14:00:12 <pollo> #startmeeting 14:00:12 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Jun 26 14:00:12 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:12 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:19 <pollo> #topic Roll Call 14:00:24 <azeem> . 14:00:29 <pollo> please say hello if you are here for the meeting 14:00:37 <FourDollars> hello 14:00:42 <lavamind> hi 14:00:42 <bremner> hell-oh 14:00:42 <pollo> meanwhile, have a look at the proposed agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:01:03 <tiago> hi 14:01:22 <olasd> hi 14:01:40 <olasd> (it'd be nice to pingall on meeting start rather than 30 minutes before) 14:01:56 <DLange> o/ 14:01:59 <pollo> olasd: so no ping 30 mins before at all? 14:02:29 <czchen> hi 14:02:31 <bremner> 1h before seemed less controversial? 14:02:39 <bremner> also, that shed should be blue 14:02:46 <nattie> i'[m here! 14:02:49 <nattie> sort of anyway 14:02:54 <medicalwei> O/ 14:03:10 <lavamind> we cant have multiple pings 14:03:15 <lavamind> s/cant/can/ 14:03:28 <tiago> next topic? :) 14:03:33 <pollo> no people say we are already trolling them with Meetbot as it is... 14:03:39 <azeem> I agree we should ping directly before the meeting, and don't mind earlier pings 14:03:40 <pollo> #topic Bursaries 14:04:17 <olasd> round 2 of travel bursaries has come and gone; there will be no round 3, we're all out of monies 14:04:31 <pollo> #info round 2 of travel bursaries has come and gone; there will be no round 3, we're all out of monies 14:04:49 * znoteer_s is here but is in class at the same time 14:05:10 <pollo> so that's it for bursaries? No need to have this topic anymore? 14:05:22 <lavamind> are we satisfied with the number of bursaries granted & accepted ? 14:05:24 <pollo> or is there still work to do? 14:05:49 <olasd> lavamind: it can always be better, but yes, I think we did okay 14:06:28 <lavamind> alright let's move on then 14:06:32 <olasd> there's still food+accommodation grants that are pending 14:06:45 <pollo> noted 14:06:49 <pollo> #topic Registration 14:07:16 <pollo> I did some light modifs to the admin pannel last night that should enable the reg team to check out people's special needs 14:07:41 <valessio> :) 14:07:51 <olasd> if you tell me what you need in clear terms I can look at it later 14:07:54 <pollo> #info We are at 364 attendees atm 14:08:08 <olasd> (I didn't understand what you were asking me for) 14:08:09 <pollo> olasd: ? I pushed already? 14:08:21 <pollo> ah, you mean for the dates things, yes, I will 14:08:59 <lavamind> can we agree to enable confirmation right right away once paypal is integrated 14:09:20 <pollo> sure 14:09:30 <olasd> regarding paypal, I've written stuff to make invoices and pay them through paypal 14:09:50 <olasd> the paypal sandbox has been returning error 500 to everyone for a few days now, which is really really helpful 14:10:10 <olasd> but manually editing the form to send to actual paypal seems to generate sensible results 14:10:23 <pollo> #info olasd did some work on PayPal integration (create invoices and pay them) 14:10:36 <pollo> olasd: we should wait for tests in the sandbox right? 14:10:56 <olasd> seeing the response from paypal on it I wouldn't hold my breath 14:11:14 <pollo> did you come up with something regarding form modifications once people paid? 14:11:21 <olasd> no 14:12:15 <pollo> so we fix that and we are good for confirmation? 14:12:22 <olasd> well 14:12:44 <olasd> I'm really really nervous about putting this in production when the debian paypal backend is a black hole 14:12:55 * lavamind reminds everyone we need a rooming list this week for the Hotel, and RVC by July 5 14:13:12 * lavamind also looks at nattie, for assignations 14:13:24 <olasd> lavamind: a rooming list 40 days beforehand ??? 14:13:25 <nattie> they will happen! 14:13:29 <nattie> eventually 14:13:44 <pollo> olasd: if you want I can ask the DPL for access to the PayPal instance 14:13:53 <lavamind> olasd: that's the contract we signed 14:13:55 <pollo> but we'll have to have 1 or 2 ppl max with those accesses 14:14:58 <DLange> I understood we don't need that as we get direct confirmation on each payment into wafer? 