15:30:46 <lavamind_> #startmeeting 15:30:46 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Dec 12 15:30:46 2016 UTC. The chair is lavamind_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:30:46 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:31:00 <lavamind_> #opic Role call 15:31:03 <lavamind_> #topic Role call 15:31:11 <lavamind_> say hi if you're around! 15:31:25 <lavamind_> MeetBot: pingall meeting started 15:31:25 <MeetBot> meeting started 15:31:25 <MeetBot> _rene_ abdelq amaya AndrewLee azeem bdale bgupta billux blarson bremner bubulle_ carnil cate Clint cnote cpt_nemo cyphermox czchen darst DLange dlm esh FBI fil formorer FourDollars Ganneff gaudenz_ ginggs greenman__ gregoa gwolf highvoltage Hodgestar hvhaugwitz 15:31:25 <MeetBot> indiebio ivodd iwamatsu jcristau jeansch jova2 jvw Kaare KanBot-0 KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 larjona lavamind lavamind_ LeLutin lenharo lucas madduck marga Maulkin maxy MeanderingCode medicalwei MeetBot mehdi mjeanson moray msantana` n0rman nattie OdyX olasd paddatrapper 15:31:25 <MeetBot> phls pollo rmayorga rul santiago schultmc schultmc_ sgran Sledge soli taffit_ taffit_sud tamo tassia tokkee tumbleweed tvaz vorlon wendar xamanu zumbi 15:31:25 <MeetBot> meeting started 15:31:54 <LeLutin> \o 15:31:56 <lavamind_> so we have I think two confirmed absentees, pollo and gwolf 15:32:10 <lavamind_> LeLutin: o/ 15:33:08 <lavamind_> so... just me and LeLutin ? o.O 15:33:09 <LeLutin> so much snow this morning 15:33:24 <lavamind_> yes it's clogging up people's memory of todays meeting :p 15:34:27 <LeLutin> hmm that's going to be a quick meeting :P 15:34:51 <olasd> I'm around but I didn't intend to attend 15:35:02 <olasd> not that I'd have anything to say anyway 15:35:06 <DLange> o/ I'm here. Now. Mostly. 15:35:07 <lavamind_> pollo asked me to send a reminder on the list late last night but I forgot to do it :/ 15:35:53 <DLange> happens, don't worry lavamind_ 15:36:18 <lavamind_> I suggest we go through the items on the agenda for discussion, as a non decisional meeting 15:36:39 <lavamind_> LeLutin, DLange are you ok with it ? 15:36:40 <olasd> sounds reasonable 15:36:43 <DLange> yes, sounds good 15:36:50 <LeLutin> yeah sounds good 15:37:02 <lavamind_> #topic DC16 finances & final report 15:37:25 <lavamind_> ok so as usual there has been little progress 15:37:47 <lavamind_> I was going to propose that we stop bringing it up at each and every meeting 15:38:12 <DLange> highvoltage seems to be working on the final report 15:38:28 <DLange> and nkukard should be finishing the ledger once he has some time 15:38:32 <lavamind_> the task histories for these tow items is in Kanboard, and the people who can actually do the things are never here 15:38:40 <DLange> (so I guess early next year on the latter topic) 15:38:45 <lavamind_> yeah 15:39:25 <lavamind_> DLange: I'm not saying we should erare/forget about it, just not dwell any more in meetings 15:39:49 <lavamind_> anyway, I guess we'll bring it up again next meeting if there are more people 15:39:54 <DLange> makes sense 15:40:04 <DLange> "non-decisional" we said :) 15:40:22 <lavamind_> #info highvoltage said he was going to review the final report 15:40:37 <LeLutin> if we stop bringing it up in the meetings we might want to send an email to the list to say so 15:40:47 <lavamind_> #info nkukard should be finishing the ledger once he has some time 15:41:32 <lavamind_> #agreed bring the proposal to strike DC16 agenda items from meetings to next meeting 15:41:58 <lavamind_> #agreed if we decide to strike DC16 topic from future meetings, we should announce it on the list 15:42:13 <lavamind_> anything else? 15:42:20 <DLange> nope 15:42:22 <lavamind_> #topic Catering 15:42:45 * larjona is here, just cached up with the log 15:42:46 <lavamind_> LeLutin: got any info? afaik there's no updates to share 15:43:00 * cate too. Forgot about meeting 15:43:08 <LeLutin> hum we announced to CW that we wouldn't go with them 15:43:31 <LeLutin> but I don't remember if it was brought up in a previous meeting 15:43:46 <DLange> not that you did, only that you planned to tell them 15:44:00 <lavamind_> they replied saying they thought we'd be making things complicated for ourselves 15:44:08 <DLange> do we have a contract with the preferred folks? If not, when do you plan on signing it? 15:44:15 <lavamind_> but that we should let them know if we needed anything 15:44:47 <lavamind_> DLange: not yet, afaik they are working on a revising their quote I think 15:45:03 <lavamind_> I'm not