16:58:37 <tzafrir> #startmeeting 16:58:37 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Aug 14 16:58:37 2023 UTC. The chair is tzafrir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:58:37 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:58:53 <tumblingweed> Hi 16:59:20 <tzafrir> #topic Roll Call 16:59:26 <pwaring> o/ 16:59:27 <tzafrir> Let's make this formal :-) 16:59:29 <gwolf> o/ 16:59:37 <DLange> I am somewhat here but not able to pay full attention, please hilight when necessary (still fixing a door) 16:59:44 <sahilister> hello 17:00:09 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Hi o/ 17:00:32 <santiago> _rene_, I think it was about breaking that front door 17:00:35 <santiago> hi o/ 17:00:41 <kanashiro[m]1> o/ 17:02:51 <tzafrir> #topic Finance: Second installment payment for Debconf 23 venue 17:03:16 <tumblingweed> Have we got an invoice yet? 17:03:33 <tumblingweed> I'm guessing we're waiting for srud's meeting 17:04:11 <srud> Hi 17:04:48 <srud> No.. abhijith bhe[m] was supposed to send the invoice 17:05:36 <srud> It should be in process by now 17:05:41 <[pirate]praveen> Hi 17:06:13 <carina> hi 17:06:21 <tumblingweed> Oh, right I saw it I think 17:06:31 <srud> It was sent on 7th 17:07:11 <tzafrir> OK, so next item, I guess? 17:07:32 <tzafrir> #topic Sponsorship 17:08:04 <tumblingweed> There's a budget update in the works 17:08:24 <[pirate]praveen> Last date for getting logos on t shirt passed 17:08:30 <tumblingweed> Increase for swag, but I don't have the details on that, yet 17:09:22 <[pirate]praveen> FOSSEE came silver, deeproot bronze 17:09:35 <[pirate]praveen> Matanel silver 17:09:58 <DLange> Univention sent a mail, they want to sponsor, too 17:10:09 <DLange> Anisa[m] around? 17:11:15 <tzafrir> Anything else on this? 17:11:22 <DLange> Bronze for Univention 17:11:35 <DLange> Just checked the email as Anisa doesn't seem to be around 17:11:50 * DLange goes back to filing a lock frame 17:12:24 <tzafrir> #topic Import of swag 17:13:03 <[pirate]praveen> Canonical is not yet decided 17:13:35 <[pirate]praveen> If they want to send or bring with someone 17:14:43 <tumbleweed> o/ from a different device 17:15:32 <[pirate]praveen> Nothing more on this topic 17:15:38 <tzafrir> #topic #Budget update 17:15:55 <tumbleweed> srud: I went and checked on the thread. The pro-forma invoice hasn't been posted yet, we were waiting on your meeting with them 17:16:32 <tumbleweed> so, budget update: some of the things were moved around to reflect reality 17:16:45 <tumbleweed> we reallocated some team travel budget to bursaries, already 17:16:54 <tumbleweed> there's also a request to increase local team budget and swag 17:17:08 <tumbleweed> I don't have the background there, maybe someone else does? 17:18:02 <srud> tumbleweed: mail on 7th with ticket number 6553 has the attachment 17:18:04 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Yes, we had to increase the numbers from our initial budget after discussing in our last meeting and consulting with registration team. 17:18:10 <[pirate]praveen> We are planning to be close to venue by 30th itself 17:18:48 <tumbleweed> srud: ah, right. Let me get that into git 17:18:58 <DLange> what's the rationale for increasing budget(s)? 17:20:29 <srud> Swags numbers were increased to 400 17:21:00 <DLange> that's good news. More attendees, I guess? 17:21:00 <tumbleweed> that is what we budgeted for 17:21:03 <anupaannjoseph[m]> If we had lesser registrations we could have stick to our previous budget, but that is not the case now. 17:21:05 <tumbleweed> 400 I mean 17:21:06 <srud> Also, we might be saving some money at the venue front 17:21:29 <tumbleweed> oh, no 400 INR * 300 attendees. I misread 17:21:46 <anupaannjoseph[m]> tumbleweed: No, it was 300 before. Yes. 17:22:02 <tumbleweed> we're currently at 250 confirmed 17:22:09 <tumbleweed> well 244 17:22:53 <tumbleweed> the increase is 1.6 x the previous value 17:23:07 <tumbleweed> so I assume there were other cost increases / unplanned expenses too? 17:23:22 <srud> So, mostly there wont be much difference in the final invoice after we get the final invoice from hotel.. 