18:01:09 <h01ger> #startmeeting 18:01:09 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed May 9 18:01:09 2012 UTC. The chair is h01ger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:09 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:15 <h01ger> #chair gwolf 18:01:17 <MeetBot> Current chairs: gwolf h01ger 18:01:18 <h01ger> #chair moray 18:01:18 <MeetBot> Current chairs: gwolf h01ger moray 18:01:26 <h01ger> any other volunteers? 18:01:57 <leogg> hola! 18:02:03 <n0rman> yo que se! 18:02:04 <fitoria> o/ 18:02:07 <h01ger> #topic please introduce yourself and possibly volunteer to write a short meeting report. agenda at http://wiki.debconf.org/DebConf12/Meetings 18:02:08 <cate> hi 18:02:09 <leogg> not volunteering, just saying hi :) 18:02:10 * gwolf will be here in 5 minutes! 18:02:21 <h01ger> the meeting is suppossed to take 60min and meetbot.debian.net has logs 18:02:28 <gwolf> finishing-stuff-fastttt 18:02:35 * h01ger says hi also :) 18:02:44 <fil> hi 18:02:51 <n0rman> gwolf: better to pause-stuff :) 18:03:52 <h01ger> if you modify the agenda, please tell me so i can reload.. 18:03:56 <h01ger> tell us 18:04:23 <n0rman> h01ger: looking for someone who can write a summary of this meeting? 18:04:34 <h01ger> yup 18:04:42 <h01ger> .oO( siempre :) 18:04:53 <n0rman> Hi, I'm n0rman and I'm volunteering to write a short meeting report 18:04:56 <h01ger> lol 18:05:11 <h01ger> n0rman, great! 18:05:12 <leogg> n0rman, please make it short! :) 18:05:17 <h01ger> #topic field report 18:05:22 <n0rman> leogg: you know I can't 18:05:50 <h01ger> in very short: my two weeks were great, i had a great vacation, meet many members of the localteam, which is way bigger then it seems on irc 18:05:55 <h01ger> like 2-3 times the size 18:06:00 <h01ger> saw UCA (the venue) 18:06:11 <h01ger> had zillions of reunions (meetings) 18:06:42 * gwolf is here 18:06:46 <h01ger> met many nice people and a very hot & interesting country+capital with great countryside 18:07:03 <gwolf> (and I joined h01ger for the last three days) 18:07:10 <h01ger> and will "only" (^whopefully) tomorrow send a full report 18:07:15 <leogg> and sauna! :) 18:07:21 <h01ger> as i'm quite tired from the way back. just home here since 2h 18:07:37 <h01ger> sauna is very very important in .ni - the only place too really cool down! ;-) 18:08:16 <gwolf> And don't panic - We *really* worked on a report 18:08:19 <h01ger> the uca has 3 good auditoriums (one for workshops rather then talks) 18:08:22 <gwolf> so there will be accountability ;-) 18:08:32 <gwolf> There are nice photos available - h01ger, do you have the URL handy? 18:08:38 <h01ger> +gwolf found an accessible toilet on the last day! 18:08:45 <h01ger> http://layer-acht.org/fotos/660_Nicaragua_2012 18:08:51 <moray> hi (late) 18:08:58 <leogg> yes! thank you gwolf for that! ;) 18:08:58 <gwolf> #info h01ger was for two weeks in Nicaragua, gwolf joined for the last three days 18:08:59 <h01ger> i will add some last ones, from the airport 18:09:11 <hask> o/ 18:09:14 <h01ger> incl pics of taxi drivers and atms and telefoncard shops 18:09:14 <gwolf> #info Photos available at http://layer-acht.org/fotos/660_Nicaragua_2012 18:09:24 <h01ger> gwolf, meetbot does that by itself :) 18:09:34 <gwolf> h01ger: #info f00, /me shuts up 18:09:35 <gwolf> :) 18:09:39 <h01ger> hi vicm3 - logs available at meetbot.debian.net 18:09:42 <h01ger> gwolf, :) 18:09:57 <h01ger> #topic open points problems 18:10:25 <h01ger> #info problems are uplink, fibreswitch and possibly, the food location 18:10:37 <h01ger> uplink is just not clear, else we are working on alternatives 18:10:40 <gwolf> I don't expect uplink to be a problem 18:10:43 <h01ger> will be clear in 2 weeks 18:10:51 <h01ger> fibreswitch is needed, see the list 18:10:53 <gwolf> h01ger: nema problema. 18:11:08 <h01ger> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20120505.010935.9b73080a.en.html 18:11:28 <h01ger> gwolf, jajaja 18:11:43 <gwolf> Food place is what I'd worry about... 18:11:44 <h01ger> gwolf, its helpful to track important points as such... 18:12:01 <gwolf> We have an open court in the University available as a food place. Problems: 18:12:04 <h01ger> and hopefully, really last, food place 18:12:05 <gwolf> 1- It's not very big 18:12:16 <gwolf> 2- It's open, so we have to get a roof (tent?) for it 18:12:21 <leogg> gwolf, yes, finding a suitable place for food inside campus has been difficult 18:12:35 * h01ger suggests to move on. we cannot discuss/solve this here anyway 18:12:38 <gwolf> 3- There is no light at night (and dinner will be after dark) 18:12:39 <leogg> definitely a tent... because it's rain season 18:12:51 <n0rman> we missed to ask gwolf to find a place for food during his visit to UCA :/ 18:12:54 <h01ger> just please make a list of current most pressing / important problems and name those 3 18:12:59 <h01ger> n0rman, right! 18:13:04 <leogg> n0rman, :) 18:13:20 <h01ger> anything else from the visit? (which is not on the agenda elsehow?) 18:13:41 <h01ger> else, next topic... 18:13:55 <xamanu> i think it is worth to mention that it was motivating for a lot of people in the local team 18:14:14 <h01ger> xamanu, heh. right. totally worth and glad to hear! :-) 18:14:28 <gwolf> xamanu: it was likely quite motivating for the DebConf chairs :) 18:14:36 <h01ger> hi noahfx, hi aranax - logs available are at meetbot.debian.net 18:14:37 <gwolf> like*wise* 18:14:38 <h01ger> #save 18:14:48 <noahfx> h01ger: thanks 18:14:53 <aranax> kk 18:14:57 * h01ger nods gwolf - muchas gracias a tod@s! 18:15:14 <leogg> h01ger, gwolf, thank you! :) 18:15:33 <h01ger> #topic debian day 18:15:46 <leogg> right 18:15:59 <leogg> so, we had a meeting on monday 18:16:00 <h01ger> http://whiteboard.debian.net/dc12-debianday.wb has notes from planning it 18:16:13 <h01ger> and the agenda says "stands" and now i shut up and listen to leogg :) 18:16:19 <leogg> thanks, was just looking for the link :) 18:16:45 <leogg> so, lilix and I was discussing the stands issue 18:16:59 <h01ger> whats the issue? 