14:29:20 <nattie> #startmeeting 14:29:20 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu May 31 14:29:20 2018 UTC. The chair is nattie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:20 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:29:23 <andrewsh> argh at the people pronoucing "croissant" as kroyis-sante 14:29:26 <medicalwei> \meow/ 14:29:29 <nattie> #topic roll call 14:29:33 <jidanni> Hi. 14:29:36 <andrewsh> ohai 14:29:36 <nattie> andrewsh: i think they maybe tongue-in-cheek 14:29:46 <andrewsh> nattie: no, they're for real! :'( 14:29:48 <nattie> i guess i should say hi, and entreat the others to do likewise 14:30:00 <olasd> please ping me if you need me to react, I'm doing other things in parallel 14:30:00 <DLange> ... o/ 14:30:02 <gavin> hi 14:30:27 <bhe[m]> Hi. 14:30:57 <nattie> did everyone catch the agenda link? 14:30:58 <nattie> let's get going, though 14:31:01 <nattie> #topic Venue 14:31:14 <nattie> medicalwei: any news on the venue? 14:32:01 <medicalwei> Nothing on the venue itself but mostly on the budgeting part with NCTU 14:32:31 <nattie> medicalwei: please elaborate on the budgeting part 14:32:36 <nattie> https://deb.li/3OYuV for the agenda, btw 14:32:43 <medicalwei> Please switch to the Budget topic 14:32:54 <nattie> #topic budget 14:32:59 <nattie> medicalwei: your turn 14:34:05 <medicalwei> The cuurent director of MIRC (which is different from the director of Computer Science dept, also changed after the retirement early this year.) refuses to sponsor the venue. 14:34:26 <paulliu> hi 14:34:48 <medicalwei> The CS dept director is going to make this up by finding govermnemt funds, but the funds cannot be used to the venue itself 14:35:30 <DLange> don't we have a contract with them? 14:35:36 <nattie> so you're saying we should front the venue cost and they reimburse us? 14:36:02 <medicalwei> nattie: yes, I asked if they can reimburse us on the foods 14:36:11 <nattie> foods? 14:36:16 <medicalwei> catering 14:36:30 <nattie> to an equivalent amount? 14:36:40 <medicalwei> but the catering must be under public bidding process 14:36:42 <medicalwei> nattie: yes 14:37:00 <medicalwei> The amount is 1.5M NTD 14:37:07 <nattie> medicalwei: is this documented somewhere? 14:37:35 <medicalwei> nattie: currently nowhere. I can ask NCTU person explain the current situation 14:37:52 <nattie> medicalwei: please get it documented in writing. 14:37:53 <medicalwei> DLange: The contract was with the CS director 14:38:03 <jidanni> how about we just ask if there's some different building that we can use 14:38:11 <DLange> that's 43k€ 14:38:19 <DLange> unlikely we eat that much 14:38:39 <medicalwei> DLange: My current budget estimation actually over the budget 14:38:44 <nattie> that depends entirely on the number of attendees, really 14:38:48 <nattie> whether we eat that much 14:38:51 <DLange> medicalwei: and MIRC does not feel bound by contracts with Computer Science? 14:39:08 <medicalwei> DLange: I think so... at least after they have a new director 14:39:30 <DLange> the idea of contracts is that they survive being people being shuffled around 14:39:47 <czchen> The contract we have is https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/venue/DebConf18-Confirmation.pdf 14:39:59 <medicalwei> czchen: that was with CS director, not MIRC 14:40:21 <medicalwei> So CS people is going to cover that up... 14:40:50 <DLange> that says very well thet MISRC stuff is sponsored 14:41:57 <medicalwei> #action medicalwei to put the current NCTU-MIRC-CS situation into mailing list discussion, with NCTU people involved 14:41:58 <szlin> sorry for late 14:42:17 <DLange> medicalwei: I would argue