17:59:06 <paddatrapper> #startmeeting 17:59:06 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Mar 17 17:59:06 2020 UTC. The chair is paddatrapper. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:59:06 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:09 <olasd> hi if you're here for the meeting 17:59:11 <paddatrapper> #topic rollcall 17:59:18 <tumbleweed> hi 17:59:20 <olasd> oops, too early :P 17:59:33 * tumbleweed recaffinates 17:59:34 <paddatrapper> Agenda: http://deb.li/oNCD 17:59:37 <paddatrapper> heh 17:59:55 <paddatrapper> please add stuff to the agenda if you want to talk about it 18:00:49 <CarlFK> here 18:01:46 <paddatrapper> #topic Upcoming MiniConfs 18:02:03 <paddatrapper> #info Aberdeen MiniConf has been postponed 18:03:03 <nattie> hi kids 18:03:19 <olasd> sad, but the only sensible choice at this point; fyi the videoteam hardware is in my office, and my office is out of bounds as France is being confined for at least the next 15 days 18:03:40 <olasd> (access cards disabled and everything) 18:03:49 <paddatrapper> #info no access to video team equipment for at least the next 15 days 18:04:16 <tumbleweed> we could use this time to buy more equipment, of course :) 18:04:24 <olasd> we should 18:04:28 <paddatrapper> well we do have a shopping list :) 18:04:37 <nattie> Hamsterkäufe! 18:04:54 <olasd> my insurance claim for Brussels is still in the pipeline. I should probably give them a poke 18:05:32 <paddatrapper> #action olasd to poke insurance about Brussels 18:05:39 <olasd> heh 18:06:14 <paddatrapper> with a sharp stick 18:06:39 <olasd> well not too sharp, I'd like them to pay up ;) 18:06:44 <paddatrapper> heh 18:07:01 <paddatrapper> is there someone willing to spearhead the new gear purchase? 18:07:51 <olasd> quite frankly, not in the next few weeks 18:08:28 <nattie> i'm happy to help, if someone points me 18:08:38 <nattie> for what that's worth (i have no idea of the requirements) 18:08:42 <paddatrapper> nattie: sure happy to 18:08:53 <paddatrapper> it should largely be emailing people at this point 18:08:53 <nattie> cool, let's do that then 18:09:12 <paddatrapper> #action nattie and paddatrapper to get quotes and approval for gear purchase 18:09:32 * tobi is sorry for being late 18:10:05 <nattie> no worries, tobi 18:10:29 <paddatrapper> Any other miniconf updates that we know about? 18:10:48 <nattie> nothing to my knowledge that anyone's mentioned to me 18:10:55 <nattie> i guess we're the nearest, temporally 18:11:12 <nattie> Montreal? pollo? 18:11:16 <tumbleweed> safe to say no other in-person miniconfs happening any time soon 18:11:30 <olasd> paddatrapper: I should be able to give you creds to the thomann account so you can dupe the old card 18:11:33 <olasd> cart* 18:11:42 <paddatrapper> olasd: thanks that would be helpful 18:11:43 <pollo> we haven't decided anything yet, since Aug is in a while 18:11:50 <nattie> fair enough 18:12:15 <paddatrapper> #topic BillowConf 18:12:28 <nattie> the other two that i'm aware of are september/october (Bordeaux was going to be May, but then decided to set later dates even before this) 18:12:41 <paddatrapper> #undo 18:12:41 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x138cd10> 18:12:46 <olasd> (we also need to figure out a better flight case before ordering again) 18:13:14 <paddatrapper> #info there are two MiniConfs in September/October 18:13:32 <paddatrapper> Definitely need a better flightcase 18:13:42 <paddatrapper> #info need a better flight case this time 18:13:50 <paddatrapper> #topic BillowConf 18:14:01 <tobi> I'm the one gulty for the one in september … ;-) 18:14:11 <paddatrapper> This came out of remote participation for DebConf and State of the Map becoming virtual 18:14:40 <paddatrapper> would appreciate thoughts/changes 18:14:47 <paddatrapper> https://gitlab.com/billowconf/billowconf 18:14:49 <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: you going to make that storm doc public? 