18:17:21 <h01ger> "There are some local companies interested in sponsoring and having their stands during debian day" - how is that an issue? 18:17:35 <lilix> there is a sponsor interested in having a stand in debian day 18:17:45 <moray> I thought we discussed this some months ago? 18:17:46 <lilix> but they're not interested in sponsoring debconf 18:18:20 <h01ger> lilix, what are they offering us? 18:18:27 <n0rman> and we decide that only debconf spnsors can have a booth during debianday :/ 18:18:38 <leogg> moray, yes... but we want to discuss it again 18:18:46 <n0rman> but we can charge them for the booth, and we don't have to rent spaces 18:18:49 <lilix> they use fedora, so it's not really their public 18:18:54 <gwolf> It seems they are interested in getting through to the local public 18:18:55 <leogg> based on this sponsors request 18:18:59 <gwolf> but not to the DebConf whole audience 18:19:22 <lilix> gwolf, yes... that's right 18:19:23 <gwolf> ...so they are interested in only hiring a stand - That would still mean some income to us, but not as much as a sponsor 18:19:34 <leogg> gwolf, right 18:19:45 <h01ger> so what exactly are they offering us? 18:19:48 <n0rman> right 18:20:09 <leogg> h01ger, around $500 or more 18:20:10 <n0rman> h01ger: we can charge them, we need to stablish how much we will charge for a booth during debianday 18:20:15 <gwolf> what was the cost of renting the tent for their stand? 18:20:22 <n0rman> we were thinking 300-500USD 18:20:27 <h01ger> leogg, cool. deal, i'd say 18:20:29 <gwolf> stand/booth 18:20:32 <n0rman> gwolf: we don't have to rent anything 18:20:33 <n0rman> gwolf: right 18:20:36 * h01ger looks irritated at n0rman ;p 18:20:38 <gwolf> n0rman: where will they be? 18:21:01 <n0rman> outside of Aula Magna (need to think a new name :P) 18:21:09 <n0rman> we can ask UCA for tents and tables 18:21:10 <lilix> gwolf, we'll have the stands for free 18:21:11 <n0rman> and chairs 18:21:14 <gwolf> in the ~6x6m entrance? 18:21:17 <vicm3> assign them spaces? floor and they bring their seats and tables? or use tables from UCA? 18:21:21 <leogg> gwolf, that's right 18:21:50 <lilix> we're asking UCA for tents tables and chairs for the stands 18:21:51 <h01ger> i think 500 usd for a stand at debianday in managua is totally fine 18:21:52 <gwolf> So, US$500 for being there for a day - No mention in webpages or anything? 18:22:03 <gwolf> It seems quite good fo rus 18:22:16 <leogg> I agree... less than USD 500 is not worth all the trouble 18:22:17 * h01ger is also fine with naming them on the debianday website 18:22:41 <moray> h01ger: I'd rather not risk upsetting normal sponsors that way 18:22:46 <h01ger> maybe with link||logo for more? (or just not offer it. i think i prefer that. maybe link as thats no work and good practice) 18:23:01 <h01ger> moray, with what? 18:23:05 <moray> h01ger: with website stuff 18:23:09 <xamanu> h01ger: but "only" on the http://debconf12.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml 18:23:16 * h01ger looks at debianday.org and sighs 18:23:27 <lilix> gwolf, mention in debian day posters and press interviews 18:23:35 <leogg> yes, logo only on the relevant debian day page 18:23:38 <gwolf> I'd also prefer not to have extra sponsors appear in the website... as it breaks things. Maybe what lilix says, but that's it 18:23:38 <moray> sigh 18:23:43 <moray> this is *not* just a stand then 18:23:46 <gwolf> right 18:23:48 <moray> if it's a just a stand, ok 18:23:51 * gwolf stands with moray 18:23:56 <leogg> and as lilix says, we'll have a lot of press for debian day 18:23:59 <moray> but if it's website, mentions, etc., it should be more like the normal prices 18:24:18 <h01ger> so if press talks with them there fine 18:24:26 <h01ger> but we dont mention them in *our* press releases 18:24:29 <gwolf> press is free to approach whoever they want 18:24:37 <leogg> moray, if logo on website is a problem, i'm fine with not giving them that 18:24:40 <h01ger> and we dont mention them on http://debconf12.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml 18:24:43 <gwolf> but yes, we will not explicitly thank them (as we *will* thank UCA) 18:24:48 <vicm3> I bet they only want to be on the DebianDay and don't even care about the web 18:24:56 <gwolf> vicm3: most probably. 18:24:58 <h01ger> do we agree on these three things? 18:25:06 <moray> leogg: it just seems to me, that mentioning them / putting logos etc., risks upsetting other sponsors 18:25:11 <moray> who pay a lot more for the same 18:25:27 <h01ger> 1. so if press talks with them thats fine 18:25:28 <vicm3> I agree with moray 18:25:31 <h01ger> 2. but we dont mention them in *our* press releases 18:25:34 <h01ger> 3. and we dont mention them on http://debconf12.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml 18:25:35 <lilix> they just want local exposure... website is not necessary 18:25:35 <leogg> moray, then we don't offer them that 18:25:46 <moray> for the stand itself, *if* we have enough room, and if $500 is enough that we won't run out of space for stands, then sure 18:25:58 <h01ger> moray, there is enough space 18:26:05 <n0rman> leogg: we are just offering them space during debianday 18:26:11 <gwolf> moray: we can measure the space and give them specific space in it 18:26:22 <gwolf> and if 10 people want stands, grant them only to the first n 18:26:23 <h01ger> do you agree on those 3 points? 18:26:28 <n0rman> h01ger: for me is ok 18:26:29 <gwolf> I agree. 18:26:31 <lilix> moray, we have room for 10-12 stands 18:26:40 <leogg> n0rman, right... and press talks 18:26:42 <gwolf> lilix: 10 stands? Stands are usually ~3x3m 18:26:43 <h01ger> lilix, leogg ? 18:26:46 <h01ger> do you agree on those 3 points? 18:26:48 <gwolf> that would just not fit. 18:26:58 <h01ger> there is space 18:27:04 <h01ger> been there, seen it 18:27:05 <leogg> gwolf, the stands are 1.5x1.5 18:27:09 <h01ger> sigh 18:27:12 <leogg> something like that 18:27:17 <h01ger> lilix, leogg: do you agree on those 3 points? 