16:55:18 #startmeeting DC25 orga team meeting. Agenda: https://deb.li/dc25meet 16:55:18 Meeting started Tue Nov 26 16:55:18 2024 UTC. The chair is pwaring. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:55:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:55:23 #topic Roll call 16:55:26 as always, say hi if you're here 16:55:47 hi o/ 16:55:51 pwaring is early but DLange is here :o) 16:56:07 argh yes that's Nextcloud not doing reminders at the right time :) 16:56:10 we'll give it a few minutes 16:56:15 hi! 16:56:33 * tumbleweed is on a train on the way to the airport, after the site visit 16:56:37 We should get Nextcloud to sponsor us again :o) 16:56:53 so I'll probably switch to a phone during the meeting and maybe drop off for a bit 16:58:15 o/ 16:58:20 heya! 16:58:30 Hi 16:58:57 ah yes the site visit team leaves today, hope that was informational 17:00:10 hi! 17:00:10 ok *now* it's 17:00 :) 17:00:50 somewhere. 17:01:24 * pwaring is in UTC 17:01:40 you are in the clouds :) 17:03:14 #topic DC25: Site Visit report back 17:03:25 let me quickly start 17:03:26 So, we looked at all of the proposed rooms in the venue: 17:03:30 Photos: https://people.debian.org/~stefanor/dc25-site-visit/ 17:03:37 I think we're pretty set on which room is being used for what, for the main talk rooms 17:03:43 BoF rooms and some hacklabs are classrooms, fairly strightforward 17:03:47 Front Desk is still being figured out 17:03:52 Venue security will be an issue, so we'll have to have greeters at the entrance 17:04:04 with bag checks? 17:04:17 maybe? we'll see what the security situation is at the time 17:04:35 Video looks doable. We expect to have good support from the network team 17:04:47 And we can use venue AV equipment - they have *almost* everything we need 17:05:05 I'm waiting on some floor plans that we can measure cable runs on, and then we can mock up some layouts 17:05:43 that's all I thought about bringing up, but we'll obviously cover more stuff in later sections of the meeting 17:05:48 what's the issue with the venue security you are expecting? 17:05:51 @ bag checks, il will depend on the “terrorist attack level” in place then 17:06:06 I don’t think we’ll need that tho 17:06:10 we're expecting to have to hire some venue security ourselves, but that's not for any explicit check role 17:06:26 but the venue wants attendees to be identified and badged 17:06:32 so we'll have to meet them at the entrance and issue badges 17:06:50 the ones doing the identification will be one of ours 17:06:51 we're thinking we can do that by having badge printing in the entrance corridor, on the busy days 17:07:07 maybe they'll be escorted to somewhere else on quieter days 17:07:10 external security are just for… well, security 17:07:26 or have badges pre-printed, we know who's gonna arrive 17:07:35 that’ll be a waste 17:07:38 yeah, we could 17:07:44 cuz 10-ish% don’t show up 17:08:04 I think the waste in swag is probably far worse 17:08:04 bensmrs: who cares? We'll waste more than 50 sheets of paper 17:08:04 is this because of the nearby national security operations, or just generally security concerns of the campus? 17:08:33 DLange: you probably don’t, and I’m not here to convince you otherwise 17:08:45 the venue will also want the government names of all attendees beforehand 17:08:54 disaster2life, AFAIK, general national policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigipirate 17:08:58 but the ydon't have to be on badges 17:08:58 disaster2life: no, it’s pretty regular stuff 17:09:07 well, its sheets of paper, wasted ink, wasted lanyards, and plastic badge holders, but for those most certainly arriving, we could if they give us a heads up? 17:09:43 disaster2life: we'll have to have those lanyards and holders anyway 17:09:50 let's not get caught up on this detail, now 17:09:54 it's really just a detail 17:10:08 ah that seems interesting on the security levels 17:10:24 is there anything else anyone wants to ask about the site visit? 