14:15:06 <olasd> well 14:15:10 <DLange> ('cause I asked the same earlier) 14:15:26 <olasd> yes. but the day something will inevitably go wrong, we don't want to wait 3 months to have a look at it 14:15:49 <pollo> #action pollo to get access to the Debian PayPal instance 14:15:54 <DLange> hm, yeah that was my concern, too 14:16:04 <pollo> anything else regarding registration? 14:16:35 <lavamind> yes 14:17:07 <lavamind> it should be noted eventually, if/when we announce the online payment thing, that the dinner on aug 10 is not 7.50 14:17:28 <nattie> we'll have to do some advanced bistromathics for that, i guess 14:17:43 <lavamind> just so people aren't totally confused when they see their bill again, and it's not exactly the same 14:19:17 <lavamind> that's all 14:19:22 <olasd> uhm 14:19:29 <olasd> that's not at all what's implemented 14:19:42 <olasd> and "not 7.50" is not a proper amount 14:19:48 <pollo> 23 CAD 14:20:29 <lavamind> the dinner is 23 CAD instead of 7.50, for those self paying for food 14:20:54 <pollo> we indeed overlooked that. The best thing would have had to have a separate question in the form for that 14:20:56 <olasd> does it have to be? 14:21:16 <pollo> well we don't have to charge people the whole amount if we don't want to 14:21:37 <olasd> I mean, we've been showing 7.50 CAD to people for months now, it's not very nice to switch that at the last minute 14:22:10 * larjona is here, and in the bus 14:22:22 <pollo> we budgeted 2K CAD income for that 14:22:31 <pollo> I don't mind scratching it off 14:22:48 <lavamind> that's not an insignificant amount 14:22:55 <DLange> we'll run into fairness issues, too 14:23:03 <pollo> we have a lot more corp and pro regs that I had thought 14:23:07 <olasd> 16 extra CAD is not an insignificant amount either 14:23:09 <lavamind> esp considering we don't know yet how much exactly the rental is going to be 14:23:21 <lavamind> I mean, that's *just* for the food 14:23:25 <olasd> anyway 14:23:29 <lavamind> we're already paying for the room 14:23:34 <lavamind> out of the debconf budget 14:23:40 <tiago> 23 cad including some drink/party? 14:23:52 <lavamind> yeah 14:23:53 <pollo> 1 drink 14:23:54 <olasd> I'm uncomfortable with just silently switching the amount out on invoices 14:23:59 <tiago> that amount can raise, actually 14:24:08 <olasd> as that's not what people got told 14:24:20 <lavamind> olasd: my intervention was exactly that, we need to tell people 14:24:22 <pollo> tiago: ? no, we got a price from the caterer 14:24:29 <pollo> and the bands have a separate budget 14:25:15 <pollo> I proposed we have self-paying folks pay 7.50 CAD (regular meal price) instead of the 23 CAD cost 14:25:15 <tiago> not catering, but bands+gear rental, tables, maybe more people working on serving 14:25:34 <pollo> is anyone clearly against that? 14:25:44 <pollo> if yes, we might need to have a vote 14:25:47 <tiago> what's the actual impact for the budget? 14:25:52 <pollo> 2K CAD 14:25:52 <DLange> 2k CAD 14:26:09 <lavamind> that's assuming we have no more than 133 people in that situation 14:26:10 <bremner> maybe allow people to optionally pay the CAD16? 14:26:18 <bremner> as a donation. 14:26:29 <DLange> we could make people pay 7.50 for every meal in pre-sale 14:26:40 <DLange> but people paying onsite pay whatever the fair amount then is 14:26:43 <lavamind> if we have 200 or 250 self paying folks and they all checked the conf dinner, it goes up 14:27:05 <tvaz> we can charge the real price for late requests 14:27:19 <pollo> seems like a good option 14:27:23 <lavamind> headache 14:27:30 <lavamind> but whatevs 14:27:57 <tvaz> lavamind, why a headache? 14:29:06 <pollo> the budgeted surplus atm is around 22K USD 14:29:13 <pollo> I think we can afford it 14:29:23 <tvaz> I don't oppose 14:29:31 <lavamind> well someone will need to keep track of who qualifies for the "discount" 14:30:01 <olasd> everyone? 