18:27:22 <leogg> h01ger, stands like during flisol 18:27:37 <h01ger> leogg, ... 18:27:42 <gwolf> leogg: there's hardly place for a person to stand on that space 18:27:46 <h01ger> <h01ger> been there, seen it 18:27:49 * vicm3 thinks that 3 points are perfectly fine :) 18:27:51 <h01ger> <h01ger> lilix, leogg: do you agree on those 3 points? 18:27:51 <leogg> h01ger, I'm fine with it 18:27:57 <h01ger> genial! 18:28:06 <leogg> lilix, are you fine with those 3 points? 18:28:21 <n0rman> wuju! :) 18:28:32 <h01ger> #agreed on local stands during debianday for 500 USD. with no mentioning them in our press releases (as indiviual sponsors) nor on the website 18:28:40 <lilix> yes :) 18:29:03 <leogg> great! 18:29:18 <h01ger> anything else about debianday? 18:29:37 <vicm3> translation? 18:29:42 <leogg> h01ger, nothing else... the rest is in the meeting minutes 18:29:52 <gwolf> vicm3: right 18:30:09 <gwolf> It seems talks are much prefered to be in Spanish only 18:30:09 <n0rman> concert? :) 18:30:16 <h01ger> later 18:30:19 <gwolf> So we will have to translate speakers 18:30:24 <gwolf> It will *not* be with dedicated infrastructure 18:30:25 <h01ger> do we? 18:30:30 <gwolf> it will be via volunteers 18:30:31 <leogg> gwolf, that's right...we prefer talks in spanish 18:30:35 <n0rman> yes 18:30:40 <gwolf> So, we have to give priority to speakers who speak Spanish 18:30:46 <h01ger> dont we have spanish speakers? in mexico we had, or? 18:30:47 <moray> if we prefer Spanish, can't we just choose people who speak it, yes 18:30:51 <gwolf> but we *do* want some who don't 18:30:54 <leogg> gwolf, and personally I'm not a huge fan of translated talks 18:30:55 <gwolf> h01ger: we have some, and we had some 18:30:56 <moray> gwolf: do we need that? 18:31:03 <gwolf> in Argentina we had a track in Spanish and one in English 18:31:06 <h01ger> #info we want spanish speakers for debian day 18:31:16 <moray> gwolf: translated talks normally end up being boring compared to ones from native speakers 18:31:17 <h01ger> #info in Argentina we had a track in Spanish and one in English 18:31:31 <h01ger> would english talks work in .ni? 18:31:32 <leogg> moray, right 18:31:37 <moray> gwolf: you can also get people to write the talk in collaboration with a non-Spanish speaker 18:31:39 <gwolf> moray: right. But missing Zack's or Bdale's talk is a worse alternative 18:31:41 <leogg> h01ger, not during debian day 18:31:44 <h01ger> i got different opinions edited into the report ;) 18:31:51 <moray> gwolf: but have the Spanish speaker give it 18:31:56 <gwolf> h01ger: there's still room to play with 18:32:08 <h01ger> debianday.org is fixed now \o/ 18:32:13 <gwolf> we were talking about a single track in the morning, and two parallel tracks on the evening 18:32:22 <leogg> yay! 18:32:26 <gwolf> (so +- 3 plenaries and 4 talks side by side) 18:32:33 <gwolf> (of course, *if* we have enough talks) 18:32:35 <vicm3> :) 18:32:36 <h01ger> fitoria, gwolf: can you please check penta for how many debianday submissions we already have? 18:32:47 <h01ger> and, next point? 18:32:48 <gwolf> h01ger: that's another point Iw anted to talk about :) 18:32:51 <moray> gwolf: from my point of view, a 5 or 10 minute zack talk, translated, would solve the problem without getting into the "boring translation" issue 18:32:58 <h01ger> lets move faster please 18:33:01 <moray> (rather than a full slot) 18:33:02 <leogg> h01ger, last time I checked there were only 2 talks submitted 18:33:05 <gwolf> h01ger: I checked on Monday, and we had still very few talks 18:33:07 <h01ger> we have 30min left and lots of topics 18:33:07 <moray> but, we don't need to discuss this all now :) 18:33:13 <gwolf> 18 talks in total (debconf+debday) 18:33:14 <h01ger> gwolf, check and share please 18:33:22 <gwolf> h01ger: I am doing that... 18:33:25 <h01ger> #topic budget 18:33:26 <moray> debian day is a local team problem :p 18:33:29 <gwolf> grr... 18:33:34 <h01ger> and lets move on please 18:33:35 <leogg> moray, :) 18:33:41 <h01ger> whats the current budget status? 18:33:48 <h01ger> leogg, n0rman ^^ ? 18:33:53 <h01ger> (or any other takers) 18:34:08 <leogg> right 18:34:33 <leogg> h01ger, do you want some numbers? 18:34:37 <h01ger> yes 18:34:41 <h01ger> or ponies 18:34:42 <xamanu> h01ger we have $48,618.18 in sponsorship money 18:34:51 <h01ger> expenses? 18:34:52 <leogg> $53618.18 so far 18:34:59 <leogg> with the new sponsor 18:35:02 <xamanu> leogg: cool! 18:35:03 <xamanu> :) 18:35:08 * gwolf wants some ponies instead 18:35:18 <h01ger> the one "only" for central americans...(?!) 18:35:25 <leogg> and $14680 with pro and corporate atendees 18:35:30 <leogg> aprox. 18:35:39 <leogg> h01ger, that's right 18:35:54 <h01ger> and expenses? 18:36:05 <h01ger> or rather, costs... 18:36:06 <xamanu> a big whoooo, because this means we have enough money for DebConf (excluding travel grants and accommodation) 18:36:11 <leogg> we still have some regular sponsors that haven't commited to give money, so it should go up a bit 18:36:36 <h01ger> #info still no budget for travel sponsorship and accom, but at least we will have a debconf 18:36:39 <leogg> yes, we have the minimum required for debconf right now 18:36:44 <vicm3> \o/ 18:36:47 <h01ger> \o/ 18:36:50 <moray> wow 18:36:53 <gwolf> \o/ 18:36:54 <h01ger> seriously. thats \o/ 18:37:06 <moray> so I should book flights, then? ;) 18:37:06 <leogg> yessssss 18:37:11 <h01ger> lol 18:37:16 <leogg> moray, you should! :) 18:37:18 <gwolf> How far are we from reaching accomodation? 18:37:28 <leogg> and we'll be able to sleep better at night 18:37:29 <h01ger> moray, personally i'd prefer boat 18:37:41 <moray> h01ger: more time to adjust to the temperature? 18:37:49 <h01ger> :) 18:38:00 <gwolf> moray: don't bother trying. Nobody can adjust to that temperature, no matter what. 18:38:32 <h01ger> how much is housing? 