sure 15:45:27 <DLange> o.k., tvaz will know in the next meeting, I guess 15:45:36 <lavamind_> #info tvaz absent, meeting is in the dark about contract timeline for catering with Le Dîner 15:45:57 <lavamind_> anything else? 15:46:47 <lavamind_> #topic Venue 15:46:53 <DLange> (silence -> proceed :)) 15:47:06 <lavamind_> DLange: I usually wait 1 minute 15:47:34 <DLange> oki, /me practices patience for the next items 15:47:37 <lavamind_> I got a call from the venue with some bad news 15:47:43 <DLange> oh? 15:47:57 <lavamind_> our 3rd talk room is unavailable after all 15:48:16 <lavamind_> they had booked it elsewhere and omiytted to tell us 15:48:41 <lavamind_> it's not a huge deal but disappointing as it was adjacent to all our other rooms 15:48:45 <LeLutin> they had booked it before we had a quote from them? 15:48:50 <lavamind_> LeLutin: yes 15:49:09 <LeLutin> they suck at booking then 15:49:10 <DLange> so we will share the venue with another conference (very) close by? 15:49:11 <billux> Hi, I'm a little late… 15:49:41 <lavamind_> so what happened is that the college library books this room every year to receive inventory 15:50:08 <lavamind_> they also use it for school manual distribution 15:50:15 <DLange> aah, that's not bad (except for us missing the room) 15:50:22 <DLange> more traffic for the job fair 15:50:34 <lavamind_> DLange: well it opens the day after DebConf 15:50:43 <LeLutin> I guess the book distribution won't be happening during the conference 15:50:48 <lavamind_> so it will be basically closed with only library staff inside 15:50:57 <DLange> bah, opportunity wasted ;-) 15:51:26 <lavamind_> I did ask for an arrangement so that we can have passage to the interior garden 15:52:09 <lavamind_> the only other passage to the 2nd level garden is in the 2nd talk room, but we'll want to avoid people walking through the talk room 15:52:32 <LeLutin> right 15:52:57 <lavamind_> if we don't have passage, then the only way to reach the 2nd level in the garden, which is the main space, is to go down and back up some flights of stairs 15:53:08 <lavamind_> or go through the talk room 15:53:43 <LeLutin> so the passage you asked is through another room? 15:53:54 <lavamind_> LeLutin: through the room we were supposed to have 15:54:40 <LeLutin> ah I see. hmm but if they store lots of books in there they might not want to leave this room unchecked.. 15:54:43 <lavamind_> the library normally sets up that room so there's some space for queuing 15:55:03 <lavamind_> LeLutin: right, but if it's open in the daytime its better than closed 15:55:23 <lavamind_> LeLutin: and there shouldn't be talks in the 2nd talk room at night or evenings 15:55:23 <LeLutin> yep. then during the night we can pass through the talk room 15:55:30 <lavamind_> yes 15:55:40 <lavamind_> anyway 15:55:50 <lavamind_> we still need a 3rd talk room 15:56:05 <lavamind_> should we discuss the options now ? 15:56:21 <DLange> well, you could just list them so people know for the next meeting 15:56:32 <lavamind_> ok there are several options 15:56:46 <lavamind_> the first, suggested by the venue manager, is the "small auditorium" 15:56:55 <lavamind_> the capacity iirc is about 100 15:57:15 <lavamind_> it's on the 3rd floor (remember the rest of the conf is on 2nd) 15:57:51 <cate> no problem if one room is in an other buildings and floor (see NYC, at DC10) 15:57:52 <lavamind_> it's more expensive than the cancelled room but its being offered to us at the same price 15:57:58 <LeLutin> it's reachable with an elevator iirc? 15:58:31 <lavamind_> LeLutin: yes, elevator accessible, all rooms are in the same building and all floors are reacchable by elevator 15:59:00 <lavamind_> the second options, favored by pollo, is a set of three adjoining classroom which can be merges 15:59:27 <lavamind_> the capacity is about 120, but it's on 5th floor, but it would be less expensive 16:00:05 <DLange> he can tell us next time why he thinks this is the better option... 16:00:18 <lavamind_> the third option, favored by me, is to use the divisions inside the main auditorium 16:00:44 <DLange> so split one room into two or more? 16:00:54 <lavamind_> DLange: the main auditorium can be split into 3 16:01:04 <DLange> and we have that booked already? 16:01:06 <lavamind_> around 250 / 100 / 100 16:01:13 <lavamind_> DLange: we have it booked already 16:01:31 <lavamind_> my concern if we were using those divisions is sound leakage 16:01:34 <DLange> sounds the most logical option to me, too. But let's discuss in a fortnight. 