17:23:39 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Yes, we have some additional swags on the list now. 17:25:38 <[pirate]praveen> Rare colors for t shirt also increased cost 17:26:04 <srud> *budget 17:26:18 <tumbleweed> OK. Can someone please write a short paragraph explaining the increase, for the budget update request 17:26:43 <gwolf> (sorry, got called away... reading backlog) 17:27:03 <tumbleweed> We're projecting a big loss for Debian, so we owe it to the project to justify budget increases 17:27:27 <tzafrir> Sorry, just reconnected 17:28:13 * gwolf catched up, nothing big to comment on :-) 17:28:45 <srud> tumbleweed: will do 17:29:24 <tumbleweed> thanks 17:29:42 <tumbleweed> let's move on 17:29:48 <tzafrir> #topic Registration: Numbers and room allocations for hotel 17:30:17 <tumbleweed> I understand that room allocations are basically done, for the people confirmed so far 17:30:27 <tumbleweed> we're still getting self-payers registering 17:30:38 <srud> Tomorrow is the last date to give rooming list 17:31:35 <tumbleweed> what does that mean practically? 17:31:51 <tumbleweed> When are you going to discuss our room usage reduction with them? 17:32:06 <[pirate]praveen> If we have to release some rooms, then we have to do by tomorrow 17:32:23 <tumbleweed> I understood that we were expecting to 17:32:31 <[pirate]praveen> Also discount code applies only till the final list 17:32:36 <tumbleweed> but I haven't seen the allocation spreadsheet's numbers 17:32:47 <tumbleweed> [pirate]praveen: you mean nobody can register with the code after today? 17:32:51 <tumbleweed> we should have announced that 17:33:07 <tumbleweed> that's kind of ridiculous, really. If we have unused rooms, we should be able to use them 17:33:20 <[pirate]praveen> It was in the contract 17:33:42 <srud> I will confirm about the discount code 17:33:48 <srud> *tomorrow 17:33:56 <DLange> register NN1, NN2, NN3 until we have filled the rooms we need to pay anyways 17:33:56 <[pirate]praveen> They mentioned best rate of the day after the final rooming list 17:34:19 <tumbleweed> that's not my understanding of the agreement we had with them 17:34:27 <srud> I already informed them that we will be using only around 90% 17:34:43 <tumbleweed> great 17:35:18 <srud> They are fine with it.. 17:35:48 <tumbleweed> will they subtract the self-payers from our invoices? 17:36:11 <srud> I even shared the approx rooms per night based on the rooms assigned a couple of days back.. 17:36:11 <[pirate]praveen> Their logic is, they need time to sell the rooms we are not taking 17:36:53 <tumbleweed> but if we've paid for them, they don't have them to sell 17:36:58 <srud> They blocked rooms accordie.. That is they blocked more rooms in the first week 17:37:22 <srud> tumbleweed: I think it is mostly about the 10% 17:37:25 <tumbleweed> [pirate]praveen: I see it in the contract. But the contract doesn't mention the room-night flexibility that we supposedly agreed with them 17:37:37 <[pirate]praveen> If we are taking only 90%, they have to sell remaining 17:37:56 <tumbleweed> that's fine. But I don't know that we're actually using the full 90% 17:38:17 <tumbleweed> we were very clear from the beginning that we wouldn't have an accurate list until fairly last minute, and we'd need flexibility 17:38:24 <srud> tumbleweed: based on nattie's list 2 days back, we were 17:38:37 <tumbleweed> OK 17:38:49 <tumbleweed> can we send a mail to debconf-announce saying the deadline for using the code is approaching? 