18:38:42 <moray> yes, an answer to gwolf's question would be good 18:38:43 <leogg> gwolf, accomodation is around $50K 18:38:44 <h01ger> 50k??? 18:38:47 <leogg> yes 18:38:52 <h01ger> ouch 18:38:54 <gwolf> wow... Still a long shot 18:38:59 <leogg> and $40K for travel sponsorship 18:39:01 <gwolf> leogg: for how many attendees is that? 18:39:18 <h01ger> leogg, i think the good part is that the next meeting point will be quite short 18:39:23 <leogg> gwolf, for 75 during debcamp and 150 during debconf 18:39:25 <moray> so we need to double what we got so far to do accommodation, roughly? 18:39:26 <h01ger> (which is that) 18:39:35 <leogg> yes 18:39:36 <gwolf> ...ouch 18:39:39 <moray> if we're that far off accommodation do we need to start warning people? 18:39:57 <h01ger> http://munin.debconf.org/debconf.org/skinner.debconf.org.html#Pentabarf is at 155 people, btw 18:39:58 <moray> as attendees will be assuming they just get it, still 18:40:05 <leogg> registration is still at ~150 18:40:12 <gwolf> moray: I think so... 18:40:16 <h01ger> moray, we dont even have reconfirmation phase really planned out :) 18:40:17 <leogg> so housing can go down 18:40:27 <moray> h01ger: right, but some people will be booking flights already 18:40:30 <leogg> and food also BTW 18:40:33 <h01ger> moray, and we have more options for money 18:40:39 <h01ger> moray, "dont worry..." 18:40:50 <h01ger> ie attendees who can, pay part 18:41:08 <h01ger> next point? 18:41:18 <h01ger> #topic travel sponsorship team 18:41:37 <gwolf> Well, we'd need somebody to form this team 18:41:38 <moray> haha 18:41:39 <h01ger> #info even if we have no money we have some money at least for central americans, so we should form this team 18:41:40 <gwolf> but alternatively 18:41:48 <gwolf> we can just assume there will be no travel sponsorship team 18:42:01 <moray> h01ger: I thought that money will go for food + accomm first? 18:42:08 <fil> this is my fault, right? 18:42:09 <h01ger> #info and should we have some money... its good to be prepared. 18:42:18 * fil hangs head in shame 18:42:23 <h01ger> moray, no. the one sponsor wants to give to central americans only 18:42:29 <moray> h01ger: yes, I know that 18:42:33 <gwolf> fil: we don't want you to hang head. We want you to become a platinum sponsor! 18:42:39 <h01ger> and we discussed ising this for travel sponsorship 18:42:56 <moray> h01ger: but the food+accommodation of all CA people reach more than $5k? 18:42:59 <moray> won't 18:43:08 <h01ger> right. accom will do 18:43:13 <gwolf> h01ger: still, we can use the money from that sponsor to pay for their stay at DebConf 18:43:14 <h01ger> but they will need sponsorship too 18:43:19 <h01ger> and this needs to be decided too 18:43:22 <gwolf> rather than their travel to Nicaragua 18:43:29 <gwolf> I think it's much fairer 18:43:30 <h01ger> so we need a team to decide sponsorship in any case 18:43:37 <fil> gwolf: I'd love to have that much spare cash burning a hole in my pocket 18:43:38 * h01ger sighs 18:43:43 <gwolf> because they will probably have to be food-and-hotel sponsored anyway 18:43:50 <h01ger> #topic sponsorship team 18:44:00 <h01ger> #info someone needs to decide who is worth the money 18:44:04 <h01ger> #info a team 18:44:13 * h01ger sighs 18:44:23 <moray> this is a more relevant point: 18:44:28 <gwolf> #agreed We agree to disagree 18:44:33 <moray> if we are short on money, just giving it to "all who ask" may be silly 18:44:44 <moray> even for food and accommodation (if we have money to pay for those at all) 18:44:47 <h01ger> gwolf, ???? 18:45:09 <gwolf> h01ger: Yes, I don't think we can form a team to give travel money, even to Central Americans under this special sponsor consideration 18:45:10 <moray> gwolf: suppose we have some money to pay accommodation (like those $5k), but not enough for everyone 18:45:15 <h01ger> (yes we do, but i'm trying to not repeat discussions all over and over and over again) 18:45:20 <moray> gwolf: we need some mechanism to decide who gets it 18:45:25 <h01ger> debconf starts to bore me, i should quit 18:45:28 <gwolf> ok, right 18:45:37 <moray> previous years we just said "everyone gets it", and avoided the question 18:45:42 <moray> but maybe we won't have that much money 18:45:50 <h01ger> moray, no we didnt 18:45:52 <gwolf> so we could do a similar mechanics to the "regular" travel bursars team, but geared towards food+hotel 18:46:12 <ana> we didn't do that in dc10 moray (same issue: money) 18:46:27 <h01ger> we always check people 18:46:30 <h01ger> except when we know them 18:46:43 <ana> h01ger: we didn'd last year, everybody got 'it' 18:46:44 <h01ger> ie we dont check ana, we know ana :) +hi, ana! :) 18:47:19 <h01ger> local team checked locals last year 18:47:43 <h01ger> there was a check. we just dont accept everybody who registers *just* becasue they made a deadline 18:47:56 <h01ger> can someone else please take over chairing? etootired 18:48:12 <moray> I was being approximate, but sorry if that derailed the discussion 18:48:17 <ana> i don't want even to discuss that :). Important point: in dc10 we were short of money and we checked people: just asking them what they do and it worked well 18:48:23 <moray> my point was, we haven't always had a formal team about it 18:48:26 <moray> but maybe we need that this year 18:48:47 <moray> i.e. a "sponsorship team" (bursaries/support/grants/whatever) like the topic says 18:48:52 <gwolf> it seems we do 18:49:14 <gwolf> just sorting the whole list of attendees acording to their value to DebConf 18:49:21 <h01ger> all the time tiny bits distracting each topic. and people having fun with it, i agree to disagree to like that 18:50:03 <gwolf> ok, so what follows here? We agree we need that team 18:50:11 <gwolf> so, any volunteers? 18:50:26 <gwolf> Volunteers who are familiar with Debian people, of course..? 18:50:47 <moray> gwolf: the team leaders needn't be familiar with everyone, if they recruit others who are 18:50:56 <moray> (by fil's clever methods, or more traditionally) 18:51:18 <leogg> I volunteer if you need some local in the team 18:51:23 * n0rman doesn't know if he wants (or if it's needed) to raise his hand :) 18:51:28 <gwolf> anyway - I'm not leading that team. This year I'm too much behind in getting the talks team to work 18:51:46 <gwolf> I want to get this part done before going on with the next 18:51:48 <n0rman> If you need a local, I'm here too 18:52:24 <gwolf> leogg, n0rman: I think that for *this* topic in particular, somebody who has more direct knowledge of who is who is needed... 