Started logging meeting in #debconf-video, times are UTC.<br />
[20:02:44] &lt;WombleToo&gt; No codec changes - those are experimental<br />
[20:02:57] * h01ger nods<br />
[20:03:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic who will be in the video team at fosdem? <br />
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[20:03:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/FosdemVideo2008<br />
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[20:03:13] &lt;edrz&gt; codec changes meaning switching to ffmpeg from libdv?<br />
[20:03:38] &lt;WombleToo&gt; yes, or modifying the codec code<br />
[20:03:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, toresbe, hermanr, p2-mate: you are not listed on that page, please do list yourself if you intend to help<br />
[20:04:25] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: i will be in cologne.<br />
[20:04:30] &lt;p2-mate&gt; I don't have time to help this year<br />
[20:04:32] &lt;toresbe&gt; h01ger: I have to stay here :(<br />
[20:04:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, ah. i wasnt sure about you actually coming<br />
[20:04:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; toresbe, !! :(<br />
[20:04:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; p2-mate, ah<br />
[20:05:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; ok, good to know :)<br />
[20:05:10] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: sorry. i felt I needed to focus on LAC.<br />
[20:05:19] &lt;p2-mate&gt; h01ger: I said that already last meeting <br />
[20:05:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, thats fine<br />
[20:05:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; p2-mate, ah<br />
[20:05:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; looking at the shifts we have 60% of the requiered volunteers<br />
[20:06:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea we need more people volunteering for the shifts<br />
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[20:06:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; does someone have a printer and can bring the volunteer schedules printed? so we can put a list to the booth...<br />
[20:07:00] &lt;xerakko&gt; h01ger, did you saw the René (H) offer?<br />
[20:07:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; my printer aint set up<br />
[20:07:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, yes, but he didnt add himself to the list<br />
[20:07:18] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: are you counting xf?<br />
[20:07:20] &lt;xerakko&gt; which list?<br />
[20:07:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko,  http://wiki.debian.org/FosdemVideo2008<br />
[20:07:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, no yet, he only told me some hours ago he will really attend :)<br />
[20:07:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, next topic i guess<br />
[20:08:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic missing items: camera1, tripod, mics + audio cables<br />
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[20:08:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven and gismo dont appear to be here to discuss the missing audio bits<br />
[20:09:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; i ordered a http://www.thomann.de/de/beyerdynamic_opus_155_mk_ii_set.htm plus a 10m XLR male/female cable, which i expect to arrive here tomorrow<br />
[20:09:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; or wednessday<br />
[20:09:23] &lt;daven&gt;  I'm here<br />
[20:09:23] &lt;daven&gt; hang on am lagged baldly<br />
[20:09:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; so we basically need one mic to catch the audience, if i understand correctly<br />
[20:09:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; hey daven!<br />
[20:09:58] &lt;daven&gt; badly even<br />
[20:10:07] &lt;daven&gt; yeah<br />
[20:10:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, can you please reply to gismo on the list, regarding audio stuff?<br />
[20:10:26] &lt;daven&gt; I should be able to bring onew and spome cable, I'll find out for you guys tomorrow<br />
[20:10:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; so that we get that sorted<br />
[20:10:43] &lt;daven&gt; ok will do<br />
[20:10:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, i dont think we need that much cables<br />
[20:10:52] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: I have a printer<br />
[20:11:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, cool. can+will you print the schedules then?<br />
[20:11:17] &lt;WombleToo&gt; OK<br />
[20:11:24] &lt;WombleToo&gt; if it's ready by Friday morning<br />
[20:11:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; print whats there<br />