17:39:02 <[pirate]praveen> The flexibility is till tomorrow 17:39:03 <srud> Yes.. That should be helpful 17:39:14 <tumbleweed> I know there were people asking for it today who haven't got it yet 17:39:37 <srud> I will ask them to extend the code booking a few days more 17:39:46 <tumbleweed> it will help them to sell rooms :) 17:40:50 <srud> Yes.. Will call them tomorrow 17:40:58 <srud> And give an update 17:41:53 <tumbleweed> thanks srud! 17:42:24 <tzafrir> #topic Bursaries 17:42:36 <tumbleweed> bursaries are done 17:42:44 <tumbleweed> some people still haven't accepted their bursaries 17:42:45 <utkarsh2102> yep 17:42:49 <tumbleweed> everyone is assuming they won't turn up, at this point 17:42:56 <utkarsh2102> nothing to report there, really 17:43:13 <utkarsh2102> tumbleweed: there are two people (DDs) who haven’t accepted their travel bursary 17:43:18 <utkarsh2102> perhaps cancel them? 17:43:45 <tumbleweed> utkarsh2102: have you pinged them? 17:44:02 <utkarsh2102> nah, not yet 17:44:06 <tumbleweed> please do 17:44:25 <tumbleweed> last night I cancelled the attendance of people who selected "can't attend without a bursary" and didn't get one 17:44:25 <utkarsh2102> I was hoping the registration mail ping would cover that 17:44:49 <tumbleweed> probably worth reaching out on irc/private mail 17:45:06 <utkarsh2102> gotcha 17:45:37 <tzafrir> #topic Visa - Security clearance from MHA and Political clearance from MEA 17:45:43 <nattiemh[m]> (Hi, sorry I'm late) 17:46:02 <[pirate]praveen> Political clearance in process 17:46:26 <[pirate]praveen> We gave extra details they asked about participants from some countries 17:46:35 <[pirate]praveen> Hoping to get by next week 17:46:50 <tumbleweed> great 17:46:51 <[pirate]praveen> 35 invitation letters signed and shared 17:46:53 * tumbleweed -> phone again 17:47:21 <[pirate]praveen> Office holidays for weekend, independence day 17:47:29 <[pirate]praveen> Got replies on friday 17:48:07 <[pirate]praveen> We requested them to expedite. 17:48:44 <[pirate]praveen> Roughly 40 more invite letters to sign 17:49:04 <tumblingweed> I got mine, thanks! 17:49:25 <[pirate]praveen> That would be all from visa team for now 17:49:55 <tzafrir> #topic Swag payments 17:50:08 <tumblingweed> They're in progress 17:50:10 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Hi 17:50:33 <anupaannjoseph[m]> We have 7 swag items in the kit now, including stickers. 17:50:46 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Placed orders for all. 17:51:00 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Received invoice from some and waiting for others. 17:51:23 <tzafrir> #topic Content: update 17:51:26 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Some advance payments are already done, Debian-ch paid advance for T-shirts. 17:51:34 <tzafrir> #undo 17:51:34 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x1488b10> 17:51:57 <anupaannjoseph[m]> One of our sponsors is paying for mugs. 17:52:34 <anupaannjoseph[m]> And we're waiting for the payment of others as we receive those invoices. 17:52:42 <srud> Bottles advance. I paid.. Hope to get the rest paid by FOSSUNITED or SPI 17:54:24 <srud> I think we can move on 17:54:31 <tzafrir> #topic Content: update 17:54:46 <santiago> o/ 17:55:12 <santiago> kanashiro[m]1, tassia and myself took the lead, since terceiro was busy 17:55:14 <nattie> tzafrir: *wave* 17:55:31 <santiago> We are received so far 101 submissions. From those: 17:55:31 <santiago> 77 accepted 17:55:31 <santiago> 5 not-accepted 17:55:31 <santiago> 7 under consideration 17:55:31 <santiago> 9 (recently) submitted 17:55:32 <santiago> 3 withdrawn 17:56:05 <tzafrir> #addchair nattie 17:56:08 <gwolf> meh... following meetings at work tends to interruptions :-\ 17:56:21 <santiago> terceiro is working on setting up the schedule 17:56:28 <nattie> (not sure that worked, but we'll find the right command) 17:57:03 <[pirate]praveen> All Brazil team :) 17:57:21 <santiago> are there any questions on that? 17:57:37 <terceiro> her 17:57:37 <terceiro> here 17:57:54 <terceiro> I need some answers from the local for theschedule 17:58:09 <srud> terceiro: will share just after meeting 17:58:09 <terceiro> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/websites/dc23/-/merge_requests/80 17:58:15 <santiago> that was the second point :-) 17:58:19 <terceiro> see the checklist on the above MR 17:58:39 <terceiro> srud: ack; thanks 17:58:43 <tzafrir> #chair nattie 17:58:43 <MeetBot> Current chairs: nattie tzafrir 17:58:49 <nattie> merci 17:59:05 * nattie takes over for the moment because tzafrir is low on laptop battery 17:59:25 <nattie> anything else on content? 17:59:41 <santiago> yes 18:00:18 <santiago> we need some confirmation it would be possible to have a couple of activities proposed by Joenio 18:00:37 <nattie> this is the algorave stuff, right? 18:00:40 <santiago> that is on debconf-team@l.d.o 18:00:49 <santiago> yes, the algorave and https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/59-live-coding-atelier-permanent-art-experimentation-engineering/ 18:00:51 <gwolf> Yes, for which he asked _very_ early on 18:01:28 <srud> santiago: if we are having those events, we get a license for playing music 18:01:41 <nattie> how long does that take to process? 18:01:48 <srud> Exact cost of the same, will have to check 18:02:08 <santiago> srud, could you answer Joenio on the mailing list, please? 18:02:18 <srud> nattie: no idea.. Maybe a couple of days 18:02:27 <joeniocosta[m]> Hi. 18:02:36 <gwolf> srud: Do you have any idea if it is too expensive to add? 18:02:43 <srud> Also, we should have someone take up the responsibility to get the license 18:02:53 <srud> gwolf: no.. 18:03:16 <anupaannjoseph[m]> https://iprs.org/ 18:03:20 <joeniocosta[m]> For those events there is no plan to play recorded music. 18:03:27 <gwolf> FWIW we _need_ to cover this... Joenio started requesting this very early on, and we always answered that we would take charge of it, asking him to wait for Content team to open CfP and whatnot... 18:03:48 <srud> joeniocosta[m]: we understand.. But hotel people are not ready to take the risk 18:04:16 <joeniocosta[m]> I mean, the algorave proposal. I tried to understand this IPRS months ago but I couldn't. 18:04:17 <gwolf> Of course. We should get the music license in whatever way the venue requests it to be. 18:05:57 <nattie> i guess it would be classified as live music? 18:06:10 <joeniocosta[m]> If the time allows and the price is not so expensive then it would be nice to get the IPRS license. 18:06:44 <joeniocosta[m]> It could be classified as live music from my point of view. 18:06:52 <srud> I will get back with the price 18:06:55 <[pirate]praveen> We need someone to volunteer 18:07:31 <[pirate]praveen> To take up the iprs application 18:07:48 <nattie> i think it's the public performance license from https://iprs.org/licences/ 18:07:48 <gwolf> (I guess we need a _local_ volunteer ;-) ) 18:07:53 <nattie> but someone would need to confirm 18:09:12 <nattie> do we have anyone willing to look into it? 18:09:24 <nattie> i *think* the info is here https://iprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/IHL-CL-Hotels-Guest-Houses.pdf 18:09:50 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Ok, I'll take that up if there's no one else. 18:10:15 <santiago> anupaannjoseph[m], great. thank you! 18:10:23 <gwolf> anupaannjoseph[m]: Thanks! 18:10:34 <nattie> #action anupaannjoseph[m] to investigate public performance music license 18:10:39 <anupaannjoseph[m]> np. :) 18:10:40 <nattie> is that everything from content for now? 18:10:55 <santiago> nattie, one last thing 18:10:56 <kanashiro[m]1> we also need to ask local team if they plan any activity on the last Sunday, or if it is the "departure day" 18:11:12 <nattie> i believe that to be the departure day, but i'm not localteam as such 18:11:21 <nattie> do you mean the 17th? 18:11:30 <gwolf> kanashiro[m]1: I guess you mean something like the post-DebConf BBQ we have had in several venues? 