16:01:42 <LeLutin> is it easy to remove the seprations when we need the full auditorium? 16:01:53 <lavamind_> but apparently according to the venue manager its designed so that there's not leakage 16:02:16 <lavamind_> he said they once had two conference and a movie and no one complained 16:02:44 <lavamind_> LeLutin: the separations are easy to install/remove, and we already have the tech guy to help us with it 16:03:01 <lavamind_> so he can show us how to do it at the beginning 16:03:36 <lavamind_> DLange: sounds like the most logical option to me, however pollo raised objections based on videoteam requirements 16:03:38 <cate> hmm, but video-team may not like such changes 16:03:56 <lavamind_> right 16:04:19 <lavamind_> my idea was for us to go on site and see how we could do things 16:04:25 <DLange> yes, video may have issues with this depending on whether they can keep unused camera sets in the split / unsplit rooms 16:04:39 <DLange> sounds like a good plan, lavamind_ 16:04:41 <LeLutin> lavamind_: that sounds like a reasonable plan 16:04:49 <DLange> that way pollo can also assess the impact on video 16:04:51 <lavamind_> DLange: I don't see why they couldn't, but we should go there and meet with the technician 16:05:07 <DLange> ack 16:05:32 <larjona> Trying to convince the librarians to use a different room is not an option? It would be better for them too, their workflow not disturbed by debconf etc 16:05:32 <lavamind_> #info our 3rd talk room ended up double-booked and we lost, so we need to choose a new talk room 16:05:55 <lavamind_> larjona: I insisted very hard on that point 16:06:14 <lavamind_> to no avail, there is no alternative at the college for them, apparently 16:06:24 <larjona> thanks 16:06:50 <lavamind_> #agreed we'll visit the possible alternative locations before choosing a new room 16:07:04 <lavamind_> #anything else? 16:07:18 <LeLutin> nope 16:07:19 <lavamind_> note that I have to run outside in about 15 minutes 16:07:26 <lavamind_> #topic Website 16:07:31 <lavamind_> websiiiiite! 16:07:36 <LeLutin> nothing moved for the website 16:08:00 <lavamind_> *sigh* :( 16:08:08 <cate> but there is discussion on ml 16:08:25 <lavamind_> tumbleweed said yesterday he was about to work on it 16:08:33 <lavamind_> but I've not seen any upfdates 16:09:01 <LeLutin> we're thinking of doing a sprint on the site soon. so far tiago, lavamind_ and me are up for it 16:09:07 <lavamind_> cate: there is but no one who is actually in a position to do things has answered 16:09:30 <lavamind_> I think only LeLutin has access, but not enough to give other people access 16:09:59 <lavamind_> eg. Noel, who is motivated to work on it but is unable to contribute 16:10:10 <cate> access to what? 16:10:11 <DLange> access to git that is? 16:10:16 <lavamind_> yes access to git 16:10:59 <LeLutin> I'm not even sure I have push access :| 16:11:15 <cate> which git repository? 16:11:20 <lavamind_> LeLutin: you said for several meetings iirc that you'd fix the 404's :/ 16:11:24 <LeLutin> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debconf-data/dc17.dc.o.git 16:11:40 <lavamind_> did you do it but on the staging site ? 16:12:08 <lavamind_> I see the staging site also has the same problems 16:12:08 <LeLutin> lavamind_: I know, and it's rather simple but I still haven't gotten around to it 16:12:12 <lavamind_> anyway 16:12:14 <cate> I think all debconf-data repositories have the same permissions 16:12:28 <lavamind_> LeLutin: please put a rush on this, it's becoming critical 16:12:47 <lavamind_> some sponsors have sort of been noticing this 16:13:14 <LeLutin> I don't know what to write in those pages though.. it'll fix the 404's but it's probably gonna be gibberish or meaningless text 16:13:21 <cate> I can have some time in two hours, to check, if you want 16:13:39 <lavamind_> as we're trying to bring more attention to dc17, with such a skeleton website, our effort looks somewhat amateurish right now 16:13:52 <cate> I had some priviledges on dc16 (and also on previous debconfs) so I think I can help, but not now 16:14:18 <lavamind_> LeLutin: you can copy paste stuff from the brochure, or link/redirect to other pages on debian.org or debconf.org 16:14:41 <DLange> tvaz and madduck can approve debconf-data authorization requests on alioth 16:15:16 <lavamind_> #info there's still no progress on the website 16:15:33 <cate> DLange: maybe you should ask for admin permission in debconf-data 16:15:51 <lavamind_> #info the design is created, some integration work was done but the main site is still skeleton-thin 16:16:00 <DLange> cate: I'll ask for both of us 16:16:06 <DLange> if you don't mind? 16:16:22 <lavamind_> DLange, cate, your help would be welcome 16:17:15 <cate> DLange: I'm not admin, so it is not my decision, but I think it is good if you get permission, as one of most active on meetings, so you know who should get permissions 16:17:35 <DLange> same for you. I'll just ask and see what the admins do. 16:17:38 <lavamind_> DLange, cate, Noël's integration work was published here https://github.com/RignonNoel/dc17.dc.o 16:18:05 <lavamind_> tumbleweed has said several times he'd review it but has not done so afaik 16:18:18 <lavamind_> if you have the ability to do it, and push it, I wouldn't mind 16:18:28 <lavamind_> as well as give Noel push access 16:18:47 <cate> lavamind_: I'll do a review in few hours, and I think we can push it. 16:19:00 <lavamind_> cate: great! 16:19:05 <cate> Until we have no many data, we could reset at request 16:19:26 <cate> so it doesn't need to be perfect now 16:19:38 <lavamind_> no,it doesn't 16:19:49 <lavamind_> it just needs to look less like crap :s 16:20:00 <lavamind_> which was fine for a while, now, not so much 16:20:16 <lavamind_> LeLutin: if you could keep an eye on this... 16:20:44 <lavamind_> I know you don't have lots of time but this is really an area where we can use you 16:21:13 <lavamind_> anything to add? 16:21:43 <lavamind_> #topic Accomodation 16:22:01 <lavamind_> I have lots to discuss but no time 16:22:34 <lavamind_> we have to take care of this next meeting 16:22:49 <lavamind_> #topic Fundraising 16:22:59 <LeLutin> I went to Red Cross to fetch some beds. they're store now in my office. I'm waiting for news as to when we can use them in a classroom 16:23:33 <lavamind_> LeLutin: before mid-january we should plan to go to Maisonneuve with the beds 16:23:51 <DLange> take pictures when you do please 16:23:54 <DLange> for the wiki etc. 16:24:03 <lavamind_> you can propose a date, since you'll probably be the one bringing them 16:24:06 <LeLutin> lavamind_: ok I thought that was when the beds needed to go back. we should make sure we have a classroom we can use before then 16:24:09 <lavamind_> DLange: that is the plan 16:24:47 <lavamind_> LeLutin: its in between semesters so it can basically be any time 16:24:48 <LeLutin> lavamind_: the date depends more on the availability of a space in maisonneuve 16:25:11 <lavamind_> LeLutin: its avaible any time before I think Jan 25 when the semester starts again 16:25:54 <LeLutin> ok good. then we can go there maybe during first or 2nd week of january 16:26:09 <lavamind_> LeLutin: yes, please propose a date that suits you 16:26:26 <lavamind_> me and pollo will try to adjust 16:26:41 <LeLutin> any time during those two weeks (ok maybe not jan. 2nd cause i'll probably be a wreck) 16:27:00 <lavamind_> #topic Fundraising, attempt #2 16:27:12 <lavamind_> most sponsors have been contacted once 16:27:21 <lavamind_> potential sponsors... 16:27:51 <DLange> yes, follow ups should be before christmas or from the second week of Jan 16:28:07 <DLange> between these dates too few people work and it may get lost in the noise more easily 16:28:12 <lavamind_> right 16:28:34 <lavamind_> let's try to fix the website from now till dec 25 16:28:46 <lavamind_> and send follow-ups in january 16:29:18 <DLange> ok 16:29:31 <lavamind_> either someone takes chair or we end the meeting, because I have to go dig out my car from under the snow 16:30:16 <lavamind_> ... 16:30:18 <LeLutin> I'm not sure we have the info for the next points anyway 16:30:28 <lavamind_> #topic Next meeting 16:30:35 <lavamind_> Monday in 2 weeks in Dec 26 16:30:38 <lavamind_> not a great time 16:30:42 <LeLutin> nope 16:30:48 <lavamind_> shall we meet next monday instead ? 16:30:48 <DLange> Jan 9th? 16:30:54 <DLange> Just skip the XMas one? 16:31:09 <DLange> Jan 2nd isn't good either 16:31:12 <lavamind_> my preference would be next meeting to be Dec 19 16:31:13 <LeLutin> I'm ok with this 16:31:24 <LeLutin> (skipping one) 16:31:32 <DLange> both work for me 16:31:38 <DLange> I can do the 19th as well 16:31:48 <lavamind_> LeLutin: Jan 19th ? 16:31:54 <lavamind_> Duh, Dec 19th 16:32:02 <lavamind_> next monday, OK for you? 16:32:30 <lavamind_> LeLutin: ping 16:32:33 <LeLutin> I'd go more with january, but if there's something that needs deciding we can do a meeting next week 16:32:50 <lavamind_> yes I have things to bring up 16:32:59 <lavamind_> ok so next monday 16:33:10 <lavamind_> I'll send a summary of the meeting this evening 16:33:15 <lavamind_> #endmeeting