[20:11:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; we can fill in the blanks with a pen<br />
[20:11:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; or search for a printer at fosdem ;)<br />
[20:12:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, will you bring 9v batteries too?<br />
[20:12:27] &lt;daven&gt; can't you bring them?<br />
[20:12:39] &lt;p2-mate&gt; or buy them ? :)<br />
[20:12:41] &lt;daven&gt; (can the cost be reclaimed)<br />
[20:12:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; i dont think camera1 is still missing: this will be davens camera udn gismos camera as camera2. and audio in via the vga2dv box<br />
[20:13:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, i just assumed you had "tons" as its somehwat "audio gear" ;)<br />
[20:13:06] &lt;daven&gt; well<br />
[20:13:09] &lt;daven&gt; it's radio mic gear<br />
[20:13:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; never mind<br />
[20:13:38] &lt;daven&gt; I did have a huge pack which has about 12 left, for my preamp<br />
[20:13:40] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: Right. Still need another tripod though<br />
[20:13:42] &lt;daven&gt; but that's in .uk<br />
[20:13:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, do you agree with the camera setup or would you rather bring your camera?<br />
[20:13:51] &lt;daven&gt; I'll bring some if I can get them back <br />
[20:13:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; and yes, tripod 2 is the major issue<br />
[20:13:59] &lt;hermanr&gt; I can bring a tripod.<br />
[20:14:01] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: Mine would be an absolute last resort<br />
[20:14:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, \o/!<br />
[20:14:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; yay<br />
[20:14:15] &lt;xerakko&gt; h01ger, I've seen you still need a camera. You could use my camera if you need it. <br />
[20:14:22] &lt;hermanr&gt; The best tripod is a little heavier than I like.<br />
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[20:14:23] &lt;xerakko&gt; http://www1.epinions.com/Sony_DCR_TRV18_MiniDV_Handycam_Camcorder_Camcorders/display_~reviews<br />
[20:14:26] &lt;xerakko&gt; is this one.<br />
[20:14:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, actually we dont<br />
[20:14:31] &lt;xerakko&gt; ok<br />
[20:14:33] &lt;hermanr&gt; I have a smaller one; the one used at DC5.<br />
[20:15:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, are you finally coming?<br />
[20:15:14] &lt;xerakko&gt; no<br />
[20:15:26] &lt;xerakko&gt; This time it will not be possible<br />
[20:15:36] &lt;xerakko&gt; but I've talked with my wife for next one ;)<br />
[20:15:40] &lt;daven&gt; LAC?<br />
[20:16:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; so, AV gear is solved, yay, leaves the computers<br />
[20:17:09] &lt;WombleToo&gt; and the notwork<br />
[20:17:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; i was thinking of bringing a extra linksys (with wlan disable) so we can more easily have a seperated network. do you think thats sensible?<br />
[20:17:56] &lt;daven&gt; as long as it doens't interfere with the uplink<br />
[20:18:16] &lt;p2-mate&gt; rather bring a real switch then I would say ?<br />
[20:18:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; p2-mate, i fear that then others will plug in<br />
[20:18:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; a linksys only has 5 ports<br />
[20:18:34] &lt;p2-mate&gt; mark it :)<br />
[20:18:48] &lt;WombleToo&gt; make any spare ports etherkillers<br />
[20:19:00] &lt;daven&gt; heh<br />
[20:19:10] &lt;p2-mate&gt; and if it doesn't give you internet access, people will quickly learn it's no use to plug into that switch<br />
[20:19:24] &lt;daven&gt; "why's there a wall wart *and* a mains cable going into the linksys"<br />
[20:19:29] &lt;p2-mate&gt; lol<br />
[20:20:30] * h01ger adds "network setup" to the missing items and wants to move on. we dont have to discuss this here and waste everybodys time. i'll work on that<br />
[20:20:30] &lt;daven&gt; ok, back to topic<br />
[20:20:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic computer set up (hardware, with a focus on software. but not software setup yet)<br />
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[20:21:00] &lt;daven&gt; just assign the computers static IP addresses on the wiki<br />
[20:21:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, there wont be time for wiki :)<br />
[20:21:24] &lt;p2-mate&gt; paper<br />
[20:21:25] &lt;daven&gt; I've tested the computer I'm bringing with dvsource, it seems happy enough<br />
[20:21:35] &lt;WombleToo&gt; 192.168.42.n where n is the laptop number<br />
[20:21:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats why bringing a linksys: the external ip of the linksys will be dhcp, and internally we'll use our static ips<br />