18:11:34 * santiago will have to leave soon. parental duties 18:11:49 <kanashiro[m]1> gwolf (IRC): yes, exactly 18:12:09 <kanashiro[m]1> nattie (IRC): 17th, yes 18:12:46 <nattie> i defer to localteam here 18:12:50 <gwolf> for localteam -- If it is not yet planned: Don't take it as a "must be" 18:13:01 <gwolf> It is something nice, but we don't always have it 18:13:23 <gwolf> ...And adding complexity to a DebConf is not something we should push! ;-) 18:13:45 <srud> I will have a meeting with content team leads to discuss specifics of the schedule 18:14:20 <srud> gwolf: since we don't have BBQ culture much in India.. We are planning a different themed after party 18:14:41 <gwolf> Of course. And BBQs tend to be veggie-unfriendly 18:15:00 * gwolf thinks nattie would appreciate a gobi-fest! 18:15:03 <kanashiro[m]1> srud (IRC): OK, we can discuss this during our meeting then 18:15:04 <nattie> however, the operative word is "after", here 18:15:25 * santiago says bye! 18:15:28 <nattie> #action srud and content team to discuss specifics of the schedule later 18:15:29 <gwolf> santiago: o/ 18:15:34 * nattie waves at santiago! 18:15:36 <srud> kanashiro[m]1: sure 18:16:10 <kanashiro[m]1> I think that's all from the content team 18:16:16 <nattie> thank you :) 18:16:21 <nattie> #topic video team 18:16:29 <nattie> so, equipment hire? 18:16:55 <tumblingweed> We'll get news next week apparently 18:17:16 <nattie> #info we will have news about local equipment hire next week 18:17:21 <nattie> anything else from videoteam? 18:17:36 <tumblingweed> Nope 18:18:08 <nattie> ##topic Progress on Haifa DebConf 18:18:14 <nattie> tzafrir: all yours 18:18:17 <gwolf> double-hash 18:18:21 <gwolf> nattie: re-topic 18:18:25 <nattie> #topic Progress on Haifa DebConf 18:18:32 <nattie> tzafrir: still all yours :) 18:19:00 <tzafrir> Had a site visit 18:19:51 <nattie> which we very much enjoyed 18:19:58 <nattie> thanks again for the hospitality 18:20:23 <tzafrir> We sadly got a negative reply from the EE faculty. 18:20:29 <carina> thank you for the visit and the help 18:21:31 <gwolf> ... What can be shared with the team about the visit? :-) 18:21:52 <gwolf> (oh, sorry, didn't read tzafrir's 2nd line) 18:22:05 <gwolf> ...But we still push for the CS faculty, am I right? 18:22:10 <nattie> yes 18:22:19 <nattie> we are cautiously optimistic about CS 18:23:37 <nattie> is there anything we can add for the moment? 18:24:03 <nattie> we viewed various bits of the campus, and photos are available 18:24:15 <carina> unfortunately not yet 18:24:39 <nattie> https://people.debian.org/~stefanor/dc24-haifa-photos/ 18:24:52 <nattie> (just to demonstrate how much we saw) 18:25:11 <gwolf> You went? You saw? Did you conquer? 18:25:40 <efraim> not EE, but maybe CS 18:25:46 <nattie> we're still working on the conquering 18:26:04 <nattie> wrong chat 18:26:39 <nattie> i think that's about it for Haifa news, for now 18:26:54 <nattie> #topic meeting schedule 18:27:04 <nattie> next week, same bat time, same bat channel? 18:27:18 <nattie> by which time, Debian will have turned 30. will you still trust it? 18:27:45 <nattie> #agreed Next meeting 21 August, 17:00 UTC 18:27:52 <nattie> #topic AOB 18:28:08 <[pirate]praveen> We will be mapping amenities near infopark tomorrow 18:28:09 <nattie> any more for any more? 18:28:12 <nattie> yay! 18:28:17 <nattie> and you'll be having a party! 18:28:40 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Debian Day party! Yes. 18:29:28 <nattie> #info amenities near infopark to be mapped tomorrow 18:29:43 <nattie> any other items before we close? 18:30:10 <tumblingweed> Thanks. I'm off 18:30:14 <nattie> looks like we're done 18:30:36 <nattie> many thanks as always for attending, and thanks to tzafrir for knowing he needed me ;) 18:30:39 <nattie> #endmeeting