18:52:37 <gwolf> ...although you could try recruiting others who are, as moray says 18:52:44 <n0rman> gwolf: ok 18:52:47 <xamanu> gwolf: and could we send an email asking for volunteers to dc-discuss? 18:52:48 <leogg> right 18:52:51 <Clint> also it should be someone not applying for a travel grant 18:52:56 <gwolf> n0rman: so you are the leader? 18:53:10 <n0rman> gwolf: if it's ok, I can do it 18:53:11 <gwolf> #info n0rman will lead the sponsorship rating team 18:53:26 <moray> n0rman: please discuss with us later if you have questions about it 18:53:36 <n0rman> moray: and I have a lot :) 18:53:42 <gwolf> Clint: yes. At least, most preferably. Although most of us do want a hotel+food sponsorship 18:53:47 <gwolf> ok, on to next topic 18:53:51 <h01ger> update: budget from sponsors: + another 5k 18:54:06 <gwolf> #topic Government status 18:54:15 <moray> (we're organising a coup?) 18:54:18 <gwolf> h01ger: That's putting to good use your tiredness! ;-) 18:54:28 <gwolf> moray: sshh, it's already under way 18:54:32 <gwolf> who has news on this? 18:54:47 <gwolf> sudo apt-get install nicaragua 18:54:57 <n0rman> well 18:55:00 <xamanu> We (n0rman, jimbodoors, h01ger and me) had meetings with the vice-presidents office 18:55:24 <xamanu> they are evaluating their support 18:55:43 <xamanu> they will tell us soon 18:55:46 <n0rman> actually is CONICYT (Consejo Nicaraguense de Ciencia y Tecnología), is a office that depends from vice-presidence 18:56:54 <n0rman> xamanu: ? 18:56:57 <xamanu> further we are a step further with the JS (juventud sandinista) and getting formal letters in with a list applying for help (most non-money but buses, radios, visa support, a welcome room in the airport, etc) 18:57:21 <h01ger> \o/ 18:57:28 <leogg> FYI ---> I'm sending that letter to JS today 18:58:07 <gwolf> ok, so it all looks good 18:58:14 <xamanu> so in short words: we are working on two ways and it looks quite good but we have to wait a bit more 18:58:14 <gwolf> even if it's up to now just good wishes 18:58:27 <gwolf> but there's expectative for them to become concrete :-) 18:58:34 <gwolf> xamanu: any idea on how much more? 18:58:38 <h01ger> #info good discussions with the government, concrete results pending 18:58:47 <xamanu> gwolf: no idea 18:58:48 <n0rman> gwolf: yes, at least they show they are intereested but need to discuss with other people before they can say yes 18:58:53 <h01ger> #info (on various levels) 18:58:54 <gwolf> ok... 18:59:00 <gwolf> Onwards 18:59:03 <h01ger> #save 18:59:05 <gwolf> #topic Free and leisure time 18:59:15 <xamanu> good topic! 18:59:17 <xamanu> Id like to introduce fito. He is "new" to the local team and in charge of the Free Time and Leisure team. Please note that he speaks Spanish only. He is present in the channel and sitting next to me :) 18:59:18 * h01ger cheers fito 18:59:21 <gwolf> Oh, we had a lot of free and leisure time in Nicaragua! 18:59:34 <gwolf> oh, wasn't that the topic? ;-) 18:59:48 <fito> hola gente 18:59:49 <gwolf> Well, I might say that we *NEED* to motivate people to submit talk proposals 18:59:54 <h01ger> eg we'll likely have drums for the starting session 8-) 18:59:57 <gwolf> because otherwise... we will have TOO MUCH free and leisure time. 18:59:59 <h01ger> gwolf, blog it 19:00:02 <xamanu> Fito started yesterday with a tentative cultural agenda. http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/FreeTime#Calendario_tentativo 19:00:02 <gwolf> fito: welcome 19:00:05 <h01ger> use the dc12 blog account via svn 19:00:07 <gwolf> h01ger: I will 19:00:10 <xamanu> There are events planned for most of the days/nights (such as concerts, poetry night, theatre, etc..) and some permanent offers (like yoga, massages, etc..). 19:00:23 <xamanu> All information is still in Spanish language, but will be translated and put into penta when the things are getting more concrete. 19:00:28 <moray> hm, remember most attendees are self-organising :) 19:00:45 <h01ger> #info There are events planned for most of the days/nights (such as concerts, poetry night, theatre, etc..) and some permanent offers (like yoga, massages, etc..). 19:00:52 <h01ger> #info All information is still in Spanish language, but will be translated and put into penta when the things are getting more concrete. 19:00:53 <moray> advertising possibilities is good, but don't get too caught up in trying to decide who people will spend their time 19:00:57 <xamanu> moray: dont worry people can still do whatever they want 19:01:12 <xamanu> Fito had also the idea of organizing an open to the public concert after Debian Day calling it like the former serious of concerts the local FS community was organizing: "Mover tu mouse con libertad". This will be coordinated with lilix, leogg and the others with from the Debian Day team. 19:01:22 <h01ger> #info there is also a spanish teacher who will be offering classes (probably via posting to -discuss@) 19:01:29 <gwolf> (please translate for fito) 19:01:44 <gwolf> I see there are several activities planned for during DebConf, before 5/6PM 19:01:57 <moray> it's also best to advertise events where people will end up discussing debian topics 19:02:00 <gwolf> Please don't do any activities during DebConf work times. 19:02:05 <moray> which can mean just bar visits etc. 19:02:15 <moray> but some activities tend to exclude technical discussions 19:02:25 <leogg> yes, it could be distracting 19:02:50 <h01ger> you nay-sayers :-D 19:03:11 <vicm3> :) 19:03:21 <gwolf> h01ger: we want to have fun and it's a great opportunity to get a lot of cultural activities 19:03:24 <h01ger> also debconf is (also) ment as a social event 19:03:27 <gwolf> from people we *know* that are very interesting 19:03:33 <h01ger> we can hack 365/24-14*24 :) 19:03:39 <gwolf> however, we must give priority to the technical work that gets us there 19:03:49 <h01ger> sure. next point? 