17:10:37 but nothing really new about security, it’s already been talked aboutw 17:10:50 tumbleweed: it is, we'll figure out a good method to deal with it 17:12:04 #topic DC25: Sponsors & Fundraising 17:13:41 both sahilister and EnkelenaHaxhiu[m] have started to spam sponsors 17:14:25 spam :p 17:14:41 we have no leads for local sponsors yet 17:15:02 we had some discussion about this, on site too 17:15:17 I think there are some ideas in the local team, but the yhaven't found the right entry-points 17:15:18 cool, can you share the gist? 17:15:41 the gist is that there are companies they want to go after. They need to work contacts 17:16:09 I think the local team should ask buxy for leads 17:16:20 Freexian has a lot of French company contacts 17:16:40 (through the LTS / ELTS sponsoring) 17:16:55 We’re starting to contact public sponsors and have transmitted the brochure to the school’s partner companies 17:17:29 DLange: yeah. LTS has a list of public sponsors, we looked thorugh them 17:17:36 great 17:17:40 (and of course there are more, if Freexian is willing to be involved in that) 17:18:22 ok shall we leave it there for now then 17:18:22 ask, they could send the brochure to their contacts 17:18:36 lots of gain for very little effort on the local team's side... 17:19:13 #topic DC25: Organization 17:19:34 https://github.com/freescout-help-desk/freescout 17:19:36 so, I have a couple of organization topics 17:20:14 1. Should we consider using a helpdesk style mail system for team aliases? 17:20:28 EMF has been using freescout, so nattie and I have seen it 17:20:37 it's AGPL, and from my PoV, seems fine. But I've never tried to run it 17:21:00 I'd like it to be easier for people to work together on responding to queries 17:21:28 At the moment, it's hard to know if something is being thought about, or got an out-of-band reply 17:21:58 we can try it a year and if it works make it the default and if not, go back to distribution lists 17:22:08 it would also solve the issue we sometimes have where someone's anti-spam policy bounces a mail (if they're simple distribution lists rather than mailing lists) 17:22:17 yeah, that was horrible 17:22:27 nattie seems willing. I can organize a debian.net VM for it 17:22:48 sounds like it's worth spinning up and making sure it does everything, if you're happy to do that? 17:22:58 seems good, think it would provide a direct point of contact for issues? 17:23:12 we can always fallback to lists if something goes horribly wrong 17:23:14 it'll be a mess of private data. But I do prefer that to spewing private data at a range of team members 17:23:28 disaster2life: yes, I'd propose using it for registration@ and visa@ 17:23:31 disaster2life: it's the same email aliases, just a collaborative way of reading / answering them 17:23:32 maybe more 17:24:25 ok, are we agreed on using freescout? 17:24:42 tumbleweed: that'd very much help visa and registration team collaboration I guess 17:24:57 great 17:24:58 we'll try 17:25:13 my 2nd issue here was tracking work for dc25 17:25:34 we've used gitlab issues in recent years for cross-team dependencies 17:25:41 shall we put them in https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc25 ? (I can turn issues on) 17:25:41 DLange: looking at it, think it'll hopefully provide more on the response point too? but yeah, good for easier collaboration 17:25:44 #agreed freescout to be used for registration and visa team emails 17:26:49 tumbleweed: do we have a better alternative? 17:27:00 (I don't think we have...?!?) 17:27:07 I think they're currently using a pad 17:27:19 salsa issues was what I was going to suggest as well 17:27:22 either more of us need access, or we need to push/interrogate the pad via IRC :P 17:27:24 pretty convenient 17:27:28 we are using a shared pad, but the url is not public, cuz it contains sensitive data 17:27:56 "we" as in the local team? 17:27:58 most of it can be made public somewhere else tho 17:28:01 DLange: yep 17:28:05 sorry :)( 17:28:15 bensmrs: you think you can move the public stuff to issues? 