14:30:04 <DLange> everybody that paid up front 14:30:26 <pollo> if people pay at front desk we charge them 23 CAD 14:30:33 <lavamind> how is that fairer 14:30:55 <DLange> because people that pay up front will usually book food all week 14:31:14 <lavamind> but they'll say we advertised it as 7.50 the whole time and they'll be correct 14:31:25 <pollo> we can also have everyone pay 7.50 CAD, I really don't mind 14:32:07 <pollo> we are going to get 10 ppl that will buy tickets for the conf dinner on-site anyway 14:32:12 <lavamind> fine 14:32:56 <pollo> so we agree we are sponsoring the 15.50 CAD difference for the conf-dinner for everyone? 14:33:59 <larjona> I agree 14:34:03 <pollo> #agreed the conference dinner will cost 7.50 CAD instead of 23 CAD and DebConf will pay the 15.50 CAD difference 14:34:09 <pollo> great, let's move on 14:34:17 <pollo> #topic Volunteering system 14:34:20 <DLange> hm, ... 14:34:22 <abdelq> o/ 14:34:29 <abdelq> Started working on it. 14:34:34 <abdelq> Still working on it. 14:35:05 <abdelq> Sprint didn't happen on Sunday, so will try to schedule another date 14:35:09 <abdelq> That's all 14:35:11 <lavamind> abdelq: do you think it'll be ready to take signups some time before DebCamp ? 14:35:31 <abdelq> Yes 14:35:38 <lavamind> we need volunteers for different things right away on July 31, not just DebConf 14:35:43 <pollo> #info abdelq has started working on the volunteering system 14:35:43 <lavamind> ok awesome 14:36:05 <pollo> #info a new sprint will be scheduled, since the one on Sunday did not happpen 14:36:17 <tvaz> thanks abdelq :) 14:36:27 <pollo> #topic Venue & accommodation 14:36:54 <lavamind> ok regarding venue, the whole rentals department went away on vacation 14:37:03 <lavamind> which is a bit of a drag because 14:37:24 <lavamind> 1) we don't yet have the updated contract with the rooms for onsite accom 14:37:45 <lavamind> 2) we owe a deposit that we agree would be paid upon receipt of the updated contract 14:38:06 <lavamind> so I'll try getting in touch with higher ups this week to see whats up 14:38:26 <olasd> sounds "fun" 14:39:02 <lavamind> additionally, it appears we may need extra rooms for Open Day to host all the accepted activities, but ... (see above) 14:39:33 <olasd> will they come back from vacation before DebConf? 14:39:33 <lavamind> that means we might not be able to book things in specific rooms until July 30 (also fun) 14:39:50 <lavamind> olasd: not according to their OOM 14:39:54 <olasd> I guess that's a no then 14:39:56 <olasd> wow 14:39:57 <tvaz> oh sh*t 14:39:58 <olasd> that's impressive 14:40:29 <pollo> #info venue's rental staff left for vacation and this will give us some problems since we still need some input and modifs from them 14:40:40 <pollo> pretty sure the admin will deal with this somehow 14:40:47 <lavamind> olasd: the deptartment opens on July 31, that's before DebConf 14:41:06 <pollo> especially if we tell them we will not pay them the amount we oew them 14:41:32 <lavamind> TBF they did tell us to have our shit together by some time three weeks ago, which we did not 14:41:57 * lavamind notes the Timeline promised a preliminary schedule in April 14:42:13 <lavamind> anyway 14:42:40 <lavamind> I guess the first step for OD is to look at the accepted talks, if someone feels like it 14:42:53 <pollo> lavamind: were talks accepted? 14:43:06 <pollo> I thought content said they were not dealing with it 14:43:07 <lavamind> pollo: 16 according to gwolf's mail 14:43:43 <lavamind> pollo: I think they meant they are not dealing with it beyond deciding which submissions to accept 14:44:06 <pollo> his message says they have 16 talks 14:44:09 <pollo> not that they accepted them 14:44:18 <abdelq> yup 14:44:19 <lavamind> oh 14:44:39 * lavamind bangs head 14:44:42 <pollo> I can take on OD tasks 14:44:58 <pollo> but that means others will have to step up for the things I intended to do 14:45:06 <pollo> like the pre-arrival messages and PDF 14:45:30 <pollo> and dealing with the beer supplier 14:45:31 <lavamind> I can help for the welcome stuff, obviously 14:46:37 <pollo> #info pollo to take on Open Day taks 14:46:37 <tvaz> pollo, isn't jeansch working on beer stuff? 