19:03:54 <leogg> no, please let's have some fun also :) 19:03:59 <gwolf> So, I'd prefer not having them (except, say, for the gigantona at the inauguration) during the day. 19:04:09 <gwolf> #topic DebConf12 art 19:04:32 <leogg> right 19:04:41 <leogg> who put this on agenda BTW? :) 19:04:47 <n0rman> leogg: me :) 19:04:56 <leogg> lilix, and I have been working on the dc12 art 19:05:05 <leogg> there's still some things missing 19:05:12 <leogg> like the conference banners 19:05:32 <leogg> n0rman, anything else you want to add? 19:05:49 <h01ger> leogg, lilix: do you have previews? 19:05:57 <n0rman> t-shirts and bags final designs? 19:06:10 <leogg> h01ger, http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Artwork 19:06:10 <n0rman> I know we have some designs, but hwe haven't decide one yet 19:06:11 <gwolf> n0rman: that's not something that should really worry us right now 19:06:17 <n0rman> gwolf: ok 19:06:26 <h01ger> so next point? 19:06:27 <gwolf> #topic Food team status 19:06:31 <leogg> n0rman, we have some designs and are going to check prices next week 19:06:42 <gwolf> have you had an answer from the Cipreses person? 19:06:50 <n0rman> gwolf: CIPRES 19:06:51 <h01ger> the countdown would be very nice to have on dc12.dc.o and wiki.dc.o 19:06:59 <h01ger> whats cipreses? 19:07:04 <h01ger> whats cipres? 19:07:09 <n0rman> gwolf: and not yet, they called Diana, but don't know what they tell them 19:07:20 <n0rman> h01ger: CIPRES, the place? 19:07:21 <xamanu> h10ger: the last place you saw. on the other side of the street from UCA 19:07:22 <leogg> lilix, will work on the countdown banner 19:07:25 <gwolf> h01ger: the place across the avenue 19:07:38 <h01ger> ah. the cheese and wine place 19:07:45 <h01ger> or the supermarket next to it? 19:07:47 <leogg> that's right 19:07:52 <n0rman> cw place 19:07:59 <leogg> but CIPRES is only for CW party 19:08:00 <h01ger> or them making us food for UCA or to eat there? 19:08:23 <gwolf> leogg: we asked them, maybe, to eat there. They serve food starting at Cs60 per person, and it's a decent venue 19:08:25 * bdale can't help thinking "Country and Western" first every time he sees "CW party" 19:08:40 <n0rman> leogg: h01ger we plan to have cwparty, conference dinner and lunch+dinner, costs 19:08:41 <gwolf> so we should at least consider it - maybe it's a bit too far or whatever 19:08:42 <vicm3> how about get a quote for bot? 19:08:45 <h01ger> bdale, LOL 19:08:46 <leogg> h01ger, it's quite difficult to eat there, maybe use catering service if they have 19:08:51 <Clint> bdale: better than WC party 19:08:52 <vicm3> both? 19:09:03 <gwolf> bdale: you are welcome to bring your violin and boots to CW party 19:09:20 <h01ger> gwolf, xamanu thinks its too far for every day 19:09:36 <leogg> mangoderosa, o/ 19:09:49 <h01ger> holas mangoderosa! 19:09:50 <gwolf> h01ger: It probably is, but we can check if it's convenient. There are several problems with the courtyard they are offering us at paseo de la memoria 19:09:51 <n0rman> h01ger: yes, is far for a 2 walks a day trip 19:09:51 <bdale> or a ham radio transceiver, since CW is also shorthand for "continuous wave" aka Morse code 19:09:59 <mangoderosa> hey everyone! sorry for the delay 19:10:02 <leogg> mangoderosa, update on food team? 19:10:03 <gwolf> mangoderosa: o/ 19:10:05 <n0rman> but it won't hurt to have a quotation from them :) 19:10:06 <h01ger> mangoderosa, meeting logs at meetbot.debian.net 19:10:09 <h01ger> #save 19:10:18 <mangoderosa> but may in my defense I was working on the debconf 19:10:26 <leogg> :) 19:10:27 <h01ger> :)) 19:10:32 <n0rman> great mangoderosa 19:10:50 <mangoderosa> we got like five prices. The best one so far is from the cafeteria that´s in UCA 19:11:01 <mangoderosa> they charge around 2 bucks for each meal including bevereage 19:11:11 <gwolf> mangoderosa: US$2? 19:11:12 <leogg> mangoderosa, is that pepe's cafeteria? 19:11:18 <gwolf> ≈Cs50? 19:11:23 <n0rman> great :) 19:11:26 <mangoderosa> no, los Castillo 19:11:47 <mangoderosa> yes, and we have two other options for around U$3.5 19:11:49 <h01ger> mangoderosa, once gwolf and fitoria fixed it, http://munin.debconf.org/debconf.org/skinner.debconf.org-penta_food.html will also show you vegetarian/vegan/other food options ;) 19:11:54 * vicm3 thinks we need good maps 19:12:06 <n0rman> mangoderosa: what options are those? 19:12:11 <mangoderosa> great, that would be u seful 19:12:30 <gwolf> h01ger: I cannot fix munin 19:12:33 <mangoderosa> one from a bufet that´s near UCA (Siempre Riko) 19:12:36 <gwolf> I have no access to it 19:12:37 * xamanu is working on good maps :) 19:12:44 <h01ger> vicm3, i've played a bit today with openstreetmap to generate a map with an extra layer which can be printed. if someone has experience with that, please contact me 19:12:45 <n0rman> oh, Siempre Riko, cool 19:12:59 <mangoderosa> and we got another one from ATC (Rural workers´association) 19:13:00 <h01ger> gwolf, uhm, why? ah. you're not admin 19:13:13 <n0rman> mangoderosa: the last one, is from CIPRES? 19:13:16 <h01ger> gwolf, lets discuss this after the meeting 19:13:27 <mangoderosa> they have their own cafeteria, but it´s in Ticuantepe, so their prices would be a little higher because of the transportation 19:13:30 * gwolf does not *want* to be an admin :) 19:13:49 <n0rman> mangoderosa: ATC is not CIPRES? 