we skipped the Brazil camera discussion but I haven't seen any new things between meetings (and I don't think it's particularly urgent). Please add the topic back when you have an idea of model / price that we should discuss :-) 16:52:26 there's a tools/sreview (or something like that) in the archive-meta repo 16:52:49 olasd, good, I removed the topic now and we can return when I have more info about the camera 16:53:05 +1 16:54:31 #agreed the brazil team will research cameras and add the agenda item back when there's a proposal 16:54:44 #topic Next Meeting 16:54:47 same time next week? 16:54:51 same time next week 16:54:59 #agreed same time next week! 16:55:02 #endmeeting