17:28:17 it's all French to me anyways :D 17:28:22 haha 17:28:23 would probably at some point want to clean up all the issues from all the other debconfs too I think :p 17:28:28 we can do private issues too, if you need them 17:28:37 obvs you'll probably want some more tracking on top of issues 17:28:39 gitlab has boards 17:28:42 and there are other things too 17:28:43 tumbleweed: well, I can give you access to the pad and you’ll maybe help transform it into issues 17:28:50 but really the pad format works well for us 17:29:03 “us” as in the local team :) 17:29:07 then keep it? 17:29:26 * tumbleweed needs to get off a train in a minute 17:29:27 sure but I think the point tumbleweed tries to raise is that more people will want access to it 17:29:38 well, we have things we need to ask you and probably vice-versa 17:29:38 then share the access? 17:29:42 you'll need to scale up above the pad 17:29:47 again… sigh… there are private data 17:29:57 so maybe make another public one 17:30:08 and there’ll be grunt work to sync both… 17:30:13 well, then convert the shareable part to issues I suppose 17:30:27 or remove what is too private from the pad 17:30:36 we need the private parts 17:30:36 no need to have your blood sugar values there 17:30:53 DLange: unless they really need to keep it? 17:30:57 removing the private part is not an option. the data reamins in the history 17:30:58 names and addresses of who is managing what, confidential prices, stuff like that 17:31:18 You don't need to change that 17:31:27 We just need a way to work with your team 17:31:30 your confidential prices will be in public ledger soon 17:31:40 yes, but not noz 17:31:42 And we only see you here regularly 17:31:42 now 17:31:52 there’s something called mutual trust when you talk to a commercial party 17:31:57 :) 17:32:17 most prices will be public on Jan 17:32:20 I'm not saying open everything 17:32:44 but most names need to stay private, although we need to ping them from time to time to check how everything is going 17:32:47 I'm saying I need to file an issue somewhere saying that video team is blocked on floorplans 17:33:00 I’ll try to remove most sensitive data 17:33:05 let's not convolute the topic and agree ont the part that we need some method to collaborate 17:33:08 And there currently isn't anywhere that your team looks at 17:33:39 well now we have the private repo :) 17:33:50 and the other floor plans will arrive this week 17:33:54 OK 17:34:05 Public one has issues on now, too 17:34:12 Note on FreeScout: That seems to be open core and lots of functionality is in paid (AGPL) modules 17:34:17 #link https://freescout.net/modules/ 17:34:23 Yeah 17:35:05 Eww saved replies is paid 17:35:10 let's have both things then, we (local team) can still use the pad, and salsa issues for more inter-team collaboration needs 17:35:13 is there something we can agree now on issues? I'm conscious of time 17:35:17 Maybe I need to look at other options again 17:35:55 we use zammad for CCC Congress 17:35:59 just as a data point 17:36:21 Thanks! 17:36:57 eww was it painful last time I used it :D 17:36:59 I think what santiago said doesn't exactly have disagreement? it might just be a pain to keep up with both system though 17:37:19 ok, let's go with pad for local and salsa for inter-team for now 17:37:41 let’s say we have yet no inter-team stuff to actually deal with :) 17:37:57 except video/local, but it’s handled on a private repo 17:38:00 #topic DC25: Venue 17:38:05 It starts coming now 17:38:22 tumblingweed: I think freescout might not be usable at all? the "teams module" seems to be a paid module 17:38:30 is there anythign on venue that wasn't covered under the site visit? 17:38:33 Train arrives. Brb 17:38:39 nah everything covered :) 17:38:41 oh 17:38:48 we may want to book new rooms 17:39:08 bensmrs, there will be registration, content, ... that will need some collaboration too 17:39:08 after site visit, we’ve found several rooms that looked interesting to tumblingweed and nattie 17:39:11 is that something we need to decide/agree now? 17:39:16 santiago: I know :) 17:39:18 or needs further investigation 17:40:18 just interesting rooms we could use for BoFs or social spaces and such? 17:41:06 pwaring, I don't think there is anything we need to decide now 17:41:12 but I can be wrong :-) 17:41:36 disaster2life: hacklabs 17:41:43 ok let's move on then 17:41:48 #topic DC25: Accommodation 17:41:49 and small meeting rooms 17:41:57 and the no-so-used-recently dpl room :) 17:42:11 there were some questions about booking a couple of more extra interesting rooms, but nothing that can be handled offline 17:42:12 peb is handling the campsite 17:42:47 let’s say we couldn’t get there in time because of a road accident… 17:43:21 anything else on accommodation? 