14:46:48 <pollo> no signs of life for a while now 14:47:19 <pollo> anyway, wrong topic folks 14:47:27 <pollo> anything else to add to venue and accomm? 14:48:28 <pollo> #topic Content 14:48:43 <pollo> #info talks have been rated by the content team 14:49:29 <azeem> at least most of them by most of the team, yeas 14:49:38 <pollo> #info gwolf1 says we are still far from a preliminary schedule and that he does not have time to work on that next week 14:49:51 <pollo> azeem: do you think you'll have time for that next week? 14:49:56 <azeem> no :( 14:50:06 <azeem> I'm seriously time-constraint as well 14:50:28 <azeem> in any case, I think we should decide on acceptance and notify speakers first, then worry about the schedule later, but I'll defer to gwolf 14:51:01 <pollo> anything else for content? 14:51:26 <azeem> (some of?) the invited talks got accepted and are online 14:52:29 <pollo> seems a lot of talks from shirish have been accepted, I though he could not come? 14:52:37 <azeem> no, no 14:52:41 <azeem> the C ones are the cancelled ones 14:52:46 <azeem> it's a bug they are there 14:52:47 <pollo> ah 14:52:51 <pollo> that is _not_ clear 14:53:00 <pollo> but I remember the discussion about it 14:53:08 <azeem> right, I'm not saying we should publicize that link yet 14:53:23 <azeem> maybe we can just delete them 14:53:30 <pollo> +1 14:53:33 <DLange> all cancelled talks are publically visible 14:53:36 <DLange> wafer bug 14:53:38 <pollo> azeem: that link is in the menu... 14:53:50 <azeem> pollo: I meant like tweeting it or so 14:53:52 <pollo> ah 14:53:56 <azeem> "check out our invited talks here" 14:54:04 <azeem> DLange: right, so let's work around it by deleting them 14:54:11 <azeem> I'll shop it by the content team 14:54:25 <pollo> anyone against deleting cancelled talks? 14:54:27 <azeem> we could try to back them up in a csv somewhere first or so 14:54:46 <DLange> gwolf didn't want to but do what you need to do (I'm not on the content team) 14:54:51 <azeem> in case the people who cancelled found a replacement speaker etc. 14:55:02 <azeem> DLange: hrm, ok then 14:55:05 <DLange> that's true at least for larjona's talk 14:55:23 <azeem> I certainly prefer a wafer fix, but what's the ETA? 14:55:27 <DLange> (she found a replacement speaker afaik) 14:55:32 <pollo> I don't think we can count on that 14:55:42 <DLange> azeem: not soon as this is an upstream issue acc. to tumbleweed 14:55:53 <pollo> and I don't think status quo is ok either 14:56:12 <DLange> talk to gwolf in -content, come up with a solution? 14:56:30 <azeem> aye 14:56:39 <pollo> #info content will try to come up with a solution wrt to cancelled talks 14:56:46 <DLange> FTR: I can backup talks if you want to so they can be restored. 14:57:03 <pollo> #topic Artwork 14:57:14 <pollo> I skipped conf dinner since we already talked about it 14:57:43 <pollo> #info the printer has received our $$$ and has started printing t-shirts and bags 14:57:58 <pollo> #info I also got confirmation we'll have everything in time for DebCamp 14:58:29 <lavamind> good work! 14:58:30 <tvaz> cool! 14:58:35 <pollo> Nade got hurt in a bike accident though so we won't have it in advance, as was planned 14:58:54 <pollo> we have banner designs (the one valessio did) 14:59:11 <pollo> I like them a lot, but tammy said she wanted to work on them some more 14:59:21 <valessio> ;) 14:59:24 <pollo> no news from her for at least a week now 14:59:39 <pollo> I think we should go with what valessio did and print them now 14:59:49 <azeem> but let her know 14:59:50 <pollo> that would free some space in my mind 15:00:06 * tvaz agrees with pollo 15:00:21 <pollo> azeem: you mean send an email to her telling her we are printing the banners? 