18:14:52 <paddatrapper> not much there yet 18:15:51 <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: it should be fixed in master, otherwise 18:15:52 <paddatrapper> https://storm.debian.net/shared/ZN57brpgW2dVu87tYl2KBBhs9iX7er7hS01Wv9M6jN3 18:16:15 <olasd> when is SOTM? 18:16:25 <paddatrapper> End of July 18:17:19 <paddatrapper> #info paddatrapper has started working on a virtual conference system 18:17:20 <tumbleweed> seems ambitious. But ambitious is good :) 18:17:49 <paddatrapper> Luckily I'm not doing much at work :) 18:18:30 <tumbleweed> any areas that need help? 18:18:38 <paddatrapper> the tricky thing is making it front-end agnostic so that native and web will work 18:18:55 <paddatrapper> having never really worked with frontend stuff before 18:19:16 <paddatrapper> And then all the RTMP manipulation behind the scenes 18:19:45 <tumbleweed> are you buliding the RTMP bits on top of anything existing? 18:20:02 <paddatrapper> I haven't looked yet, but I would prefer to, yes 18:20:30 <tumbleweed> if you get the API design right, supporting multiple front-ends shouldn't be too bad 18:20:48 <tumbleweed> the trickyness there is probably in specific requirements for web frontends 18:21:17 <paddatrapper> yeah 18:21:53 <tumbleweed> I've been trying to think if there are ways to break this problem into smaller pieces, that can reuse existing things (e.g. jitsi) until you get to those areas 18:22:27 <tumbleweed> because this seems kind of reinvent-the-world, all-or-nothing. Which is very high risk for not being ready in time for whatever you need it for 18:22:34 * highvoltage arrives (ran late) 18:23:19 * tumbleweed throws dc16 at peertube 18:23:30 <paddatrapper> I have briefly looked into trying to tie in jitsi, but need to do more digging 18:23:40 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: thanks for bug filing 18:24:08 <paddatrapper> #topic Any other business 18:24:21 <tumbleweed> I doubt jitsi would scale to a BoF 18:25:44 * highvoltage has business 18:25:55 <tumbleweed> https://peertube.debian.social/ now exists 18:25:58 <olasd> tumbleweed: depends on the size and the attendee discipline 18:26:02 <tumbleweed> busy uploading our archive to it 18:26:03 <highvoltage> can we talk about a virtual minidebconf too? 18:26:11 <olasd> (we did 16 people today on jitsi meet) 18:26:19 <olasd> (audio-only obvs) 18:26:22 <paddatrapper> highvoltage: that would be a great stress test 18:26:37 <tumbleweed> I got 2 GPU lockups this morning, thanks to (google meet) video conferences :( 18:26:44 <paddatrapper> #info https://peertube.debian.social/ now exists 18:26:50 <highvoltage> yeah I would do do that with the goal of testing ot current collaboration tools and filing bugs for the next 18:27:00 <pollo> olasd: wouldn't mumble be simpler and scale better for audio-only? 18:27:02 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ouch 18:27:24 <highvoltage> pollo: probably less convenient if one person wants video or wants to screenshare 18:27:24 <olasd> pollo: when you have a server 18:27:34 <tumbleweed> neither recovered gracefully, although sometimes they do 18:27:44 <olasd> anyway 18:27:53 <tumbleweed> jitsi type things can be nice with 1 person sharing a screen, and video, and everyone else being audio only 18:27:55 <highvoltage> I guess in a bof video could be highly optional 18:28:02 <highvoltage> yeah exactly 18:29:01 <highvoltage> we need a local team for an online miniddebconf, anyone here interested? :) 18:29:19 <nattie> who here is extremely online? 18:29:26 <tumbleweed> when are you thinking? 18:29:36 * tumbleweed is local to the internet :P 18:29:53 <highvoltage> don't have an exact date yet, but I was thinking perhaps 1.5-2 months from now 18:30:00 <paddatrapper> I would be keen 18:30:01 <CarlFK> tonight my chicago hackerspace will be doing the weekly meeting online. using zoom. 18:30:08 <highvoltage> one and a half to two months 18:30:19 <CarlFK> I am up for imposing a differet solution every week 18:30:36 <highvoltage> so I'm counting nattie, tumbleweed and paddatrapper for local team :) 18:30:45 <highvoltage> clearly we won't be using zoom 18:31:17 <highvoltage> anyone volunteering to create a link for it on https://wiki.debian.org/MiniDebConf ? 