19:13:57 <mangoderosa> no, it´s a different one, but the lady in charge of ATC´s was going to try to get us a price from CIPRES 19:13:58 <h01ger> mangoderosa, great! what steps do you plan next? 19:14:08 <gwolf> mangoderosa: I'm tempted to avoid (if not outright discard) everything that involves transport 19:14:09 <mangoderosa> they´re partners but they´re not the same 19:14:25 <h01ger> ie you could send a mail to the list if you need advise how to choose or such... 19:14:29 <n0rman> mangoderosa: don't you know is CIPRES called Diana? and what they told her? 19:14:32 <mangoderosa> ok, will do! 19:14:49 <n0rman> s/is/if 19:14:54 <mangoderosa> Diana spoke with a dinner in Jinotepe 19:15:04 <mangoderosa> which is our vegetarian option so far 19:15:18 <mangoderosa> but we have other ones in mind, but not official numbers yet 19:15:23 <leogg> jinotepe is a bit far 19:15:29 <mangoderosa> yes, i think so to 19:15:30 <mangoderosa> too 19:15:57 <mangoderosa> we´ll probably find something in Managua 19:16:03 <mangoderosa> soon 19:16:05 <h01ger> gwolf, i dont think transportation is that bad. i expect those people offering that to have mobile kitchens and be very used to that. right, mangoderosa ? 19:16:14 <mangoderosa> exactly 19:16:24 <n0rman> mangoderosa: so, don't you know if CIPRES called Diana yesterday? 19:16:34 * h01ger still does worry about the eating location at UCA 19:16:35 <mangoderosa> she didn´t tell me 19:16:38 <leogg> mangoderosa, we also got a quote from teodolinda today, right? 19:16:39 <gwolf> h01ger: oh, I understand it meant transportation for attendees to an eating place 19:16:42 * xamanu is thinking about changing the status in penta to vegetarian food. for sure this is going to be excellent.... rico...rico 19:16:43 <h01ger> if it doesnt rain, its fine... 19:16:46 <mangoderosa> yes 19:16:56 <gwolf> if they are able to move their kitchen, I don't care if they are from Belize 19:17:02 <h01ger> :) 19:17:04 <leogg> :) 19:17:06 <mangoderosa> :p 19:17:13 <mangoderosa> about the eating location 19:17:20 <mangoderosa> do we have to fix that up or who´s doing it 19:17:29 <mangoderosa> (cause we aren´t ---yet) 19:17:29 <h01ger> please just do ;-p 19:17:40 <n0rman> h01ger: yes, and you can't think you will not have rain during july in MAnagua :) 19:17:41 <xamanu> mangoderosa: do you have any idea yet for the conference dinner? 19:17:42 <h01ger> mangoderosa, do you know about the planned location? 19:18:25 <xamanu> this maybe a bit complicated.... 19:18:28 <mangoderosa> we havent spoken about the dinner. and i feel we´re still a little confused in the team on that issue. Is that the same wine and cheese party? 19:18:45 <h01ger> mangoderosa, no thats two 19:18:49 <moray> different event 19:18:50 <gwolf> mangoderosa: no, it's a different one 19:18:57 <mangoderosa> oh ok. 19:18:57 <gwolf> mangoderosa: for C&W we just need a place 19:18:59 <h01ger> mangoderosa, http://debconf12.debconf.org/dates.xhtml 19:19:00 <moray> but normally we only organise the dinner once we have enough money... 19:19:02 <mangoderosa> perfect 19:19:03 * ana raises eyebrow at the homeopathy stuff at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/FreeTime#Calendario_tentativo 19:19:07 <gwolf> For the conference dinner, we need the full dinner 19:19:21 <gwolf> ana: you are welcome to agree to peacefully disagree. 19:19:25 <ana> don't worry too much abotu the free time, people always find something to do 19:19:26 <mangoderosa> ok ok 19:19:34 <h01ger> moray, well, we should have some conf dinner in any case 19:19:43 <gwolf> h01ger: we didn't have one in DC10 19:19:49 <h01ger> even if we only add some cheap candles and wouter plays the flute ;) 19:19:50 <gwolf> if we don't have money for a fancy dinner, we can skip it 19:19:56 <h01ger> gwolf, and it was a big pity 19:19:57 <moray> gwolf: nor 7, at least 19:20:03 <gwolf> (but wouter still gets to play a flute) 19:20:07 <h01ger> it doesnt have to be *fancy* 19:20:10 <moray> gwolf: and 11 we only added it back later 19:20:11 <gwolf> moray: we had ceilidh+pizzas. Great conference dinner! 19:20:20 <h01ger> what gwolf said 19:20:21 <gwolf> moray: We can get everybody to eat pizzas at Fidel's 19:20:26 <moray> gwolf: right, I agree we should have some *event* 19:20:27 <mangoderosa> but if we´re spending less than we thought on everyday food we could manage to do something, right 19:20:30 <gwolf> it would be great! :) 19:20:36 <moray> gwolf: but it needn't be a dinner as such 19:20:40 <moray> if we lack money 19:20:41 <gwolf> mangoderosa: right 19:20:48 <ana> you already have the borrachera formal anyway, not need for a formal dinner :-) 19:20:51 <leogg> pizza at Fidel's sound great! :) 19:20:56 <gwolf> anyway... There are many ideas, but we can quietly close the topic, right? 19:21:07 <gwolf> I'm not precisely happy at scheduling a formal borrachera FWIW 19:21:13 <h01ger> mangoderosa, if you manage to get food 50% cheaper than planned so far, we surely can spend a bit on a bit nicer dinner at another place 19:21:17 <ana> oops, this is still the meeting? /me thought it was the after meeting time 19:21:18 <h01ger> the point is to socialice 19:21:20 <gwolf> although it will probably happen - but it often happens during C&W 19:21:21 <h01ger> not to eat fancy 19:21:40 <gwolf> #topic AOB/next meeting 19:21:42 <vicm3> gwolf: call then GPL like here 19:21:45 <mangoderosa> ok, we´re not too fancy ourselves so, don´t worry 19:21:51 <gwolf> So, AOB? 19:21:52 <mangoderosa> we´ll try to think on something nice 19:22:01 <gwolf> mangoderosa: And I'm sure you will succeed! :) 19:22:02 <xamanu> ISP 19:22:02 <mangoderosa> wanna get back to the eating location 19:22:19 <xamanu> we still have no confirmation from the ISP 19:22:30 <gwolf> mangoderosa: oh, there are things left to discuss from food? 19:22:33 <h01ger> mangoderosa, and if we dont eat every day at CIPRIS (but at UCA, maybe CIPRIS food), we could go there for C+W and conference dinner. though its nicer if c+w + conf dinner are at 2 places, so the attendees move around more :) 19:22:38 <gwolf> sorry for the hurry 19:22:46 <h01ger> #topic still food 19:22:50 * h01ger getting hungry 19:23:09 * gwolf is hungry, and food is at my table at home, and I'm following a long meeting here :( 19:23:20 * n0rman is hungry too :/ 19:23:33 <h01ger> mangoderosa, any questions? 19:23:34 <n0rman> but I don't have food waiting for me 19:23:35 <moray> I'm hungry, especially with the talk about pizza 19:23:40 <moray> I need to cook still 19:23:42 <mangoderosa> yes, about the eating location 19:23:52 <n0rman> moray: you need to eat fidel's pizza :) 19:23:53 <h01ger> whats the question? 