[20:21:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; so lets go with that plan<br />
[20:21:59] &lt;WombleToo&gt; so configure the dvswitch host address as 192.168.42.1<br />
[20:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop1 from daven. 1cpu, 2ghz, builtin firewire, can expand to handling two sources using firewire via pccard <br />
[20:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop2 from p2-mate. g3, firewire via pccard <br />
[20:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop3 from holger. 1cpu, 1gz, x40 <br />
[20:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop4 from gismo. X60: 2CPUs, 2GHz, builtin Firewire <br />
[20:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; server on the net needs to be set up - we can use apu for that, but can "only" use 70-80mbit from it. Should be plenty.<br />
[20:22:18] &lt;daven&gt; We should set up a user and password on all the machines, that can be logged into from the switch machine<br />
[20:22:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; is quoted from the wiki<br />
[20:22:28] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: and the gateway address will be...?<br />
[20:22:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; .42.254<br />
[20:22:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, thats software :) we're at hardware :)<br />
[20:23:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; which laptop will be the dvswitch one?<br />
[20:23:08] &lt;daven&gt; ok<br />
[20:23:09] &lt;p2-mate&gt; 4 ?<br />
[20:23:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop3 is broken,btw<br />
[20:23:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; though amaya offered her x40 as replacement<br />
[20:23:34] &lt;daven&gt; laptop1 can be dvswitch<br />
[20:23:39] &lt;daven&gt; laptop4 can be encoding machine<br />
[20:23:57] &lt;daven&gt; laptop2 can be the grab machine<br />
[20:24:01] &lt;daven&gt; for camera 1<br />
[20:24:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; which will grab camera2 ?<br />
[20:24:31] &lt;p2-mate&gt; 4 ?<br />
[20:24:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; and which will grab the vga2dv devoce?<br />
[20:24:38] &lt;p2-mate&gt; 1 ?<br />
[20:25:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; 2 ghz should be capable of that...<br />
[20:25:38] &lt;p2-mate&gt; yeah, problem may be cabling though <br />
[20:26:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; ?<br />
[20:26:36] &lt;p2-mate&gt; well, the grabbing laptop should be close to its source<br />
[20:27:07] &lt;p2-mate&gt; so that means the dvswitch laptop needs to be close to the conversion box<br />
[20:27:13] &lt;p2-mate&gt; is that feasible ?<br />
[20:27:29] &lt;p2-mate&gt; otoh, the encoding laptop needs no operator<br />
[20:27:35] &lt;p2-mate&gt; so that can be anywhere<br />
[20:29:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop1, 192.168.42.1, dvswitch and grabber for vga2dv device. brought by daven.<br />
[20:29:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop2, 192.168.42.2, grabber for camera 2, brought by p2-mate. <br />
[20:29:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; laptop3, 192.168.42.3, encoding and grabber for camera 1, brought by gismo.<br />
[20:30:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; is whats on the wiki atm<br />
[20:30:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; and the vga2dv device will be close to the speaker<br />
[20:30:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; so probably not a good location for the dvswitch operator :)<br />
[20:30:32] &lt;daven&gt; ok<br />
[20:30:45] &lt;daven&gt; camera 2 will be at the front of the room too<br />
[20:31:23] * h01ger is not convinced the above is a *good* setup<br />
[20:32:14] * h01ger is actually not conviced that camera2 is a good idea in that room at all, but i said so long time ago already and well, lets keep it with 2 now..<br />
[20:32:57] &lt;daven&gt; hm<br />
[20:33:06] &lt;WombleToo&gt; why not put the switcher near camera 2?<br />
[20:33:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; dont we want dvswitch and grabber for camera1 and encoding and vga2dv grabber combined?<br />
[20:33:20] &lt;daven&gt; laptop1 and laptop3 dvswitch / encoding can be switched<br />
[20:33:24] &lt;daven&gt; and that would be more sane<br />
[20:33:26] &lt;daven&gt; so <br />
[20:33:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, yes, thats what i suggested<br />
[20:33:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; we're will camera 2 be?<br />
[20:33:55] &lt;WombleToo&gt; in the corner probably<br />
[20:35:39] &lt;hermanr&gt; Next to the speaker? :-P<br />
[20:35:48] &lt;hermanr&gt; (faceing the audience)<br />
[20:36:05] &lt;daven&gt; yes, somewhere it can pick out people asking questions and isn't too much in the way<br />