18:31:58 <highvoltage> (otherwise I'll go ahead and do it) 18:32:12 <paddatrapper> Go ahead 18:32:25 <CarlFK> if you queue up some things, I'll try to use them (not up to me what gets used, but hopefully the group would be open to being a gunipig 18:33:12 <highvoltage> CarlFK: great, I'll add a 'testers' section to the minidebconf page and add you 18:33:37 <paddatrapper> #agreed Vritual MiniDebConf happening 1.5-2 months from now 18:33:39 <CarlFK> the meeting is superfulous 18:33:49 <highvoltage> which one CarlFK? 18:33:58 <paddatrapper> #info nattie highvoltage tumbleweed paddatrapper volunteered for local team 18:34:00 <CarlFK> so it doesn't matter if I tank it (ps1 weekly hackerspace meeting 18:34:17 <highvoltage> ah right, gotcham when is that meeting? 18:34:27 <paddatrapper> #info CarlFK will try be a gunipig 18:34:47 <CarlFK> every tuesday, 8pm Central time 18:35:10 <paddatrapper> #info trials every Tuesday 20:00 Central time :) 18:36:03 <CarlFK> I'll encourage anyone here to be a guest. help get a feel for how well things go 18:36:12 <highvoltage> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/internet/2020/MiniDebCamp#preview 18:36:38 <tumbleweed> \o/ 18:37:00 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: you want to talk about your plans for the debian.social peertube? 18:37:19 <olasd> can we get #topics please? 18:37:40 <paddatrapper> #topics debian.social Peertube 18:37:49 <paddatrapper> #topic debian.social Peertube 18:37:54 <paddatrapper> second times the charm 18:38:02 <paddatrapper> #chair olasd 18:38:02 <MeetBot> Current chairs: olasd paddatrapper 18:38:04 <highvoltage> ah yeah tumbleweed mentioned that already 18:38:21 <highvoltage> but I'm very excited about it, it's been 4 years in the making with lots of pushes to make it happen 18:38:21 <tumbleweed> sure, but what use are expecting? 18:38:40 <highvoltage> and I'm very glad tumbleweed took care of all the uploading stuff 18:39:02 <tumbleweed> I mean, aside from mirroring our archive, I assume we'll get people using it for other stuff 18:39:22 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: you mean peertbube.debian.social? 18:39:34 <tumbleweed> I do 18:40:08 <highvoltage> yeah the idea is to use it for all kinds of debian stuff. at DC19 I spoke to a bunch of different people who have uploaded debian content to youtube (or never uploaded it anywhere) 18:40:40 <highvoltage> I can't remember that guys name but he helped with video team and his name starts with an L, he said they made tons of Spanish Debian content that's online nowhere and only on hard drives 18:40:42 <paddatrapper> #info peertube.debian.social intended for all kinds of Debian stuff, as well as mirroring the video team archive 18:41:11 <highvoltage> so I'm hoping we can get all of that on there, and also encourage people who currently make debian howtos for youtube to license it freely and upload it to peertube as well 18:42:03 <tumbleweed> I assume we should try to get some of that into our apu archive too 18:42:11 <highvoltage> it might take off or not, if it doesn't, it will at least be useful for the debconf videos, but I think we can build some community around this. I hear frustration from linux video makers uploading to exising sites that the encoding waiting is too long 18:42:24 <highvoltage> (like 2 or 3 days wait) 18:42:31 <highvoltage> our machine does a whole debconf in less than a day 18:42:50 <tumbleweed> I don't know what the the cutoff point for our archive should be 18:43:08 <highvoltage> cutoff point? in terms of what kind of content we accept? 