17:43:33 more news to come soon, but we’re pretty fixed since last month on this topic! 17:43:55 DPL room? that sounds cool :) 17:44:02 #topic DC25: Food 17:44:13 last time catering options were being investigated 17:44:18 That’s the trick part :) 17:44:26 but I don't think we had anything specific nailed down 17:44:42 some people are pushing for a one-caterer event 17:44:52 I’m getting more and more convinced that it’s *not* possible 17:45:11 we’re still exploring options, but we’ll most probably have to deal with multiple caterers 17:45:21 so what about the one for debcamp and one for debconf idea? 17:45:26 bensmrs, why? 17:45:41 santiago? 17:45:42 weepingclown: think its more so about the different meals in a day iirc 17:45:49 not sire what you’re asking 17:46:13 bensmrs, it wouldn't be possible to have a single caterer 17:46:29 well have we found one yet? 17:47:03 nop, but I was wondering if I was missing any technical or some restriction 17:47:15 I’m not saying it’s impossible 17:47:33 I still have to ask around 17:47:43 if it's still under investigation shall we have an update at the next meeting (if there is something agreed by then) 17:47:53 But the fact that day 1 of DebConf is our national holiday, it gets tricky 17:48:12 sure pwaring 17:48:22 #topic DC25: Website 17:48:43 presumably the website is a work in progress, unless there's something specific we need to discuss? 17:49:05 I think tumbleweed did some work on the website I assume he still is still commuting 17:49:10 and the related logo/artwork call for proposal has been made 17:49:13 I have some things to implement 17:49:30 But I'm not currently swimming with time 17:49:32 @ logo, we may want to advertise it on more channels, I dunno 17:49:40 So help would be handy 17:50:05 #info help needed with website tasks 17:50:35 tumblingweed: I could try and help, I was able to at least get to setting up the env last in busan 17:50:37 tumblingweed: I thought about some ideas that'd make life easier for front desk last time (still have to remember what all) 17:50:41 anything else on the website? 17:50:56 can I ping you later about where I should go to implement those? 17:51:06 *if I have time* 17:51:19 bensmrs: would a bits post with the publicity team be helpful for it? don't think we sent out anything regarding it 17:51:31 Sure 17:51:39 disaster2life, it was already done 17:52:09 don't see anything on bits.debian.org, but alright 17:52:14 https://micronews.debian.org/2024/1732054774.html 17:52:24 it was sent on 19/11 17:52:26 ah, it was a micronews 17:52:37 to debconf-announce 17:53:13 well first time I hear about micronews :D 17:53:17 it might be worth a reminder 2 weeks before the deadline, which would be 1st Dec 17:53:19 ah indeed, my bad, well then lets hope it disseminates further 17:53:57 pwaring, I had the reminder in mind. thanks for writing it down 17:54:14 we've got one more thing to discuss so I'm going to move us on to try and finish for 18:00 17:54:19 #topic DC26: Schedule 17:55:09 tumblingweed: over to you 17:55:23 https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/26/Bids 17:55:25 Bid schedule 17:55:31 We need to move things along 17:56:58 Did anyone make progress in prodding bids? 17:57:33 gwolf, ^ ? 17:59:13 Hoi ( I think I'm late, will read on) 18:01:00 as no one has said anything I guess they're not arounhd? 18:01:06 I guess I can hassle people outside the meeting 18:01:16 yep let's do that 18:01:26 there is rumours about Japan, from NIIBEYutaka[m] 18:01:39 #topic Meeting schedule 18:01:41 well, I know at least the Japanese team is making progress 18:01:49 next meetings will be 10th December, 7th January 18:01:59 I'm assuming we don't want to meet on Christmas Eve... 18:02:21 #topic AoB 18:02:23 anything else? 18:03:11 My backpack is getting the 3rd degree at CDG 18:04:07 try avoiding CDG, noted 18:04:28 try avoiding being tumblingweed ? 18:04:29 ok, thank you all for coming and see you in two weeks! 18:04:31 #endmeeting