[20:36:29] &lt;daven&gt; Do we have a section on cables yet on the wiki?<br />
[20:38:13] &lt;WombleToo&gt; and how about the disk?<br />
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[20:38:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://layer-acht.org/fosdem2007.xcf<br />
[20:38:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; is a fast scetch<br />
[20:38:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, no cable section yet<br />
[20:39:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; which disk?<br />
[20:39:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; external storage hd?<br />
[20:39:11] &lt;WombleToo&gt; For recording<br />
[20:39:14] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Who's bringing it?<br />
[20:39:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; good question<br />
[20:39:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; i plan to bring a 200gb hd with debconf7 videos on it..<br />
[20:39:49] &lt;WombleToo&gt; I can probably free up a disk <br />
[20:39:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; i could also bring a 300gb empty hd<br />
[20:40:33] &lt;hermanr&gt; 13 hours ~ 170 GB.<br />
[20:41:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; ok, so i shall bring that disc<br />
[20:41:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, p2-mate, gismo: can you bring a 5-10min ethernet cable together with your computer, please? :)<br />
[20:42:22] &lt;p2-mate&gt; 10min ethernet cable ?<br />
[20:42:36] &lt;p2-mate&gt; cable which lasts for 10 minutes ? :)<br />
[20:42:41] * h01ger kicks^wgrins at p2-mate <br />
[20:43:23] &lt;p2-mate&gt; timeunits don't work very well for cablelenghts :P<br />
[20:43:33] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Sure they do, just multiply by c<br />
[20:43:39] &lt;edrz&gt; that would be a very very long ethernet cable<br />
[20:43:47] &lt;p2-mate&gt; and before you ask, no I'm not bringing a 10 lightminute cable<br />
[20:43:53] &lt;edrz&gt; hehhe<br />
[20:43:54] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Feh<br />
[20:43:54] &lt;p2-mate&gt; indeed<br />
[20:44:12] &lt;p2-mate&gt; I think the airline would object<br />
[20:44:43] &lt;daven&gt; rofl<br />
[20:45:00] &lt;daven&gt; "well, it was an ugly hack to get ethernet to work to the far side of the sun, but we did it"<br />
[20:45:01] * hermanr tries to calculate the mass...<br />
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[20:45:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://layer-acht.org/fosdem2008.xcf with more positions, please look at it<br />
[20:45:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; i can provide jpg too if you want<br />
[20:45:32] &lt;daven&gt; yeah may be nice<br />
[20:45:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; the question is, do we want dvswitch at camera1 or 2 position?<br />
[20:46:35] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Also where's the audio mixer going?<br />
[20:46:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; .oO( arg )<br />
[20:46:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; good catch<br />
[20:47:00] &lt;p2-mate&gt; xcf ?<br />
[20:47:07] &lt;daven&gt; I can get about 10m of audio cable for mixer -> dv converter<br />
[20:47:09] &lt;hermanr&gt; p2-mate: Gimp native<br />
[20:47:14] &lt;p2-mate&gt; ah<br />
[20:47:15] * h01ger sees us occupy the first row on the right<br />
[20:47:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, please bring<br />
[20:47:34] &lt;daven&gt; h01ger: surely you mean the back row<br />
[20:47:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; and add to the wiki<br />
[20:47:41] &lt;daven&gt; ok<br />
[20:47:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, for some reason we didnt use the back row last year but rather the first or 2nd<br />
[20:48:47] &lt;daven&gt; hm, back row seems most sane, as we disturb the least people if we need to move<br />
[20:50:05] &lt;hermanr&gt; Have you verified that the audio preamp on the VGA2DV box doesn't suck?<br />
[20:50:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; so put audio mixer and dvswitch laptop in the back row? and grab camera 1 or 2 from there..<br />
[20:50:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, not yet<br />
[20:51:50] &lt;daven&gt; hermanr: our other option would be going into a mic input of a consumer camcorder at line level<br />
[20:51:54] &lt;daven&gt; which would not be pretty<br />
[20:52:07] * h01ger gets another beverage of choice<br />
[20:52:52] &lt;hermanr&gt; Was this a 45 minute meeting?<br />
[20:52:59] &lt;p2-mate&gt; no<br />
[20:53:04] &lt;p2-mate&gt; a 52 minute meeting<br />
[20:54:25] * h01ger didnt think this was the plan at all. not if we forget last weeks meeting<br />