there is nothing to discuss 14:42:32 <paulliu> I still don't get it. It seems to me that nothing related to us? I mean if CS can cover the budget then that's not related to us at all. 14:42:32 <nattie> DLange: then at least we have it written down transparently 14:42:39 <DLange> "NCTU will fully sponsor the venue [..] and the accommodation" is pretty clear 14:42:49 <DLange> coming up with cost after the fact is not acceptable 14:43:24 <medicalwei> I think we can try to argue with this doc with the MIRC director 14:43:35 <paulliu> I mean if MIRC wants money, and CS paid that. Then we still can use MIRC for free. 14:43:53 <DLange> please do. If you need help look me in or anybody else you see fit. 14:43:54 <nattie> paulliu: i think the problem is that CS can't pay the venue directly 14:44:04 <medicalwei> paulliu: current situation is that we pay MIRC, and CS will pay us in the same amount 14:45:01 <paulliu> ok. got it. 14:45:04 * medicalwei could see a messy ledger... 14:45:10 <nattie> is there anything to add on this topic for the moment? 14:45:22 <medicalwei> Nothing, also that's on the action to have a follow up discussion 14:45:26 <nattie> OK 14:45:29 <nattie> #topic Content 14:45:33 <nattie> Content folks, any news? 14:46:01 <nattie> I see NCTU is requesting a list of known speakers. Anything to add to that? 14:46:24 <olasd> the list is currently empty 14:46:32 <DLange> the list will be 43k EUR (MIRC best practice)! 14:47:05 <nattie> #info No news from the Content team this week 14:47:10 <nattie> #topic Insurance 14:47:11 <medicalwei> They need that for another fund requiests. 14:47:12 <medicalwei> ok 14:47:21 <nattie> Any news on Insurance? czchen, is that your department? 14:47:38 <olasd> (fwiw when talks are accepted, the list will be public at https://debconf18.debconf.org/users/) 14:47:42 <medicalwei> NCTU side warns us that buses in day trip may require travel insurances that we need to apply beforehands. 14:47:46 <medicalwei> olasd: thanks for that 14:48:03 <medicalwei> olasd: users? 14:48:22 <DLange> wafer default path 14:48:24 <jidanni> okay we will get the trip bus insurance 14:48:24 <olasd> yes, the "users" list only shows people who have accepted registered events 14:48:39 <olasd> registered events that have been accepted* 14:49:12 <olasd> anyway, sorry for derailing the current topic 14:49:35 <czchen> insurance price is ready 14:49:46 <nattie> czchen: do you have the quote documented somewhere? 14:50:00 <olasd> I remember a list on the dc18 git 14:50:28 <czchen> final price is 10416 NTD 14:50:50 <olasd> (https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/insurance/insurance.md was the list) 14:50:54 <czchen> 347.2 USD 14:51:13 <medicalwei> czchen: Our insurance budget was 500 USD so that's well under that 14:51:21 <nattie> czchen: this is for the whole conference? 14:51:51 <medicalwei> excluding the day trip insurance afaik? 14:52:02 <czchen> DebCamp + DebConf - Day trip 14:52:17 <nattie> #info Insurance for the whole conference (DebCamp + Debconf, excluding day trip) is 10416 NTD / ~350 USD 14:52:31 <nattie> are we OK to move on for now? 14:52:39 <medicalwei> ready to pay? 14:52:50 <olasd> I guess finding daytrip insurance within the budget should be fairly easy? who is taking that on? 14:53:12 <czchen> I just need a final confirmation for insurance. 14:53:30 <nattie> #info We will be ready to pay once czchen receives final confirmation 14:53:35 <nattie> ready to move on? 14:53:36 <DLange> does it make sense to combine it with day trip insurance, czchen? 