18:43:22 <paddatrapper> #info our machine encodes a whole debconf in less than a day 18:43:42 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: so, if someone uploaded a miniconf to peertube, I'd say: Can we have this for our primary archive, please 18:44:03 <tumbleweed> I don't really want peertube to become that 18:44:15 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ah right, I guess we should have a workflow where all minidebconf videos come to the debconf video team for processing 18:44:36 <highvoltage> and then it gets uploaded through the debconf channel channels 18:44:46 <highvoltage> channels channel 18:44:48 <highvoltage> whatever :) 18:45:13 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I'm not 100% sure I follow, you mean peertube shouldn't become something where minidebconf upload vidoes theirselves? 18:45:42 <tumbleweed> my concern is that if we do that, we don't get this content somewhere that we can usefully *archive* it 18:45:55 <tumbleweed> (that = self uploading) 18:46:08 <highvoltage> ah, so you're talking about non-debconf content 18:46:18 <highvoltage> right? 18:46:26 <tumbleweed> yeah, miniconfs 18:46:38 <highvoltage> yeah but I don't think minidebconf should self-upload anything 18:47:11 <highvoltage> they should provide it to the debconf video team for uploading to all the archive.org, youtube, peertube, etc 18:47:19 <highvoltage> or am I completely misunderstanding you? 18:47:34 <tumbleweed> that's what I'm saying, yes 18:47:41 <CarlFK> pyvideo struggedl with this: don't allow "garbage" but then how is that defined and who gets to decide. 18:47:56 <tumbleweed> although I'd really like to not have us be in the middle of this, it seems unavoidable 18:48:07 <tumbleweed> CarlFK: right 18:48:24 <tumbleweed> the line could be as simple as: we'll take any content from debian-focussed events 18:48:39 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ok agreed then, paddatrapper you know what to do 18:49:23 <paddatrapper> #agreed we will take any content from debian-focussed events. MiniConfs should provide the video to the video team to upload to all archives 18:49:36 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: it's going to be simpler than for a minidebconf local team to work it out from scratch every time. maybe we can source some volunteers to help out with this. it's at least trivial when all the scripts are in place 18:49:50 <tumbleweed> yeah 18:49:57 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: maybe we could recruit to video team from all the minidebconf at the same time for this 18:50:32 <paddatrapper> #agreed try build a team for minconf video and content uploading 18:51:18 <paddatrapper> any volunteers to lead this? 18:51:40 <highvoltage> sure, will need tumbleweed's help but sure that won't be a problem 18:51:49 <paddatrapper> #undo 18:51:49 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x12bf050> 18:51:59 <paddatrapper> #action highvoltage to try build a team for minconf video and content uploading 18:52:08 <paddatrapper> #info with help 18:52:45 <paddatrapper> Any other things we need to talk about? 18:52:48 <tumbleweed> there's still lots of work to do, documenting existing miniconfs in our archive 18:53:06 <tumbleweed> I'm happy to help people with that 18:53:09 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I suppse explaining this stuff is a nice way of getting it documented 18:53:12 <paddatrapper> #info there is a lot of work to do, documenting existing miniconfs in our archive 18:53:21 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: we could have a BoF about documenting minidebconf uploads at minidebconf online 18:53:23 <tumbleweed> it helps if you can script web scrapers 18:53:29 <highvoltage> (that's an action yes) 18:53:40 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: absolutely 18:53:55 <paddatrapper> #agreed have a BoF about documenting minidebconf uploads at minidebconf online 18:54:23 * highvoltage has nothing else for now 18:54:44 <tumbleweed> neither 18:54:50 <paddatrapper> #topic Next meeting time 18:54:55 <paddatrapper> 21 April 2020 @ 18:00 UTC? 18:55:42 <olasd> sounds fine to me 18:55:57 <nattie> sure 18:56:04 <nattie> it's not like we're going anywhere 18:56:11 <tumbleweed> heh 18:56:15 <paddatrapper> #agreed Next meeting 21 April 2020 @ 18:00 UTC 18:56:18 <paddatrapper> #endmeeting