[20:54:29] &lt;edrz&gt; p2-mate: hermanr it's 2 45 minute meetings held consecutively.<br />
[20:55:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; but okay, move on and sort this out later. or now?<br />
[20:55:59] &lt;hermanr&gt; *birds chirping, people whistling*<br />
[20:56:08] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Let me test the VGA-DV box first<br />
[20:56:24] &lt;WombleToo&gt; (which will be after the meeting)<br />
[20:56:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, definitly. <br />
[20:56:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; so lets move on<br />
[20:57:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action computer placement and usage needs to be finalized after Womble2 tested the sound qualitfy of the vga2dv box<br />
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[20:57:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic software set up<br />
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[20:57:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; we want one definied user everywhere<br />
[20:57:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; and use the packages from apt.debconf.org?!<br />
[20:58:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; will we have etch everywhere or some woody boxes around? or sid?<br />
[20:58:22] &lt;p2-mate&gt; my laptop is etch<br />
[20:58:38] &lt;p2-mate&gt; and has dvsource installed<br />
[20:59:00] &lt;p2-mate&gt; and has a user called 'root' <br />
[20:59:47] &lt;WombleToo&gt; password "toor"?<br />
[21:00:51] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Oh god I have to deal with Visual C++  .NET<br />
[21:01:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; Womble2!<br />
[21:01:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; you make my eyes bleed!<br />
[21:01:23] &lt;p2-mate&gt; so what else is needed sw wise ?<br />
[21:01:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; poor you!<br />
[21:01:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; deb http://cmburns.debconf.org/dc-admin/archive/ etch/i386/<br />
[21:01:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; deb http://cmburns.debconf.org/dc-admin/archive/ etch/all/<br />
[21:01:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; is what should be in sources.list<br />
[21:02:16] &lt;Ganneff&gt; # own repository<br />
[21:02:17] &lt;Ganneff&gt; deb http://db.debconf.org/dc-admin/archive/ etch/amd64/<br />
[21:02:17] &lt;Ganneff&gt; deb http://db.debconf.org/dc-admin/archive/ etch/all/<br />
[21:02:24] &lt;Ganneff&gt; this is what should be in sources.list<br />
[21:02:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; Ganneff, resp. i386 i assume :)<br />
[21:03:02] * p2-mate notes his laptop is a ppc<br />
[21:03:02] &lt;Ganneff&gt; yes<br />
[21:03:14] &lt;Ganneff&gt; we dont have ppc there, as we dont have a ppc machine.<br />
[21:03:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; isnt dvsource arch all anyway?<br />
[21:03:27] &lt;Ganneff&gt; if someone gives me ppc builts of sources placed there - i place them there.<br />
[21:03:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; Ganneff, cool. we'll keep that in mind :)<br />
[21:03:47] &lt;p2-mate&gt; I compiled it myself from the svn tree<br />
[21:04:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; Womble2, can you provide authoritive versions and .dsc files again? :)<br />
[21:04:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; +please<br />
[21:07:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; we should also probably put the configs in svn, like for debconf, or at least on the list. i planned to set up a test environment, but as the x40 didnt work and a customers machine went amok, i didnt. but this is definitly my plan for tomorrow or wednesday. and document the setup on the way<br />
[21:07:22] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: Will do<br />
[21:07:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; and test apu as icecast server for the world<br />
[21:07:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, great<br />
[21:07:42] &lt;WombleToo&gt; h01ger: dvsource is arch: any<br />
[21:08:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; cheers<br />
[21:09:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; so are we done for now?<br />
[21:10:15] &lt;p2-mate&gt; yes<br />
[21:10:20] &lt;WombleToo&gt; Looks like it<br />
[21:11:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; cheers!<br />
[21:11:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic beverage of choice<br />
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[21:11:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; thanks for joining in!<br />
[21:11:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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