14:53:44 <nattie> DLange: different sign-up requirements, IIRC 14:53:52 <jidanni> I don't have their personal details only their names for day trip 14:54:20 <czchen> They have different requirements, so we might need to do it separately. 14:54:33 <DLange> I was more asking about combining the two may be cheaper than two seperate contracts 14:54:46 <czchen> day trip needs personal information like passport no., etc 14:54:59 <czchen> I can ask. 14:55:07 <DLange> thanks 14:55:14 <jidanni> maybe I should just ask the bus company if they also sell extra insurance or maybe they already are insured anyway. 14:55:25 <nattie> #action czchen to ask whether conference insurance and day trip insurance contracts can be combined 14:55:32 <DLange> sounds reasonable jidanni, please do, CC czchen 14:55:59 <jidanni> okay I'll call the bus company tomorrow 14:56:01 <nattie> #action jidanni to inquire of bus company about day trip insurance additionally 14:56:11 <nattie> going to move on now 14:56:15 <nattie> #topic Fundraising 14:56:27 <nattie> czchen: I think that's also your department, yes? 14:56:44 <medicalwei> nattie: szlin 14:56:58 <nattie> ah right, sorry. szlin, any news? 14:57:19 <nattie> (sorry, remembered it was initials plus surname, but got the wrong one) 14:57:20 <medicalwei> I am wondering where do we close the list for printing stuffs 14:57:33 <medicalwei> nattie: same as highweed and tumblevoltage for me 14:57:37 <szlin> I am contacting the sponsor 14:57:40 <DLange> when you need to, medicalwei 14:58:02 <DLange> the later, the better for sponsors, but too late means no T-Shirts 14:58:04 <szlin> some sponsors declined. I've update the git. 14:58:12 <olasd> medicalwei: I seem to recall that we said early june to give ourselves enough lead time for tshirts and stuff 14:58:13 <DLange> so have 2 weeks or so of buffer 14:58:37 <olasd> but that was back when we assumed mexican tshirts 14:58:58 <medicalwei> I would hope early June 14:59:17 <olasd> do we have a t-shirt supplier locked in? what's their lead time? 14:59:24 <DLange> set a deadline based on your lead time from a supplier you chose 14:59:34 <medicalwei> olasd: not yet locked in, but one I asked was about 2-3 wks 14:59:34 <olasd> that's the real question that needs answering 15:00:12 <szlin> I will ping the sponsor who're not replied yet in these days. 15:00:19 <olasd> ok, conference is in 8 weeks, so that's 5 weeks; 2 weeks buffer + 1 week to finalize design = 15 june deadline ? 15:00:39 <nattie> SGTM 15:00:48 <olasd> I think that's on par with what we did in previous years as well 15:00:51 <medicalwei> OK 15:01:11 <nattie> #agreed Deadline for sponsors to get on the backs of t-shirts is 15 June 15:01:18 <nattie> any other fundraising news? 15:02:23 <nattie> doesn't look like it 15:02:26 <nattie> #topic Job Fair 15:02:43 <nattie> anything on this that's come up since the last meeting? 15:03:06 <czchen> Forgot to send mail for job fair, will make a template for it tomorrow. 15:03:22 <nattie> mail to whom? 15:03:51 <czchen> for sponsor to see if they want to participate job fair 15:04:12 <nattie> #action czchen to send mail to sponsors about the job fair 15:04:46 <czchen> Also, I has tried to get some tables from NCTU for job fair, but no response so far. Will also ping them tomorrow. 15:05:06 <nattie> *nods* tables should be relatively quick to organise, hopefully 15:05:34 <nattie> #action czchen to ping NCTU about tables for the job fair 15:05:43 <nattie> all good on this topic now? 15:05:52 <nattie> #topic child care 15:06:09 <gavin> Start hiring two sitters 15:06:20 <gavin> No one apply yet 15:06:50 <nattie> you mean nobody has responded to us yet? 15:06:56 <gavin> yes 15:07:08 <nattie> #info we plan to hire two sitters. nobody has applied to us yet 15:07:22 <nattie> that pretty much covers it for this topic now, right? 