19:23:59 <n0rman> mangoderosa: aja? 19:24:03 <mangoderosa> I don´t want us confusing people . If someone has already spoken 19:24:08 <h01ger> people, please stay on topic, the meeting is already overtime... 19:24:10 <mangoderosa> with someone from UCa 19:24:25 <h01ger> mangoderosa, we have a location but uca knows its rather suboptimal 19:24:26 <mangoderosa> or knows who to contact 19:24:47 <h01ger> they couldnt think of a better one and gwolf coulnt find one either 19:25:05 <gwolf> mangoderosa: If you know UCA, they are offering the space between two buildings, in front of "museo de la historia"(?) 19:25:19 <leogg> paseo de las memorias 19:25:21 <gwolf> mangoderosa: we have to provide a tent (or roof, or whatever), and lighting 19:25:26 <gwolf> and it's quite small 19:25:32 <mangoderosa> ok, i think the advantage of having it inside is that people wont have to move 19:25:33 <gwolf> and... it will be wet when it rains 19:25:36 <n0rman> mangoderosa: we were thinking about "el paseo de la memoria" in front ofthe Instituto de Historia 19:25:38 <gwolf> BUT it's in UCA 19:26:14 <mangoderosa> ok 19:26:17 <n0rman> mangoderosa: yes, but we will need tents and if it's rain (and we know it will), it will be difficult to have lunch+dinner 19:26:19 <leogg> yes, that's the only good thing about that location 19:26:37 <gwolf> mangoderosa: we were talking about the possibility to have it at Ciprés -but I agree, it's a bit beyond the comfort zone (i.e. ~200m away) 19:26:39 <leogg> we also need to rent chairs + tables 19:26:40 <mangoderosa> but if it rains it would be harder to move 19:26:45 <gwolf> and if it rains, walking 200m is not so fun 19:27:07 <mangoderosa> ok, and is that for us to do (get chairs, tables, tents, etc?) 19:27:13 <mangoderosa> the food team, i mean 19:27:31 <leogg> mangoderosa, please get a quote on that 19:27:34 <leogg> yes 19:27:57 <leogg> big tents probably from caupolican? 19:28:06 <mangoderosa> ok, will tell the people, then ;) 19:28:09 <leogg> chairs and tables are easier to get 19:28:09 <h01ger> :) 19:28:09 <gwolf> anything else on this topic that has to be during the meeting? 19:28:29 <h01ger> mangoderosa, and then please share quotes with the list so that people can update the budget :-) 19:28:51 <leogg> right 19:28:53 <mangoderosa> for sure1 19:29:15 <gwolf> #topic AOB/next meeting 19:29:36 <leogg> thank you mangoderosa! ;) 19:29:56 <gwolf> xamanu: you were saying something re:ISP? 19:29:59 <mangoderosa> ;) 19:30:03 <h01ger> mangoderosa, muchas gracias for everything and esp joining the meeting! 19:30:13 <gwolf> mangoderosa: /me joins with the thanks+welcome 19:30:16 <n0rman> so, ISIC wants to give acces to someone from DebConf, Martin Wuertele will be the guy? :) 19:30:35 <xamanu> gwolf: yes, but this was probably part of the "field report" 19:30:54 <xamanu> so i am late :( 19:30:56 <h01ger> n0rman, yes 19:30:57 <gwolf> n0rman: access as in... as an auditor? 19:31:03 <h01ger> and martin michlmayr if he asks 19:31:07 <n0rman> gwolf: to check movements 19:31:16 <h01ger> gwolf, yes, those are the debian autitors 19:31:19 <gwolf> right. Grant access to any German called Martin. 19:31:28 <h01ger> both are austrians 19:31:29 <leogg> :D 19:31:34 <n0rman> gwolf: just to check bank accounts 19:31:35 <gwolf> h01ger: you know it's the same ;-) 19:31:40 <n0rman> hehehh 19:31:46 <darst> if I can view accounting data then I can maybe clean everything up in the fall 19:31:49 <h01ger> gwolf, right. americano! 19:31:54 <moray> gwolf: I thought there was some war about that 19:31:54 <gwolf> AOB? 19:32:12 <n0rman> so, Martin, Martin again and darst? 19:32:21 <h01ger> n0rman, yes 19:32:22 <n0rman> or just MArtin1 and MArtin2? 19:32:25 <moray> Richard "Martin" Darst 19:32:26 <n0rman> ok 19:32:29 <h01ger> hehe 19:32:31 <n0rman> the three martins 19:32:39 <moray> next meeting? 19:32:39 <h01ger> stirred or shaken? 19:32:44 <gwolf> heh! 19:32:45 <n0rman> so you need to be a Martin in order to be an auditor 19:32:54 <gwolf> Next meeting... 2 more weeks? 19:32:57 <h01ger> #next meeting next week or in two weeks? 19:32:58 <leogg> yes 19:33:01 <n0rman> gwolf: it seems ok to me 19:33:03 <leogg> two weeks 19:33:07 <xamanu> two weeks 19:33:10 * h01ger is fine with 2 weeks 19:33:12 <h01ger> muy 19:33:13 <leogg> may 23 19:33:14 <h01ger> fino 19:33:15 <gwolf> #info Next meeting May23 19:33:19 <h01ger> aehm 19:33:20 <h01ger> no 19:33:26 <gwolf> ? 19:33:35 <h01ger> that day is linuxtag start. but fine. then probably without me \o/ 19:33:48 <h01ger> talked for two today anyway ;-D 19:33:53 <gwolf> We have the end-of-sponsorship deadline *six* days from now, May 15 19:33:58 * fil was just thinking that too 19:34:05 <h01ger> gwolf, i will report tomorrow and remind 19:34:14 <h01ger> and you can remind with calling for papers today, too 19:34:15 <n0rman> gwolf: will you post on your blog about CfP? 19:34:18 <fil> (linuxtag) 19:34:19 <gwolf> h01ger: I'd rather have you and fil (and have fil more active) 19:34:34 <gwolf> Can we have the meeting then on Tuesday 22? 19:34:50 <leogg> sounds good 19:35:09 <fil> sorry about inactivity -- small child very distracting indeed 19:35:20 <n0rman> h01ger: is ok 22? 19:35:25 <h01ger> with me yes 19:35:42 <h01ger> xamanu, lilix, mangoderosa, moray ? 19:35:56 <cate> ok here 19:35:57 <h01ger> OdyX, gaudenz, cate: please get involved in dc12 orga now! :-D 19:36:00 <xamanu> fine for me 19:36:04 <h01ger> cate: :-)) 19:36:07 <gwolf> #info Meeting is for May 22 (TUESDAY!) 19:36:16 <moray> h01ger: I think it should work for me, yes 19:36:17 <n0rman> yey! 19:36:18 <h01ger> 18 utc? 19:36:19 <cate> we are in meeting 19:36:24 <gwolf> 18UTC 19:36:28 <leogg> OdyX, gaudenz, cate, please do! we need tour help! :) 19:36:35 <h01ger> cate, dc13 on the 22nd or now? 19:36:39 <gwolf> Greetings to ch.* - and thanks for a 96min long meeting! 19:36:41 <gwolf> #endmeeting