15:00:26 <pollo> sure 15:00:30 <azeem> yeah 15:00:31 <tvaz> mainly because we always need free space in pollo's mind 15:01:01 <pollo> afte that the only things will wrt to artwork will be lanyards and nametags 15:01:25 <pollo> #info a script to generate the badges is 95% done 15:01:29 <lavamind> s/nametags/badges/ 15:01:38 <pollo> I still have to work on the design a little though 15:01:43 <valessio> I'm coming to Montreal next week. I would be happy to help with graphics work. 15:02:00 <pollo> valessio: I think we are mostly done :D 15:02:23 <pollo> I think that's all for artwork 15:02:29 <olasd> pollo: can you put it $somewhere so I can look at wafering it? 15:02:42 <pollo> the script? 15:02:45 <olasd> yes 15:02:51 <pollo> sure, I'll try cleaning it 15:03:04 <olasd> :) 15:03:09 <pollo> #action pollo to put the badges python script in git 15:03:46 <pollo> #topic Videoteam 15:03:58 <pollo> olasd: want to do the honnors? 15:04:08 <pollo> you've been the one working on this lately 15:05:19 <olasd> sure 15:06:06 <olasd> the DPL agreed for the videoteam budget to renew cameras this year; a one-man sprint happened at IRILL this weekend to assess the contenders 15:06:25 <olasd> I need to send a report to the list so we can decide next meeting 15:06:47 <DLange> the sprint was live streamed! 15:06:50 <olasd> I've also looked at enhancing our streaming with help from a member of the fosdem team 15:07:09 <olasd> so we should be on track for a not-too-hectic DebCamp 15:07:16 <olasd> maybe 15:07:21 <azeem> famous last words 15:07:26 <olasd> azeem: sssshhhh 15:07:48 <pollo> #info things are moving and "we should be on track for a not-too-hectic DebCamp" 15:08:15 <pollo> #topic DC18 status update 15:08:21 <olasd> I've also managed to revive one of our capture cards which was marked as "faulty"! 15:08:28 <pollo> ah, srry 15:08:32 <olasd> nah, it's fine 15:08:35 <olasd> that was it 15:08:37 <olasd> :) 15:08:43 <medicalwei> czchen: anything to update? 15:08:56 <czchen> We have ledger in https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debconf-data/dc18.git/tree/ledger/OCF.tw.ledger , not sure if "Stretch Release Party" is okay for DC18 fund. 15:09:17 <pollo> czchen: if you need help with ledger, don't hesitate to ping me 15:09:30 <pollo> it can get complicated some time and I got some experience now 15:09:51 <czchen> Thanks. 15:10:23 <czchen> Not sure if we need to fill some money to OCF.tw for current spending. 15:10:29 <LeLutin> o/ sorry I'm very late. fire alarm started ringing just before the meeting 15:10:35 <medicalwei> Also 1000 sets of stickers for DC18+Debian is at print. ETA is in one or two days. Will bring some of them first. 15:10:53 <medicalwei> I have an idea that is that possible that we pay DC17 to OCF? 15:11:37 <pollo> medicalwei: last year we asked the DPL for money to print pins and got it 15:11:38 <medicalwei> To save taxes and transaction fees I mean 15:11:49 <pollo> that was not budgeted or tracked anywhere 15:12:02 <olasd> well it was tracked in the Debian budget 15:12:06 <pollo> sure 15:12:36 <pollo> my point is no one expects you to start maintaining accounts now 15:12:43 <pollo> or at least I don't 15:13:02 <olasd> agreed 15:13:13 <medicalwei> What about we pay money to OCF for DC17? 15:13:52 <pollo> i'm not sure I understand what you mean 15:13:59 <czchen> I think we first need to get approval for DC18 sticker spending, then we can think about the money. 15:14:31 <medicalwei> To save some transaction fees for starter fund 15:14:36 <medicalwei> And taxes 15:15:09 <pollo> you mean pay to OCF instead of SPI what you need to pay use for DC17 (food, accomm, etc.)? 15:15:17 <medicalwei> Yes 15:15:43 <pollo> hmm, that's too much trouble 15:15:47 <czchen> I think it is to complicated. 15:16:15 <medicalwei> Ok 15:16:30 <czchen> I can donation some money for DC18 right now for current spending. 15:16:40 <czchen> I think that is the most easy way right now. 15:16:55 <medicalwei> I will too 15:17:27 <czchen> Then the only thing we need to do is to get approval for spending. That's all. 15:17:47 <czchen> No other issue on my side. 15:17:58 <medicalwei> Me neither 15:19:48 <pollo> anything else? 15:20:32 <medicalwei> That's all I think? 15:21:00 <pollo> #endmeeting