15:07:35 <gavin> yeah~ 15:07:37 <nattie> cool 15:07:40 <nattie> #topic AOB 15:07:45 <nattie> anything else? 15:07:52 <nattie> speak now, or forever hold your... 15:08:20 <DLange> we have requests for an ETA on bursaries on the ML again 15:08:26 <nattie> of course 15:08:28 <jidanni> there is no date on the director's letter 15:08:34 <nattie> and they'll be informed when they're... ready 15:08:51 <jidanni> legal letters all required dates on them 15:09:06 <medicalwei> DLange: filed by me 15:09:20 <olasd> if only there was a way to contact the bursaries team directly 15:09:33 <medicalwei> ticket was expensive so that's indeed a problem 15:09:42 <medicalwei> Sorry, on the budget part again 15:09:53 <DLange> yes, flight prices start to go up now 15:10:00 <olasd> also, which ML ? 15:10:05 <DLange> -team IIRC 15:10:11 <medicalwei> I may want to extract some of the bursary applications to be reimbursed under NCTU especially if they have panel 15:10:12 <olasd> I don't see it 15:10:25 <olasd> nor on -discuss 15:10:31 <DLange> nope, sorry was to bremner 15:10:40 <DLange> (and CC registration) 15:10:41 <bremner> I am not a mailing list. 15:10:52 <DLange> not yet 15:10:55 <olasd> well, feel free to redirect people to the proper channels 15:10:58 <medicalwei> Did I forget to send that to lists? 15:11:00 <DLange> ack 15:11:17 <nattie> medicalwei: send what? 15:11:22 <DLange> different mail from yours medicalwei 15:11:28 <medicalwei> Ah ok 15:11:29 <DLange> we have had the DPL ask, too 15:11:36 <DLange> no pressure :D 15:11:42 <olasd> he knows the proper channels, he can use them, too 15:11:52 <bremner> medicalwei: I think you were forwarding a private thread to a public list, btw 15:11:58 <bremner> DLange: not funny 15:12:06 <bremner> not motivating either 15:12:18 <DLange> true, sorry for that! 15:12:18 <medicalwei> Wasn't it public? (oops) 15:13:15 <olasd> anyway, the bursaries processes are ongoing, and we know flight prices are going up 15:13:58 <medicalwei> #info For MEET TAIWAN fund, we need to make some of the bursary applications of attendees having panel talks to be reimbursed under NCTU 15:13:58 <olasd> real soon now™ 15:14:18 <nattie> one should probably talk to the content team about that 15:15:39 <zumbi> o/ .oO( I was here earlier, I thought there was no meeting ) 15:15:59 <jidanni> the date on the director of computer science letter is missing 15:16:22 <medicalwei> zumbi: we have them once a week now 15:16:34 <bremner> jidanni: I have no idea what you are talking about. By some off chance is it about bursaries? 15:16:51 <medicalwei> jidanni: that's on the second pdf 15:16:57 <jidanni> I'm talking about the letter the director sign saying that we have funding for the venue. 15:17:05 <bremner> that's not the current topic 15:17:14 <medicalwei> (was it AOB?) 15:17:23 <jidanni> oh okay I'll check the second PDF sorry. 15:17:39 <bremner> OK, I see there is no current topic. 15:17:42 <bremner> my mistake. 15:18:04 <DLange> jidanni: no a problem really, the document is in git and we have emails 15:18:09 <nattie> #info bursaries are in the process of dealing with requests and will inform applicants of results when ready 15:18:22 <nattie> let's set a time for the next meeting 15:18:40 <nattie> in a week's time, Thursday at 14:30 UTC? 15:18:49 <jidanni> OK 15:18:52 <czchen> ok 15:18:53 <medicalwei> LGTM 15:18:55 <olasd> I won't be able to attend, but ok 15:19:01 <nattie> #agreed next meeting 7 June, 14:30 UTC 15:19:02 <szlin> ok 15:19:09 <nattie> that's it, folks! 15:19:13 <medicalwei> Thank you / 15:19:14 <nattie> #endmeeting